As a Bernie guy

[TheSocialDem]

This is basically a Bernie ticket. Finally Dems are embracing common sense, poll tested, majority of American opinion positions on things. And not compromising just because the gop calls it radical.

We will win and we will deliver for the doubters. And it will be awesome

Edit:
Biden governed as a progressive, and I love that. But it’s taken far too long for the mainstream democratic establishment to embrace this level of progressivism, especially campaigning on it. And it couldn’t come soon enough.

[emulatorloo]

1. This is a Biden ticket n/t

[JohnSJ]

89. Thank-you.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

103. I agree

[Bev54]

2. This is not a Bernie ticket.

[BrianTheEVGuy]

42. Agreed but...

...if the Bernie folks think otherwise, I'm happy to accept their perspective. 😊

[Hekate]

3. This is part 2 of Joe Biden's effort to Save the Soul of America. He passed the torch during a terrific...

…term of Progressive achievements. Harris-Walz will carry it forward in their own way — but Biden laid the groundwork.

[TheSocialDem]

4. He did. Biden was hugely progressive

And I love that. I just love that we are finally unapologetically standing and campaigning on our progressive policies

[Hekate]

9. Biden is a Democrat from birth, and his lifetime in the Senate taught him the Art of the Possible

This is what he is doing now.

[obamanut2012]

82. Then you know nothing about Kamala Harris

Or Joe Biden.

This is not a Bernie ticket.

[lapucelle]

139. President Biden is a Democrat who knows how to get things done,

as is Kamala Harris. Their concrete policy and legislative achievements have made life better for millions of Americans.

[LizBeth]

5. It is a democratic ticket and y'll can't quit trying to take ownership

[TheSocialDem]

6. lol who's "y'all "

[JI7]

31. Yup

[obamanut2012]

84. correct

[TomSlick]

7. The ticket should be appealing to Bernie people but it is a Democratic ticket.

[TheSocialDem]

8. Agreed!

[sheshe2]

10. I beg to differ.

This is a Harris ticket, period. She is the second woman and only black woman to have become the Democratic candidate for President. I see no need to take that away from her and attach a man’s name to her success. She is her own woman and as the saying goes, “to thine own self be true”, she will.

Her success is a win for women and young girls everywhere. Do you have any idea what this means to us?

[betsuni]

40. Ironic, the dismissive "identity politics" "I'm a woman, vote for me" thing.

We remember.

[sheshe2]

57. Exactly, betsuni.

Yes, we remember.

[LizBeth]

60. Yep

[LymphocyteLover]

211. What? You don't understand the significance of he first woman president?

[betsuni]

217. Don't understand what you mean.

[LymphocyteLover]

279. And I didn't understand your comment that I replied to

[betsuni]

281. Belief that Democrats ignored the white working class and had no economic plans, only identity politics

which is a distraction from the most important thing, economic class, the last time a woman was the Democratic nominee for president.

Now directed at Harris:: "I think she has to start talking about issues of relevance to the working class of this country ,..." but without the "identity politics" mention because it's not popular anymore.

No Democrats run on gender/race identity and ignore economics, the whole point of the Democratic Party is improving the lives of working/middle class people as it has always done. Trump made the election about identity in 2016 and he'll do it this time too. The white working class did not vote for Trump because of "economic anxiety" caused by Democrats ignoring them. That was never real.

The "struggle" that did not exist:

"But it's not good enough to say, 'Hey, I'm a Latina, vote for me.' ... It's not good enough for me to say, 'Okay, we have x number of African Americans over here, y number of Latinos, z number of women. ... It is not good enough to for someone to say, 'I'm a woman, vote for me!' No, that's not good enough. What we need is a woman who has the guts to stand up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industry. One of the struggles you're going to be seeing in the Democratic Party is whether we go beyond identity politics."

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/21/13699956/sanders-clinton-democratic-party

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/23/13715164/bernie-sanders-identity-politics--democrats-progressives

[LymphocyteLover]

282. Oh OK, thanks. I don't disagree with any of that

[mcar]

67. Love this photo!

[sheshe2]

71. 💙

[LakeArenal]

88. Today Biden is president. It's his administration.

The new ticket is the HARRIS-Walz ticket.

She’s her own ticket. Not Biden or Bernie’s.

She’s going to win in a landslide and she going to have the Harris Presidency and the Harris Administration. Much of it may overlap and continue the Biden Administration but some of it won’t.

But it will be her brain not anybody else’s.

[LizBeth]

102. Perfect!

[Justice matters.]

251. She will have her team (Tim will be in it, of course).

May be not much different than the actual Joe Biden's team, which is helping.

[LakeArenal]

269. Walz is his own candidate. He's different than any candidate to date.

No. This new presidency will be different than Biden’s. Each one is.

[LizBeth]

272. I think so too. And every VP should or does follow the Pres. Harris will implement her own.

[asuhornets]

213. Thank You..n/t

[LexVegas]

11. ....

[sheshe2]

12. ...

[TheSocialDem]

13. I bet you were one of the people losing it about people

Pushing Biden to pass the torch

[Cha]

15. IKR!

[Cha]

14. NO WAY.. As Others have posted on the Thread

this is a President Biden VP Harris Ticket.. and Now Gov Walz has joined.

[Demsrule86]

16. What doubters...folks on this forum have been happy with the conduct of our candidates. And it is not

like Sen Sanders run. I wouldn't say I like to discuss that campaign in that every bit of trouble that we have today...is because Hillary Clinton lost in 16. And it should never have happened. We have decades of consequences for Trump winning in 16. Anyone that didn't vote for our nominee in the General has much to answer for...And can I say I hate fucking Greens and Jill Stein? Green...'get republicans elected every November

[Skittles]

17. NOPE

NOT EVEN CLOSE

[oasis]

18. Not!

[murielm99]

19. No. Not one bit.

[betsuni]

20. No. KH: "We will continue to fight for affordable housing, affordable health care, affordable child care, paid leave."

Supporting unions and workers, fighting climate change, raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy, making people's lives better are usual Democratic policies.

It's a myth that FDR/LBJ were democratic socialists and the party shifted Right, has same economic policies as Republicans is wrong, no evidence. Democrats did not think universal health care was "radical." Myth that Democrats ignore working/middle class is wrong, no evidence. Myth that the majority of Americans are secretly populist democratic socialists is wrong, no evidence. Myth that anything progressive was introduced and new in 2015/16 is wrong.

"And not compromising just because the top calls it radical." What's that supposed to mean? Examples? Compromise is necessary if a bill can't get passed without it. Democrats do not have very large majorities in Congress. Rare to get any Republican votes on anything, yet Democrats always get the blame.

"Establishment." Who is the establishment? Not campaigning on progressive policies? Democrats have always campaigned on their usual policies. Obama, Clinton, Biden, Harris -- who didn't campaign on the usual policies?

Nope. Classic Democrat. No revolutions anywhere. The myths and revisionist history that hurt Democrats -- stop.

[Cha]

22. Amen Sister!

[betsuni]

33. It's so annoying, which is obviously the point. We're supposed to get real mad.

[Cha]

35. Yeah, didn't read the temperature of the Room!

This is Kamala's Time to Shine.. and Pres Joe Biden has a big part in that.. as her mentor the last 4 years and Stepping aside and letting her have the Spotlight.

How many others would do that?

[LakeArenal]

110. Feels a bit like arguing the last primaries.

Past history is just that.

Creating history is what’s happening now.

[TheSocialDem]

24. This is the most progressive ticket of my lifetime

If you won’t acknowledge that you’re kidding yourself

[betsuni]

27. 2008, 2016, 2020, 2024 -- all the most progressive party platform in history.

Nothing to do with populists. Usual Democratic policies that gain more support. ACA became popular and Americans stopped being so worried about government involvement in health care. In future there will be ACA with a public option, as there was in the House version passed in Obama's first two years.

[Cha]

37. Yeah, Pres Joe Biden and VP Harris are Progressives who GET IT DONE.

[mcar]

69. And, they are solid Democrats!

[Cha]

104. Yes Democrats who Make Super Important Progress!

[Zoomie1986]

181. LBJ/Humphrey and McGovern/Shriver

That you don't know how liberal they were is your failing, not history's.

You can say whatever nonsense you want about LBJ's foreign policy, but you have no leg whatsoever to stand on when it comes to what he not only stood for, but achieved, in the domestic arena that was as or more liberal than your precious Sanders ever dreamed of. LBJ/Humphrey got us Medicare, Medicaid, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Clean Air and Water Acts, college financial aid for the poor and middle class, NPR/PBS, Head Start, wildlife protection, removing racist immigration quotas, support for the arts and humanities, and more, so much more--

IN FIVE SHORT YEARS.

Name any other liberal who has fought for so much that helps ordinary Americans, especially the poor, and made it happen.

And did all of it IN FIVE SHORT YEARS.

I'll wait.

[edisdead]

21. Even here people just have to put a man in the spotlight

what the ever loving mother fuck?

[TheSocialDem]

23. Lmao you're trying way too hard to find sexism

[Skittles]

26. no

not really

newsflash: BS is not the only liberal around, not by a long shot

[Cha]

32. You're the one who tried to take it away from VP Harris and it's

Not working.

[edisdead]

54. No I'm not.

I really am not.

[LizBeth]

62. Maybe you just ignore it too easily.

[mcar]

70. Lmao, keep digging

[obamanut2012]

85. This is sexism -- it is a Harris ticket, not Bernie ticket

[Zoomie1986]

182. Not all that hard

WIth the guy who wrote about women enjoying rape and told a young Latina that it wasn't enough to be that for office. Or when he ranted like a moronic madman about identity politics. You know what that's code for, what women and minorities hear when old white men say that?

'We know what's best for you women and minorities, so sit down, shut up, and let us run things because you're too silly and ignorant and emotional to do it.'

Because that's exactly what that idiocy about 'identity politics' is all about.

That's why women and minorities ran away from Sanders in droves. We've been dealing with condescending, paternalistic attitudes like that all of our damned lives.

[LizBeth]

219. Right? Have to work really hard not to see. Hand in the face to shut up and if

really bothersome a shove or if the woman is being reverent she gets a pat on the head. But why am I surprised a man would not see this. You can bet the women do. I am assuming the OP is a man though.

[Skittles]

25. it's a......load of BS

YES INDEED

[Cha]

28. , Mahalo!

[LizBeth]

61. Has he acknowledge Harris stands with working class and not just the old white men like Biden

and Walz and that the union leader says she was on picket line before fashionable?

[JI7]

29. No it's not

[elleng]

30. and any who fail to recognize the close relations between a Bernie ticket and a Biden ticket are

just plain foolish.

On to Lawrence and The West Wing.

[Cha]

34. Who are you calling "Foolish".?. This is VP Harris' and Gov Walz' "TICKET".

And, President Joe Biden's for the last 4 years.

[elleng]

36. 'And finally Dems are embracing common sense,'

[Cha]

38. No Dems have had it All Along! Too bad you had to go for

the personal Insult.. that never goes over well.

[elleng]

39. Sorry, personal insult not intended,

but a few have, over the years, failed to recognize the close relationship between Bernie and Biden priorities.

[Cha]

41. So? maybe we just don't

like him. We don't have to like everyone or their methods.. as you can tell by this thread.

[edisdead]

150. Dems have always had common sense.

We have ALWAYS had policies that made the mose sense for the most Americans.

What kind of talk is this?

[betsuni]

43. What exactly is the Bernie ticket?

I know Medicare for All with no private insurance, cancel all student loan debt, but otherwise? What concrete policies of Bernie's has Biden adopted?

Lower Pharma prices, dental, vision Medicare coverage are Democratic policies. Higher minimum wage but not enough votes for it nationally (the Fight for Fifteen movement started in 2012 and gained momentum in the country, Bernie adopted their number). Medicare for All has been around for decades. Green New Deal was something Obama ran on, name was coined by Thomas Friedman. Union support, regulating industry, paid leave, worker's rights. Nothing new. It's just not all or nothing because Democrats don't have large enough majorities in Congress to pass things. I don't understand. Legislature must be passed before anything happens, that's politics, that's the job.

[Oopsie Daisy]

53. Haven't you heard? All this and more can magically come to life "with the stroke of a pen."

[betsuni]

120. Or the magic bully pulpit.

Just give a passionate speech and everyone will see you are right and do everything you want, even the most radical unhinged Republicans. The People will rally, an alliance of Left and Right against the 1% oligarchs and billionaires. The Revolution begins. It is easy.

[sheshe2]

59. ...something...something...The Establishment!

It's amazing just how much we WERE able to get through under Obama Biden and then Biden Harris with razor thin majorities. Truly amazing.

[Oopsie Daisy]

68. LOL! I saw that, too. The usual BS, gaslighting and buzz-words.

Noticeably absent was "oligarch" --- but I guess for such a short and backhanded smear of Democrats and the Democratic party, there just wasn't time, or room.

[sheshe2]

72. Ah, yes, oligarch.

🤔

[betsuni]

123. "Status quo" too. Thankfully the buzz-words are disappearing. But "establishment" as an insult lasts forever.

[Oopsie Daisy]

261. And "rigged". And sadly, that's a word (and a lie) that continues to be used.

[edisdead]

151. None of that are even his ideas

Dems had the universal healthcare plan LONG before he was campaigning on itl. I like Bernie don't get me wrong, but the people that act like he was the grandfather of these ideas are wacked out of their heads. Also, it is easy to sit and cheer for these ideas when you know there is no path to them getting passed.

[betsuni]

157. As if health care as a human right, not a privilege was a new idea -- Ted Kennedy said exactly that since the '70s

in fiery speeches and dedicated his whole career to the cause. Got a lot done, because that's the point.

Clinton administration tried for universal health care and Hillary was integral to the creation of the Children's Health Care Insurance Program (CHIP), and then there was Obama's ACA. Medicare for All goes back to the '50s I think. Republican senator Javis proposed a plan in 1970, John Dingell and then his son, John Conyers introduced a Medicare for All Act in 2003 and I believe every year until his death. Absurd to think Medicare for All was a new idea.

It only takes a few minutes to look these things up. Instead, supporters heard: "When we said that health care is a human right, we were told that it was a radical idea that the American people wouldn't accept" and believed it. The whole long history of the Democratic Party's fight for universal health care was erased.

[sheshe2]

215. Preach. Teach.

Facts matter.

Brava Bella!

[Zoomie1986]

186. Ted Kennedy spent most of his Senate career

Fighting for a public health option. I know he was all for it in the 70s, and it was a major plank of his 1980 Presidential run.

[Zoomie1986]

185. Better yet, what has he DONE to accomplish any of it?

Because his legislative record is quite thin on the ground.

[betsuni]

214. And policy plans have to work to accomplish progress, not just be slogans.

In 2011 Vermont tried a Medicare for All plan but it failed, an ACA type plan was a big success in Massachusetts so could be implemented nationally despite Republicans doing all they could to kill it. Not so easy to come up with a national plan that will work, and making a slogan a purity test of being allowed to call oneself "progressive" serves no positive purpose.

Hillary Clinton wanted to campaign on a basic income dividend plan based on what Alaska had. Was going to call it "Alaska for America." But they couldn't make the numbers work to do it nationally. Hillary wanted a universal basic income. Her progressive plans and history were entirely erased and replaced with a ridiculous caricature.

[LiberaBlueDem]

44. Yes

Bernie is happy tonight. The Dems are doing what he would be doing.

[LizBeth]

63. What do you mean? I have yet to see the man do anything yet and we have been

waiting since at least 2014....

[sheshe2]

73. IKR?

...scratching my head here🤔

[LizBeth]

74. It just reminds me so much of men are the protectors. They do not do shit...

women responsible for the kids managing house, daily cooking cleaning managing and the man is provider and protector. That is his job, even thought 75% of the women are working too. but on the protector....

62 yrs never had a man protect me and when I did need "protecting" not a man to be seen. Even married wasn't around hubby majority of day so no ",protecting" there. And when out and about and a girl or woman needs that protecting inevitably it is a woman that comes to the sisters aid while the men stand around and watch cause "bro code". YET.....

They wear this hero cape of being protectors when almost ALL of them have not done shit all their life but puff out chest saying they are protectors.

Sanders has not done shit and in this thread h is being given ownership of ALL Dems accomplished when comparing up to Pelosi who actually got ALL this done is totally ignored.

How does one stay quiet with the ridiculous.

[Zoomie1986]

187. LIE

Because they're doing what Democrats have always done.

BS hasn't had one original idea in his entire career about health care or helping the working class, or anything else. Democrats were fighting for those things DECADES before he started peddling it on the national stage.

[LiberaBlueDem]

212. Bernie has been a real leader

It is bad that he isn't the president

[sheshe2]

216. No.

[LizBeth]

220. Ha hahahaha, you have to work real hard ignoring all the information being provided for you

just one this thread to make your statement.

[LiberaBlueDem]

231. No, seriously

Bernie would be a great President

[LizBeth]

236. No seriously, he would not and the people have spoken two runs. Seriously.

He has not accomplished a single damn thing for you to state it for a fact is hollow.

[Cha]

45. We Dems are Happy because of Pres Joe Biden's

Last 4 years and Now he's stepped Aside for VP Kamala Harris who has no doubt gained so much Experience as his Vice President.

How many others would do this? We Are Here Because Joe & Kamala Won in 2020. it was them... they did it and 81 Million voters.

So Grateful Joe Biden & Kamala Harris Won 2020. I was for Biden from the very beginning.. his Launch Video, The Soul of Nation, Spoke to so many Americans

[pat_k]

46. Yes. Unapologetically advocate for heartfelt values.

That reaches people.

No more triangulating that which we perceive as "doable."

Step 1: Build political will for Big Goals
Step 2: Get down to the hard work of hammering out legislation that moves the ball.

For too long we've forgotten about Step 1 and jumped right to advocating half measures that completely fail to energize.

Kamala and Waltz are focused on the bold vision. We must be laser focused on that vision. That's the only way we'll have a snowball's chance of getting there.

------
Added on edit:

And the answer to their knee jerk "whose gonna pay for this?"

One obvious message of American history is that when we have the political will, a way is found. Don't tell us that America isn't strong enough to provide the kind of safety nets so many countries do as a matter of course. Will it be easy. No way. Is it doable. Yes, way.

It is only those who have no confidence in the real power of the American people who are out there proclaiming "Can't be done!" "Too expensive" or "If the wealthiest pay their fair share they will close shop."

Let's get back to that American Can Do spirit!

[betsuni]

47. "No more triangulating that which we perceive as 'doable.'"

What do you mean? When Republicans control Congress? President Clinton, Obama, Biden had two years controlling Congress and then Republicans did the rest of their administrations.

[Oopsie Daisy]

117. "Triangulating" ... there's yet another popular anti-Democratic party buzzword.

[scipan]

133. Coined by Bill Clinton IIRC

[Oopsie Daisy]

136. I don't know... But it's meaning today is clear.

Isn't it?

[betsuni]

166. "In the end, as their representatives in Washington should have known all along, even those voters

who revered Ronald Reagan, and cheered on contract-signing candidates in principle, were not ready, when they learned that free markets would leave them with sole responsibility for their own fate, to give up their Social Security and Medicare, their public schools, and their government-backed air, water, and earth protections. As important, Bill Clinton's legendary ability to 'triangulate' -- taking on as his own some of the goals they proposed while drawing the line against such extreme measures as a balanced budget amendment -- took the steam out of the House GOP's sails. To be repeatedly outwitted by Clinton, a president the radical right had spent much effort and untold treasure trying to undermine, made the sting of defeat all the more sharp."

From Nancy MacLean's "Democracy in Chains"

It's called politics, dealing with the situation you're in when Republicans control Congress, not a purist fantasy.

[Ninga]

277. Exactly!

[pat_k]

145. We can talk about our values and goals.

For the past 3 decades, the chorus of "Roe will never be overturned" did not stop advocacy among the anti-abortionists. They kept pushing and pushing, building political will wherever they could find an inroad.

On our side, when we think something is currently beyond reach, we too often shut up and stop talking about the possibilities. We would do better if we learned to never lose sight of the real goals, and talk about them unapologetically, as we find ways to build the political will.

[LizBeth]

161. Bullshit, if you remember 2016 that was a HUGE issue in the campaign and many many many of us

women were begging the Sander mle supports that if they did not stop and HRC did not win Trump would put judges in and do just THAT! They literally scoffed at us, told us there were more important things. Ironic this is the one you chose. NEVER forget, clearly Sanders supports easily and conveniently forget.

[lapucelle]

140. Democrats have a generations-long record of building the will to achieve big goals.

And Democrats have a generations-long record of doing the hard work.

There have always been plenty of folks who moan "Somebody should do something!"

And there have always been Democrats who do it.

[Zoomie1986]

188. What ahistorical silliness

BS is just that. He hasn't come up with one thing that Democrats haven't supported and fought for, for decades now.

[Think. Again.]

48. It IS great to see the Democratic party coalescing around a very progressive future!

And I agree with you, for too long there has been resistance to the principles that make the Democratic party the opposition of the republican party.

Yes, there are remnants of Dems still determined to refute that the Democratic party's rightful place is firmly and proudly on the Left, but hopefully that resistance will fade as more and more evidence shows how this Progressive ticket is the future the American people have been calling for all along.

[TheSocialDem]

148. Well said. This is exactly my sentiment in this post

And I couldn’t be happier about the Harris Walz ticket we have rn

[LizBeth]

163. Obama started it with ACA and has been step by step to get to this point. We GOT here because of

what Dems have been doing and saying for the last decade and half, along with Sanders and Warren and AOC and so many more, including HRC in 2016 but it was a progression and a lot of yrs to get right here, right now. It did not just "manifest" itself this election cycle. Covid had a huge effect, especially what they did fighting for people and UI.

[Think. Again.]

164. You seemed to have misunderstood my post...

...I was directly speaking of the recent strength of unity within the party that Harris' candidacy has brought us.

[LizBeth]

221. I did not misunderstand, you totally missed my counter.

[Think. Again.]

224. I believe you're right, to me, your counter seems completely unrelated to my post.

[LizBeth]

228. Yes, I get that you think it does.

[Zoomie1986]

190. No, LBJ started it with Medicare/Medicaid

Clinton filled in the other end of the age brackets with CHIP.

And Obama continued that legacy by expanding it into the middle age brackets with the ACA.

The Democrats have going on 6 decades of using the power of the federal government to provide health care to Americans.

[LizBeth]

229. Yes... you are right. Thank you for the reminder. The more posting in this thread,

the more I remember going back further and further. Thank you for clarifying thru out this thread.

[Oopsie Daisy]

173. B...S...!

>> for too long there has been resistance to the principles that make the Democratic party the opposition of the republican party.
Total bullshit. This is just another way of shitting on Democrats and the Democratic party by suggesting that Democrats don't want to fight, or that Democrats are morphing into Republicans. Nonsense. Offensive.

>>Yes, there are remnants of Dems still determined to refute that the Democratic party's rightful place is firmly and proudly on the Left
Who? Which "remnants" of Democrats do you feel are holding the party back and preventing it from assuming its "rightful place"? Which Democrats have been weak, cowardly or ashamed? Please enlighten us.

This is just another example of backhanded "compliments" that are really meant to insult the loyal and hard-working Democrats. Our party leaders, our candidates, our voters, our donors, our volunteers do not deserve to be slapped in the face with these less-than-subtle insinuations that Democrats have been lazy, cowardly, reticent, fearful, wavering, weak.

That's nonsense and everyone knows it!

[Think. Again.]

174. You've added quite a bit of your own thoughts into my posts...

...please don't add things I didn't say (or mean) into my posts.

Perhaps you could write your own posts with those sentiments, because I don't agree with them.

[Oopsie Daisy]

178. I know how to decipher passive aggressive ambiguity.

I'm not deceived.

[Think. Again.]

191. Wow.

[Oopsie Daisy]

218. Yeah. I know. Right?

[Zoomie1986]

189. Good grief

Seriously?

You don't know the Democratic party at all if you think any of this aligns with reality.

[Think. Again.]

192. Just my impressions from being a lifelong Democrat.

Of course, not everyone is willing to face some realities.

[Passages]

49. Not at all.

No Medicare for All among other policies and foreign policy is also different.

[Emile]

50. It's not a moderate ticket!

[Think. Again.]

51. That's for sure!

[Oopsie Daisy]

52. Please. 🙄 No it's not. It's quite the insult to use phrases like *

It's quite the insult to use phrases like "finally Dems are embracing common sense"... which clearly indicates a belief (a false one) that Democrats lacked "common sense" up until now.

Compromise is part of politics. That's how things get done. Give a little, get a little. Finding common ground. Yet to read your post, it's written with the insinuation that Democrats shrink in fear and "compromise" because the Republicans label something as "radical." Nothing could be further from the truth.

This idea that compromise is a bad thing or a sign of weakness is false, and anyone who uses it as a cudgel to insult and attack Democrats and the Democratic party do not live in the real world and believe that only by being stubborn enough (ie: no compromise ever) will the important goals be met. This is simply not true.

[LizBeth]

64. Sanders has yet to do anything and here he is getting credit for Biden adm, Harris/Walz ticket.

Blows the mind.

[Zoomie1986]

184. Well, that's sort of his career in a nutshell

His entire record is that of a lifelong back bencher.

[LizBeth]

230. Isn't it though... I mean. !!! Right? Geez. Lol

[betsuni]

128. Purity test: compromise and incrementalism is immoral. But that's how government works.

A cheap 'n' easy insult that the Democratic Party is morally bankrupt and corrupt because they are doing the job they were elected to do.

[TheSocialDem]

149. That's not how campaigning needs to work.

Compromise comes at the end, after you’ve pushed for the grander ideals, campaigned on them. I’m excited to see this ticket fully embracing our core ideals instead of compromising early, then needing to compromise further when we try to pass legislation.

[betsuni]

154. Nobody is campaigning on compromise.

Campaigning on grand impossible populist promises only works on Trump voters or third party voters.

Lots of whining for a very long time about student debt relief and Biden only campaigned on cancelling $10,000. Did whiners care why Biden had trouble with his plan? No, Daddy broke his promise. Democrats don't make grand impossible populist promises they know can't happen, very bad idea. The Biden motto: don't promise what you can't deliver.

[TheSocialDem]

155. Genuinely disagree, don't campaign on

Only what you think you can get done, campaign on how you this this country should be, what makes sense.

And then call out why those popular policies were railroaded

[TheSocialDem]

156. That campaign goal, got him votes..

People are more apt to vote for something, it’s out of his hands what he can actually get done, but they are voting for someone who’s trying to do what they said they are wanting to do.

Ridiculous to suggest you should anticipate all the opposition and republicans blocking what you want to do, especially in campaigning. What a boring campaign that would be. Inspiring to none

[betsuni]

159. Who was anticipating Republican actions? Republicans are a radical anti-bipartisan 100% obstructionist party.

Nobody can hope for more than maybe a few votes at most. No Democrat expects any Republican votes for anything. The only way to pass anything is to have enough Democratic votes and then have to compromise with a Joe Lieberman or Joe Machin when the senate is 50-50 or they need 60 filibuster proof votes. Republicans do not compromise. Democrats know this of course.

[LizBeth]

162. Build the wall and Mexico will pay. Yes, we have seen it. No I do not want that politician.

[elocs]

55. I am NOT a Bernie guy. Never was, never will be. I am proud to be a DEMOCRAT!

It was Bernie and his BoBs who helped to give us Trump in '16 with his finally endorsing Hillary and then damning her with faint praise to the NPR story where up to 12% of his BoBs actually voted for Trump in order to teach the Democratic Party a lesson for not nominating Bernie.
How did that work out for America?

[LizBeth]

65. And when "campaigning" for Harris called Dems out saying we historically

turn our back on working class, oh except Joe, and now old white man Walz. (I am same age as Walz but old white men seem the only ones able to do what Sanders thinks people ought to do, not that he is actually doing anything).

Seems to step in as a spoiler when it is not a Biden on the ticket.

[Oopsie Daisy]

76. That was infuriating! Why would Bernie insult Democrats with such an outrageous lie?

What was he thinking by saying that the Democrats "historically" turn our backs on the working class?? Good lord!

[LizBeth]

80. Right and worse was people defending that as campaigning for Harris.

[betsuni]

131. The foundation of the ideology is that Democrats turned their backs on unions and the working class

in favor of Wall Street, corporations, wealthy donors (hanging out in swanky wine caves nibbling canapés while coming up with new ways to ignore the working class). Over and over and over and over we hear: out-of-touch Democrats ignore the working class, have shifted to the Right for the last 30 years, same economic policies (neoliberal) as Republicans..This is why for believers of the ideology it's inconceivable that Democrats would ever have progressive polices, has to be because they were pulled/pushed to the Left by others who then take credit. Trump voters aren't racist, just suffering from the economic anxiety the mean old status quo establishment elite Democrats caused, what with all the ignoring.

"I think the more accurate answer as to why Trump has won working-class support [than that Trump made the election about anti-immigration, white identity, white grievances and victimhood] lies in the pain, desperation, and political alienation that millions of working-class Americans now experience and the degree to which the Democratic Party has abandoned them for wealthy campaign contributors and the 'beautiful people.'"

From "It's OK to Be Angry About Capitalism"

[LetMyPeopleVote]

108. I was a delegate to the 2016 National Convention and saw first-hand what happened in 2016

Normally going to a national convention is a once in a lifetime experience. I had worked really hard inside the party on campaigns and voter protection issues for a very long time to be in the position to run for and be elected as delegate. Too bad that Sanders and his vetted delegates ruined that experience and did their best to help TFG. A candidate has absolute approval rights over their pledged delegates because these delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the candidate and campaign. I helped vet Clinton delegates and I know that I was vetted. The Clinton campaign told us that we represent her and that our actions would reflect on her and her campaign.

In contrast, Sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the Sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis., Elijah Cummings and Stacy Abrams. I was warned about each of these stunts 30 minutes before it happened by my Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, Sanders was asked to stop this event and declined.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of Sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to Sanders.

Sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that Sanders talked about was himself. Sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally, a group of Sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. My daughter was my guest and she got to attend the first night and see Michelle Obama. Again, Sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and Sanders refused.

I am looking forward to watching the next Democratic Convention from home. It looks like there will not be the controversy and problems that I saw.

[LizBeth]

112. Sing it brother.... you betcha.

[Oopsie Daisy]

116. Well, this certainly explains a lot. The disrespect for John Lewis, Elijah Cummings & Stacy Abrams *

* that type of behavior is disgusting and beyond contempt. Truly horrid.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

119. The Clinton delegates knew that these stunts were coming and that Sanders refused to stop these stunts

The week before the Convention, the Clinton delegates were warned to be prepared for several floor votes the first day of the convention and there was a "whipping infrastructure" in place with each Clinton delegate being assigned a whip. My whip kept us informed about the planned booing of John Lewis and others. These were planned and coordinated stunts that were designed to hurt Clinton and the convention. Sanders was asked to stop these stunts and he refused.

I did get to hear John Lewis tell his "preaching to chickens" story at an event where he spoke with Kareem and Keith Ellison.

The concept that Sanders deserves credit for the Harris-Walz ticket is wrong.

[LizBeth]

122. Never forget. So to say today is because of Sanders can well be seen as salt in the wound.

[betsuni]

158. The fart-in planned for the convention!

[Zoomie1986]

193. It was well known that many of the bro contingent

Were blatant racists and misogynists. They didn't hide it.

[LizBeth]

222. Yes and all the while we were and are still gaslighted because we clearly saw

and have given example after example in this very thread. And a whole lot more can be provided.

[Skittles]

146. THANK YOU

you get it

[Doc Sportello]

56. Sooo predictable

The majority of responses here would be funny if they weren't so sad and destructive to unity. Fact is, Biden tacked left to where Sanders and Elizabeth Warren wanted to go and the country is better off for it. But instead of giving credit, we get an all too expected response of noooo can't be Bernie was right. Or Warren for that matter, who deserves a lot of credit for many of the policies Biden has followed. Repeating 2016 isn't just for the media.

[Zoomie1986]

194. Because it wasn't over Sanders

Biden went where the party had been since FDR, and Sanders had F all to do with that.

That's what you don't get.

[Nanjeanne]

58. OMG you used the Bernie word. Very brave.

It would be lovely to have a discussion about how the focus on many of the same policies and plans are a continuation of core Democratic principles but the messaging and boldness has moved more to the XXX and how exciting it is to see the embrace of big ideas instead of incremental changes — but that isn’t going to happen.

Thanks for trying though.

[yardwork]

77. That's not what the OP said, though.

Biden's administration rolled out lots of progressive big ideas, many of which he managed to get through a divided Congress, and others which he persevered for work-arounds. Biden's administration is the most progressive since the 60s, and it's remarkable what he accomplished in this environment.

To give credit for this to Bernie Sanders is absurd, frankly.

[sheshe2]

244. You can't spell progressive without progress.

Nor can you call yourself progressive without making progress. The Biden administration did just that and they did it with razor thin margins. Take the infrastructure bill for example, one of the most progressive pieces of legislation that has helped states across America.

The Biden administration didn’t just talk the talk, they walked the walk.

[Cha]

109. The OP said it was a "Bernie TICKET" which is not

true.

It is No such Thing.

Pres Biden Worked For this With VP Harris and Now it's Harris Walz.

[mcar]

66. It's a Harris-Walz ticket

inspired by the tremendous accomplishments of Biden-Harris.

Bernie had nothing to do with it.

[Oopsie Daisy]

75. Why do people keep doing this? This isn't the first "let's-give-Bernie-credit" sentiment *

* that I've seen on the internet. WHY? What's the objective? What do these "but-but-but-whatabout-Bernieeee" messages intend to accomplish?

Except for his remaining time in the Senate, his political career is over. When he leaves the Senate, that's it... done... finished. He won't run for president again, and it's highly doubtful that he'll run again for Senate (we'll see.) But, for "all intensive purposes" 😉 the Bernie-era is over... insofar as it applies to national politics anyway.

Why try to resurrect it? Why try to diminish the accomplishments of the Biden/Harris administration and why try to diminish the Harris/Walz campaign with comparisons and glory-grabbing and giving credit to someone who doesn't deserve it?

Harris/Walz have done this all on their own! This is THEIR MOMENT, not Bernie's.

[LizBeth]

83. Ya, I do not stay quiet with unfairness like this. I will always speak up.

Time and time again, even when I do not want to participate. The libra in me.

[Demsrule86]

95. I personally think 16 was a shit show and I don't want to hear anything about that time.

I ignore it as it angers me...everything that went wrong can be traced to Hillary losing. Biden is the most progressive president and was able to things done...one has to walk the walk. Talk gets you only so far.

[mcar]

101. I have a few guesses as to why they are doing this

but I'll refrain from offering them for obvious reasons.

[Zoomie1986]

195. It smells awfully cultish, if you ask me.

Same as TSF. Only on the other end of the spectrum.

[LizBeth]

223. Yes, I have seen the similarity for years. White and male, and protecting status.

[LongtimeAZDem]

99. Well, he did, but not in the way his supporters think

[AkFemDem]

78. Well as a Hillary woman...

I'm thrilled to see a democratic ticket headed by two extremely qualified AND likable personalities who stand for traditional democrat platforms and policies and I'm especially thrilled that the top of the ticket is a black woman who is and has ALWAYS been a staunch Democrat.

[kcr]

79. It's what Bernie could have been

had he not decided to surround himself with awful people who were more interested in helping out Republicans and Russia than they were effecting change.

[Oopsie Daisy]

94. Interesting analysis. They have unrealized expectations and hopes that are now manifesting themselves in ways *

* that have the effect of giving credit to Bernie where none is deserved, and which also appear to indulge in a fantasy of victory, by vicariously living through the actual and hard-earned achievements of others.

Your analysis and description of the poor choices made with regard to surrogates is right on target too.

[Zoomie1986]

197. Like attracts like

His ranting about identity politics made that clear.

[Zoomie1986]

199. Oh--and could have been?

Please. Having one of the thinnest legislative records of all time makes it clear that he was all hat, no cattle.

[obamanut2012]

81. This is not a Bernie ticket -- really? You say that? It is a Biden-Harris ticket

And a Harris-Walz ticket.

IT IS A HARRIS TICKET

I do not understand why Democratic women never get their due from anyone, except for maybe Pelosi and AOC. Sometimes.

[LizBeth]

86. Actually Pelosi is who accomplished all this thru the House with her brilliance and

determination and giving Sanders credit for all this not only takes from Biden, and now Harris, but Pelosi too.

[orange jar]

100. Yep.

As if Harris would be any less of a progressive without Bernie Sanders' mere existence. GMAFB.

[DemonGoddess]

87. uhhhh nope!

This started out as a Biden/Harris ticket and is now a Harris/Walz ticket. Our party has always been progressive. But we've also been pragmatic in realizing it takes many steps to get to where we WANT to be. Has nothing to DO with Bernie.

[markpkessinger]

90. Please, folks . . . .

. . . Our party is unified in a way it really hasn't been in my lifetime (I'm 63). I'm a big Bernie fan, but both this OP AND many of the negative reactions to it serve little purpose other than to keep past divisions alive. Can we, just this once, not fall into this trap?

[obamanut2012]

91. I would ask the OP to self delete then

Because they are doubling down.

[markpkessinger]

93. You are free to make that request if you wish . . .

. . . I am personally not in the habit of telling people they must self-censor.

[Oopsie Daisy]

97. That seems unlikely to happen. It's a good thought though.

[Demsrule86]

96. Bernie has nothing to do with our election this year. Give Kamala and Waltz the credit. They deserve it.

[markpkessinger]

98. I hardly think it is necessary to see the OP as taking anything away from Kamala and Walz n/t

[Oopsie Daisy]

107. LOL! Let's review...

LOL! Let's review...

This is basically a Bernie ticket. Finally Dems are embracing common sense, poll tested, majority of American opinion positions on things. And not compromising just because the gop calls it radical.

>> I hardly think it is necessary to see the OP as taking anything away from Kamala and Walz
Really? How so? That's an odd conclusion to arrive at. --- Frankly, the only thing "unnecessary" was the OP. Totally unnecessary.

With regard to the idiom of "hardly thinking"... I can assure you that it doesn't take a LOT of thinking to realize exactly what is meant in the OP.

Personally, since I'm not a mind-reader, I can only make an educated guess (or two) as to what the intended purpose was of this OP, or what the writer hoped to accomplish. I think you're smart enough to figure it out too.

[TheSocialDem]

152. I wanted to acknowledge how refreshing is it

To have a truly, unapologetically, progressive ticket, and to campaign on that.

“Finally Dems are embracing common sense, poll tested, majority of American opinion positions on things. And not compromising just because the gop calls it radical.”

This is me referring to our current Harris Walz ticket, I’m not speaking in riddles here

[betsuni]

168. How exactly is the Harris/Walz platform different from the Biden/Harris or previous platforms?

[Oopsie Daisy]

170. While you may feel "refreshed" the words you choose to express it are insulting.

Yes, of course! I know you're not "speaking in riddles" because the underlying meaning of your words is perfectly clear.

Words and phrases such as "finally ... embracing common sense" indicate a false belief that Democrats have in the past failed to demonstrate "common sense".

You appear to be expressing great relief when you say that the Democrats now at long last "have a truly unapologetic, progressive ticket" ... so that makes me wonder: WHEN exactly have the Democrats had an "apologetic" ticket that was not progressive? Who did you have in mind with that particular characterization?

And the suggestion that Democrats compromise unnecessarily, or that we compromise out of fear or taunting from the GOP is completely FALSE!! That, too, is insulting!

Experienced and intelligent Democrats who understand how politics works (and who know that we have a two-party adversarial system) also understand that without compromise NOTHING gets done. Compromise and finding common ground is not something to be ridiculed or scorned.

Our nation also has a skewed and fucked-up state-by-state Electoral College system. As a result, in order to win nationwide elections our party must be able to appeal to the CENTER and to INDEPENDENTS and to RATIONAL CONSERVATIVES in order to get their votes too. The candidates who easily win in Vermont (for example) are not the ones who will attract voters in Indiana or Illinois.

I understand that you're happy with the Harris/Walz ticket, and I am too. But I really need to tell you that the way you choose to express your satisfaction leaves much to be desired. The obvious smears and denigrating comparisons of past Democratic tickets, or the philosophy/agenda/platform of the Democratic party are unnecessary and offensive.

[LizBeth]

172. And it is really short sighted and limited thinking to suggest this is all because of Sanders

when there are tons of factors over the last two decades that got us here to be able to have this ticket. Not only wrong but down right silly. At any other time in history this would not have been possible and especially 2016 he is referring.

[betsuni]

175. Thank you. Passive aggressiveness, not fooling anybody.

[Zoomie1986]

200. It's not our fault that you missed the other ones

[Demsrule86]

114. Bernie Sanders has nothing to do with the current election ...it is all Harris and Waltz. They deserve the credit.

[TheSocialDem]

147. Literally saying they are campaigning as genuinely unapologetically

Progressive. Not trying to take anything away from this ticket, I’m praising it.

[Zoomie1986]

201. They're not the first

That's what you don't get.

Hillary was more progressive than Sanders on most issues.

Really.

[LizBeth]

225. RIGHT!!!! Geez all love you people that actually do your own thinking and educate self on fact.

I think I am falling in love with you Zoomie reading down this thread. lol. Male, female, young, old.... I am easy peasy, lol. Ahhhh don't get a big head, I fall in love easily, .

[betsuni]

252. Ha, was thinking the same thing. I have a crush on Zoomie.

[LizBeth]

111. Since it was just a week or so ago he got on camera to campaign for Harris said Dem historically

turn back on working class then began to school what Harris needed to do or she would lose, I would hardly say it is in the past. Then here we have someone stepping up saying yay woman, you got educated by Sanders, let me pat you on the head. So, no.

Edit to add: YES the Democratic Party is united.

[Oopsie Daisy]

121. Indeed we DEMOCRATS are united. And we won't tolerate BS posts that attempt to steal credit *

* from those who deserve it, or that attempt to give credit to those who do not deserve it. This is not Bernie's moment. He had his chance (twice) and failed (twice). The voters spoke and rejected him (twice). It's time to stop shitting on Democrats and the Democratic party and our party's leaders and nominees. It's time to stop trying to steal the spotlight. It's time to stop suppressing enthusiasm. It's time to stop (not-so) subtly insinuating that Democrats are feckless, fearful and timid with these comments about how "finally" and "at long last" Democrats are becoming progressive. Please. What nonsense. Democrats have always been progressive, and we've always been here for the people. Those who think we haven't been are simply not paying attention, or they live in some fantasy world where Democrats can simply wish things into existence if we just wish hard enough and want it strongly enough. And if that fails then "by the stroke of a pen" the Democratic King can just decree all things that we want to happen.

So, yes... we DEMOCRATS are indeed united. Others online (Greens, Socialists, Democratic-Socialists, No Labels, People's Party, Independents, Uncommitted, etc) and others with an ax to grind, and a chip on their shoulder are less united and clearly looking for a fight.

[LizBeth]

124. Thank you Oopsie for saying it so clearly and loudly. Yes. This is not a tough one

and then to have the offended telling us to shut up and accept. No. I am tired of this conversation too, so why are we having it weekly. Allow a lie to stand and it becomes the truth and there is no way.... just not a fuckin way ever, I am gonna allow this lie to become a truth, at the Democratic Party's determent.

[Oopsie Daisy]

118. Please stop "both-sides"-ing this.

When someone picks a still-healing scab and pours salt into the wound, others are going to shout "OUCH!" and "STOP IT!"

Only ONE is to blame for the shitty and insulting OP ... and it's certainly not the people who are justifiably offended and angry at the insults and smear, and who are standing up for our party, for our President and Vice President and for our party's nominees.

You say that "the negative reactions to it serve little purpose" and I'll have to disagree with you. The fact of the matter is that the "negative reactions" you find to be disagreeable and harmful actually serve the purpose of setting the record straight. Rather than sitting quietly and politely allowing others to rewrite history, or to wrongly blame Democrats and characterize Democrats as fearful and feckless and indecisive, we choose to speak up.

[LizBeth]

125. Sing it sister, so now can we be done with this? Yet? Please!

[Oopsie Daisy]

127. Let's hope.

But, in spite of the push-back that's happening on this thread, there are at least 45 (edit: 50) who silently voiced their approval of this treachery.

[LongtimeAZDem]

92. This is an "in spite of Bernie" ticket

[LakeArenal]

130. Good one.

[Sympthsical]

105. Now you've done it

[MorbidButterflyTat]

106. If I recall correctly

in 2016 Bernie couldn't or chose not to recognize he was being used by the KGOP/Russian "ticket," while trying to hijack the Democratic nomination.

[GreenWave]

113. Beware the pitfalls of starting internecine warfare.

Hi social democrat and welcome.

Methinks the economic pendulum got pushed too far to the plutocrats' favor.

Even IKE taxed the living bejeezus out of them. IKE also said anyone who does not support unions is crazy and beware the military-industrial complex. There you have it folks, your 1950's GOP leader.

[Demsrule86]

115. Are you in the Green Party? I ask because of your name...

[Irish_Dem]

126. It's an FDR/JFK ticket.

[TheSocialDem]

153. If I'd said this, would I still get the sexist criticism?

Agreed, I’m just excited about the level of progressivism represented in this ticket, and I can’t wait to cast my vote (again) for the first woman president. Bernie, and Warren even, are just the most recent examples, for me of being unapologetically progressive. But now it’s on the ticket.

[betsuni]

167. FDR, JFK, LBJ: liberal Democrats, not democratic socialists. Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris are liberals

with the same goals and policies. "Progressive" is now used as a label meaning anti-establishment with liberal Democrats the enemy establishment. The "ticket" has not changed, still liberal Democrats with the same goals and policies as always.

What does "unapologetically progressive" mean? For example?

[Irish_Dem]

169. How can it be sexist, we have had no female presidents.

And few female leaders.

I don't know how your comparison to male POTUSs could be sexist.

I am a feminist but I don't nitpick about it.
I stick to the major issues.

Men have been in total power for over a million years.
We cannot turn them around overnight.

Well, it is funny because I am more progressive than Bernie.
I always joke that I would love Bernie more if he were a bit more liberal.

So yes I am thrilled by our current ticket too.

[Zoomie1986]

205. It's an FDR/LBJ ticket

FDR and LBJ were far more liberal on domestic policy than JFK.

FDR would have reined in the more muddle-headed foreign policy impulses of LBJ.

[Irish_Dem]

259. JFK wanted peace.

LBJ wanted war.

[JustAnotherGen]

129. Naaaa

I think it's very unique and new voice in American politics. How Harris and Sanders have experienced America are radically different -and it shows.

I've never once been able to relate to Sanders.

Harris - I've found relatable and that she understands people like me since 2020.

[sheshe2]

132. +1

[obamanut2012]

134. +1

[LiberaBlueDem]

135. Yeah but

I mean yeah, Bernie could be happier if they were more Gaza focused, better health care even as far as Medicare for all, greater focus on global warming and climate change and money out of politics. But Bernie knows you can't do it all at once, so he is happy and that makes me happy because what Bernie wants is best for all of us.

In 2016 Clinton got ONLY 42% of the white women votes... and that was not Bernies fault, it was white womens fault

[LizBeth]

137. So, in 2012 and since has preached time and time again that it could be done

"all at once" and something he tore both HRC about and Obama. So no, that does not work either. He LEARNED it, was educated by the Dems once he actually participated instead of just demanding.

[lapucelle]

141. We've had the $15+ minimum wage and tuition-free community college and state university

here in NYS for years now, but we did it incrementally beginning in 2015.

Democrats did that.

[LizBeth]

142. Right... I am not going to sit back and allow the rewriting of history to accomodate an ego.

[lapucelle]

144. To be fair, I think the "rigged system" narrative originated with Sanders,

and it's still being used today. He can claim credit for that.

[betsuni]

160. Absolutely.

[lapucelle]

138. This is a Democratic ticket led by Kamala Harris. Our Party was in wonderful hands

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under the stewardship of President Joe Biden.

Anyone who doesn't understand what core Democratic Party values are and insists that there has been some magical shift needs to go back and read our platforms from previous campaigns.

Has Senator Sanders finally endorsed our nominee?

[LizBeth]

143. Kinda sorta of maybe... with we gotta elect her now let me tell you what she will need

to do or she will lose.

[JoseBalow]

165. I made this

[LongtimeAZDem]

171. There it is

[Beartracks]

176. Yep. The GOP calls *everything* radical. And if EVERYTHING is radical, then NONE of it is radical.

So Democrats can safely give Republican talking points zero merit.

================

[Deek1935]

177. This is a mainstream center-left Democratic ticket. Bernie is a self-described socialist. Dems are not that.

Don't get me wrong. I like Bernie and agree with much of what he believes, but not all. He is an Independent and was only a Democrat when he ran for the presidency, then changed back. Again, I like Bernie, but ALL Dems are progressive insofar as wanting PROGRESS. And PROGRESS doesn't mean uncompromising far left socialism.

[Oopsie Daisy]

179. Great post! Thank you, Deek1935! 👍🍷

[PatSeg]

260. Well said

And meanwhile we have the most progressive president since LBJ in the White House right now. It appears that Harris-Walz are an extension of the policies of the current Biden administration. I don't see any point in giving Bernie credit for what we're seeing.

[Zoomie1986]

180. LOL No, it's not a Bernie ticket

I'd explain why but it would probably get me banned.

[Emile]

183. Thank goodness it's not a moderate ticket.

[SalviaBlue]

196. I just heard the same thing on Faux News.

I happened to hear the Faux commenter saying that Bernie is calling the shots and that Walz was Bernie’s choice.

[LizBeth]

232. There you go and Sanders grinnnnnsssss, for not doing shit. And this is why we have to schoo constantly on THIS

DEMOCRATIC board. Once again, Sanders for the spoil.

[SalviaBlue]

198. I just heard the Faux news reporter say the same thing on my MILs TV.

I happened to hear the Faux commenter saying that Bernie is calling the shots and that Walz was Bernie’s choice.

[Emile]

202. What are you doing watching Fox noise?

[SalviaBlue]

203. Wishing I could blow my brains out....

At my MILs house. And just in case we might miss anything, it’s on full blast.

[Emile]

204. LOL, you need to find a remote control.

[Zoomie1986]

206. It's called oppo research

Smart people do it so they know what the other side is up to and what they're vulnerable on.

Most people who are familiar with politics are well aware of how valuable information like that can be during a campaign.

[Emile]

207. LOL, smart people don't watch Fox!

[Think. Again.]

209. You're watching propaganda for "valuable information"?

[LizBeth]

233. You are the one buying and promoting, they just broadcasted what you are saying, lmao.

[Think. Again.]

237. I don't even have cable.

[LizBeth]

239. like that is the point.....

[Think. Again.]

241. But I hear people who watch it, such as yourself, believe it is "invaluable information".

[LizBeth]

245. I do not even have tv, let alone watching Fox news. What you talking about?

Way back in 2000 in Texas I would walk into a business with Fox and told them to turn off or I walked out. Before it was cool. There is a post stating that it was on tonight. But hey.... once again, a strike. I think that is three strikes from you. Not doing so good.

[Think. Again.]

254. My mistake, I assumed since you knew what "just broadcast" by them...

...that you were a foxwatcher.

[questionseverything]

208. Harris/walz are the first presidential ticket wanting to legalize mj

First free lunches for all the school kids

[Emile]

210. Very progressive

[LizBeth]

234. It took a lot f states and Colorado and then Oregon taking the first steps to this point.

It takes TIME to move people to your camp. Took TIME to do it with gay marriages, HC, Pot.

[Emile]

256. Takes time because Republicans and moderates dragging their feet.

[LizBeth]

265. And just getting the people on board, see it is not dire consequence as a matter of

fact, not even a hiccup. The masses have to get to that point.

[Emile]

267. I remember the masses of voters in the Democratic

party wanting a public option when they passed Obama Care.

[LizBeth]

270. In the Democratic party, that is not a nation as a whole backing public option

They were not able to and they have been trying since. Some counties in states have it again Colorado forward thinking. And working with Cigna I better understand the mess of it dealing with a Colorado claim versus the rest of the nation, lol so thank you for making me educate myself.

As of November 2023, public option plans were offered in 37 of 39 counties, up from 34 in 2023. Some states with public option programs include:

We are going county to county ten years later. We were hardly there in 2014.

[Emile]

273. Well as I said earlier it's a matter of getting Republicans and MODERATES

on board for progressive change. The people are waiting.

[betsuni]

257. Exactly. Democratic states and cities raising the minimum wage, legalizing marijuana,

gay marriage, lots of progressive things which didn't destroy the economies of those states and more Americans stop believing Republicans scare tactics.

I remember when Seattle voted for a $15 minimum wage in, I think, 2014, scary news stories about how all the restaurants and family businesses would go out of business. Didn't happen. Americans were freaked out about government involvement in health care with the ACA and death panels. Didn't happen. Civilization would collapse because of gay marriage. Didn't happen. That's how the country gets used to change, Incrementalism is not an immoral sin, it's reality.

[LizBeth]

266. Exactly. So Sanders comes in 2016 and say now we want to go from A to T in a flash,

RIGHT NOW.... and people were still processing whether ACA was going to ruin the economy or be wonderful. Universal HC, I demand, Sanders was saying and if not you are establishment, not for the people. Offensive. People weren't there yet. NOW talk to them 8 yrs later, they are MUCH closer. I mean, in order to move forward one has to be able to see the big picture to get there and that was not happening with Sanders, the squad or his supporters. Lose 2016, and AOC was the first to get it along with most of the squad. Just simple human behavior.

[Carlitos Brigante]

226. I love it!! nt

[LizBeth]

235. Right here, you said it. And we have fox promoting it and Sanders grinning.

Sheshe needs to give the picture of him at the 2016 convention eating up the discourse he caused. Can't stand that video. Had totally forgot it until last week when we had another thread promoting Sanders as the leader of our party at the expense of our woman candidate.

[Think. Again.]

238. It's clear you're attempting to spark division here, please stop.

[LizBeth]

240. No, as a lifetime Democrat I can say the same giving an independent ALL the credit for our Democratic accomplishments,

ya think? That is both condescending and audacious.

[Think. Again.]

242. Again, your response doesn't seem to have any connection to my post, or even the OP.

[LizBeth]

246. You are exhausting.

[Think. Again.]

255. My apologies, I am simply replying responding to your prompts.

[LizBeth]

268. ya... but you gotta do some thinking in between the two instead of just reading then replying.

Like for example if reading thru the thread you would actually be reading my posts that delve into actual issues and converse subject with more detail and thought ergo making clear I feel passionately on the issue and not just her to stir up shit. Where as yours are one sentences, little thought or effort to clearly see where I am going in conversation and why I may be saying what I am saying then truly replying off the wall waste of time.

Like for example, here I am taking what you say in good faith and putting ALL this time effort and thought into your comment to EXPLAIN to you why you are exhausting.

See the difference?

[Think. Again.]

271. I'm sorry if my concise responses bother you?

[LizBeth]

274. Clue in... your responses are not even in the ball park, hence the exhaustion. lol

[Think. Again.]

276. I'm sorry you're exhausted, perhaps ignore me?

[Emile]

258. It's very obvious. +1

[LizBeth]

275. Omg... lol

[sheshe2]

247. I'll pass on the photo this go around...😉

To many upset peeps.

[LizBeth]

248. lol, right.

[sheshe2]

249. Yes.

You should have been here for 2016 primary season 😱 😬

[LizBeth]

250. Yep lol

[Omaha Steve]

243. For the record

The DU raised $77,149 raised from 2,108 contributions for Bernie in 2016.

[Oopsie Daisy]

263. That's nice. But what relevance does it have in this threaded discussion topic?

How does this add to the conversation and what's the point of mentioning it here and now?

[Self Esteem]

253. Bernie walked so Harris could run, right?

lol

[Oopsie Daisy]

262. 😲...🙄...🤢🤮 ---- 😂🤣🤪🤪

[sheshe2]

264. 😆😆😆😆😆

[pattyloutwo]

278. Three weeks of unity was too much

I guess. People love attacking each other on DU

[Oopsie Daisy]

280. Nobody on DU is being "attacked". Who's being "attacked"?

But I think it's clear that intelligent people on DU know when the passive aggressive smears are being hurled at Harris and the Democratic party. Nobody needs to put up with that! We ain't got time for that! And nobody should just expect that everyone just remains quiet and not push-back and set the record straight.