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Rubyshoo

(1,959 posts)
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:42 AM Aug 2024

BREAKING: Donald Trump gets nightmare news





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BREAKING: Donald Trump gets nightmare news as the renowned Cook Political Report shifts Arizona, Georgia, and Nevada towards Kamala Harris as she gains steam.

And it gets even better…

All three of the crucial states had been considered “lean Republican” at the beginning of July when Joe Biden was still the presumptive nominee.

Now, these states are considered a “toss up” as more and more polls show Harris gaining ground.

“For the first time in a long time, Democrats are united and energized, while Republicans are on their heels. Unforced errors from both Trump and his vice presidential nominee J.D. Vance have shifted the media spotlight from Biden’s age to Trump’s liabilities,” said Cook Editor-in-Chief Amy Walter.

“In other words, the presidential contest has moved from one that was Trump’s to lose to a much more competitive contest,” she added.

“Bottom line: Things look a lot better for Democrats today than they did a few weeks ago, but Trump is looking stronger now than he did in 2020. This is a Toss Up,” she said.



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BREAKING: Donald Trump gets nightmare news (Original Post) Rubyshoo Aug 2024 OP
A waking nightmare that haunts his every minute Maeve Aug 2024 #1
The DNC is next week after the Olympics wrap up. ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2024 #2
And Harris has been advertising throughout the olympics ArkansasDemocrat1 Aug 2024 #28
Wait What, Trump is looking stronger now than he did in 2020. MagickMuffin Aug 2024 #3
I think folks need more exposure moonscape Aug 2024 #5
I'm dubious about that too EYESORE 9001 Aug 2024 #7
Biden was leading by decent margins through most of '20 ITAL Aug 2024 #8
I seriously doubt the accuracy of polls showing Trump stronger now than he was in 2020. lees1975 Aug 2024 #11
On August 8th 2020 ITAL Aug 2024 #14
Says the polls. lees1975 Aug 2024 #29
Well ITAL Aug 2024 #30
I agree. This race was never Trump's to lose. ananda Aug 2024 #27
I do, too Deminpenn Aug 2024 #16
I agree! BonnieJW Aug 2024 #19
Yeah that might be technically true at the moment but in 2 weeks - probably not. yellowcanine Aug 2024 #22
She HAD to Include That Too NonPC Aug 2024 #23
No, no, no! It's Trump is smelling stronger than in 2020. jls4561 Aug 2024 #26
Crush the Mango Monster of Mag a Lardo Blue Owl Aug 2024 #4
He's going to blow his top soon Johnny2X2X Aug 2024 #6
Come on, lay off the sick old man.......NOT!!! mitch96 Aug 2024 #24
Not really sure how he could be displacedvermoter Aug 2024 #9
Democrats have won the statewide elections in Arizona for two cycles now, in 2020 and 2022. lees1975 Aug 2024 #10
Bullshit "analysis" there at the end? awesomerwb1 Aug 2024 #12
I am going to say it over and over and over valleyrogue Aug 2024 #13
Unless someone pulls off a legal miracle, Georgia is fait accompli misanthrope Aug 2024 #15
Don't forget Utah! Blue_playwright Aug 2024 #17
How could he look stronger than in 2020? wryter2000 Aug 2024 #18
Yeah, I wanna toss up not fooled Aug 2024 #20
"Trump is looking stronger now than he did in 2020"? On what planet? ShazzieB Aug 2024 #21
Driving from Green Bay to Minneapolis, Tuesday, I saw two Trump signs tacked to fence posts. jaxexpat Aug 2024 #25

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,258 posts)
2. The DNC is next week after the Olympics wrap up.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:46 AM
Aug 2024

THAT'S going to change things even more for the Harris/Walz ticket.

MagickMuffin

(17,257 posts)
3. Wait What, Trump is looking stronger now than he did in 2020.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:49 AM
Aug 2024


I think he is weaker and getting weaker by the minute!


ITAL

(907 posts)
8. Biden was leading by decent margins through most of '20
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:57 AM
Aug 2024

So from that standpoint, Trump probably does look better on paper now than he did in August of 2020 since he's been much more competitive in polling to this point.

lees1975

(6,173 posts)
11. I seriously doubt the accuracy of polls showing Trump stronger now than he was in 2020.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 12:05 PM
Aug 2024

Paid polls, perhaps. I'm still not convinced that Biden wasn't going to win this by a fair margin. It's now looking like it is heading for a landslide.

ITAL

(907 posts)
14. On August 8th 2020
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 01:01 PM
Aug 2024

Biden led by an average of 8.8% across all polling.

Four years later Harris leads by an average of 2.1%. Trump and Biden were much closer in '24 than in '20. Now Harris is trending upwards, and in the days to come that lead is gonna grow, and she will likely approach Biden's lead. However, it's also true that Trump has polled better this go round than four years ago.

lees1975

(6,173 posts)
29. Says the polls.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 02:46 PM
Aug 2024

I'm not convinced. There's usually some precipitating event or cause that changes numbers over the course of a year. In this instance, while the media has hammered about Biden's age, that's largely a right wing argument. I'd like to know what the raw numbers were, and what led the pollsters to play follow the leader in putting the factors into play that changed the numbers.

ITAL

(907 posts)
30. Well
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 04:13 PM
Aug 2024

The factor obviously was the soft support Biden had among many Democrats and Independents this go round because of his age, or Gaza, or something else. It was definitely real.

As for four years ago, the polls actually under reported Trump's strength, as Biden had an 8.4 point lead in the national average on election day 2020, and won by 4.5 percent.

ananda

(31,043 posts)
27. I agree. This race was never Trump's to lose.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 02:41 PM
Aug 2024

That idea was manufactured by a manipulative, rightwing media
and polling that skewed to the right.

However, Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are really smokin' it.

I think it will be a decisive win!

Deminpenn

(16,372 posts)
16. I do, too
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 01:41 PM
Aug 2024

It's been my observation that 2nd acts don't play well in American politics. That they rarely do as well as they did the first time. This is Trump's 3rd act. He's not going to get more votes than he did in 2020.

BonnieJW

(2,636 posts)
19. I agree!
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 02:07 PM
Aug 2024

I was surprised to read that too. I think people are running away from him. They aren't even showing up. The contrast between his bitching and normal Americans is stark. He doesn't know how to pivot and wouldn't even if he could.

yellowcanine

(36,353 posts)
22. Yeah that might be technically true at the moment but in 2 weeks - probably not.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 02:30 PM
Aug 2024

A statement like that completely ignores the trend lines which are all going against Trump.

NonPC

(405 posts)
23. She HAD to Include That Too
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 02:32 PM
Aug 2024

The press just can't help themselves. Look at the interviews yesterday (?) on CBS with AOC and CNN with Al Franken. These hacks are desperate to get a new stupid line of crap started.

Johnny2X2X

(21,968 posts)
6. He's going to blow his top soon
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:51 AM
Aug 2024

He's due for a total meltdown where he just completely loses it.

displacedvermoter

(3,370 posts)
9. Not really sure how he could be
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 12:00 PM
Aug 2024

"looking stronger now than he did in 2020" when he had not been convicted of multiple felonies, not been proved to be a rapist, not been proven to be a business cheat owing $500 million in penalties, and not just selected the worst vice president candidate ever (yes, I am giving him that title).

He also has Bob Kennedy in the race who looks to take a percentage of his craziest supporters.

I don't see it.

lees1975

(6,173 posts)
10. Democrats have won the statewide elections in Arizona for two cycles now, in 2020 and 2022.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 12:04 PM
Aug 2024

I'd say the Cook report leans Republican in its evaluation. Trump's hand picked and endorsed candidate for Governor of Arizona lost in 2022, and she's now fairly far behind in the Senate race. I wouldn't have started Arizona out as leaning anything, it should have been, at very least, a toss up.

Nevada is an enigma. A difference in 10% turnout between 2020 and 2022 cost their governor, but the Democratic senator survived. I read that their current governor has a 35% approval rating. It's fertile ground for Democrats to win, by 2-3%. And while Georgia does have Republicans in the governor's mansion and in statewide office, they're not Trumpie Republicans. If I were betting, I'd say that the population growth there from the Northeast, and a good turnout in Atlanta and the collar counties gets Harris its 16 electoral votes.

valleyrogue

(1,267 posts)
13. I am going to say it over and over and over
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 12:27 PM
Aug 2024

it isn't because of Harris being the de facto nominee is why the trend. It was trending that way anyway.

The issue has always been about Trump. Trump was NEVER going to get another term as he is a known quantity. It would be much different if there had been a different GOP ticket. Abortion is also going to weigh heavily in the election no matter who the Democratic nominee would be.

All Harris and Walz have to do is retain the same states Biden won and would have won anyway, and the election will be over. The Dobbs decision fallout is the huge wildcard in here this time around.

misanthrope

(8,311 posts)
15. Unless someone pulls off a legal miracle, Georgia is fait accompli
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 01:19 PM
Aug 2024

Yesterday's news that the MAGA-infested Georgia election board now has discretion for Trump-friendly hijinks casts a long shadow across Peach State voting outcomes.

Blue_playwright

(1,577 posts)
17. Don't forget Utah!
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 01:55 PM
Aug 2024

It's not a lot in the electoral college, but the Mormons are talking about endorsing Harris/Walz because Trump is so horrific they just can't do it. That gets the W in Utah and also hits other states that have larger Mormon populations.

wryter2000

(47,640 posts)
18. How could he look stronger than in 2020?
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 02:05 PM
Aug 2024

He was the incumbent president. I don’t buy this toss up crap. Next week they’ll be telling us the bloom is off the Dem rose. They are so full of it.

ShazzieB

(19,063 posts)
21. "Trump is looking stronger now than he did in 2020"? On what planet?
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 02:25 PM
Aug 2024
“Bottom line: Things look a lot better for Democrats today than they did a few weeks ago, but Trump is looking stronger now than he did in 2020. This is a Toss Up,” she [Cook Editor-in-Chief Amy Walter] said.


I really have to question this assertion. I mean, where was Walter in 2020? I seem to remember things quite differently! Sounds like "both sider" gaslighting to me.
 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
25. Driving from Green Bay to Minneapolis, Tuesday, I saw two Trump signs tacked to fence posts.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 02:37 PM
Aug 2024

Smallish, 12" x12", paper. Neither looked to be newly installed. Saw no other political signage of any stripe. Wisconsin has had hell to pay with its share of Republican mis-guidance over the last decades. Voters in the rural areas of Wisconsin and the rest of the country will hopefully lose their misappropriated enthusiasm for Republican disruption this season. They've surely seen no benefit from it. The clown show may fail to draw a second crowd after disappointing the first. Even the most unsophisticated rubes eventually catch on to having their good natured hospitality abused.

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