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Rubyshoo

(1,959 posts)
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:07 PM Aug 2024

MAGA has game plan to halt elections if Harris takes lead: report

But in an article published by the conservative website The Bulwark, journalist A.B. Stoddard warns that if Harris wins in November, an "entire army of Republicans" is "ready to block certification of the election at the local level."

"Trump is no longer on track to win the election — which he has been for more than six straight months," Stoddard wrote. "Instead, the momentum, money, voter registration, volunteering, grassroots organizing, polling, and online engagement all favor the Democrats, and it looks now like Trump could easily lose.

“But that won’t happen, because Trump doesn't lose.…. No need to worry about mayhem on January 6, 2025 when Congress meets in joint session; the election deniers plan to stop a result right away if it looks like Harris is winning."

Stoddard continues, "Their goal: Refuse to certify anywhere — even a county that Trump won — and prevent certification in that state, which prevents certification of the presidential election. A Harris victory could become a nightmare."



https://www.rawstory.com/news/inside-magas-game-plan-if-harris-wins-report/


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MAGA has game plan to halt elections if Harris takes lead: report (Original Post) Rubyshoo Aug 2024 OP
The bigger the landslide, the harder this is to pull off. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #1
We can hope. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #5
If the election were close of course the plan might work. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #16
True, plus, the more attention their plans get BEFORE they can implement them... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #18
Exactly. This is why we keep seeing the plans every day. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #23
Good! Let's KEEP seeing the plans everyday! Think. Again. Aug 2024 #25
I think people are more aware of voter suppression tactics too. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #27
I certainly hope so! Think. Again. Aug 2024 #32
Thanks! Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #56
When the polls begin to sink BattleRow Aug 2024 #50
But they'll be in prison for trump, so it's OK. Turbineguy Aug 2024 #6
NOPE. All the bigger fish are singing like canaries. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #15
True. But what really serves their ends is CHAOS. Hekate Aug 2024 #33
They can create all the chaos they want. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #57
AB is super anti-Trump. WarGamer Aug 2024 #2
It doesn't take an anti-trumper to.... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #7
THIS SHOULD BE PLASTERED EVERYWHERE !!! Think. Again. Aug 2024 #3
I'm done with him. Kamala needs to ask him for a resignation letter ...nt ArkansasDemocrat1 Aug 2024 #37
I absolutly agree and believe an investigation into his lack of action is warranted. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #39
Yup. Preet Bharara onetexan Aug 2024 #62
The DOJ should be putting out a statement liberalmuse Aug 2024 #53
ABSOLUTELY! Think. Again. Aug 2024 #54
This is insane.............................. Lovie777 Aug 2024 #4
lol fascists do not care about democracy nt msongs Aug 2024 #8
Case in point: Unhumans, book Vance blurbed pat_k Aug 2024 #35
A Failed, Armed Insurrection is Coming MrWowWow Aug 2024 #9
Great superpatriotman Aug 2024 #10
Ask the Cochise County Arizona supervisors who are facing felony dobleremolque Aug 2024 #11
Agreed. TwilightZone Aug 2024 #14
I wouldn't put to much faith in any rightwing insurrectionist's ability to see reason. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #19
I share your view, but one would hope their resolution tends to collapse when dobleremolque Aug 2024 #34
The problem is, laws don't stop people who break laws. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #38
Disturbing. Passages Aug 2024 #12
Calling Mark Elias! skip fox Aug 2024 #13
Because garland's phone is off the hook! Think. Again. Aug 2024 #20
Mark's been beating the war drums on youtube onetexan Aug 2024 #29
Mark is aware of this. He has a lawsuit pointed at any local or state official that even thinks madinmaryland Aug 2024 #61
Utter nonsense! What army? MineralMan Aug 2024 #17
Did You Read The Rolling Stone Article ? Rubyshoo Aug 2024 #21
I have, along with numerous other nonsense articles. MineralMan Aug 2024 #28
What Planet Do YOU Live On ??? Rubyshoo Aug 2024 #43
Oh, FFS! MineralMan Aug 2024 #46
One slight omission: Biden has not knee capped the DC response team. GreenWave Aug 2024 #48
Won't work in Michigan Kaleva Aug 2024 #30
Who's on the state election board? Think. Again. Aug 2024 #41
Some info Kaleva Aug 2024 #59
Any info on who will be in control on the state election board? Think. Again. Aug 2024 #60
The state supreme court Kaleva Aug 2024 #63
So we don't know if there are any election-deniers who ignore legitimate laws and orders on the commission? Think. Again. Aug 2024 #64
The ones that try will face jail and be replaced Kaleva Aug 2024 #65
Well that's good to know... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #66
Yeah, it's not like they tried it before! Think. Again. Aug 2024 #22
also see - hitler will not actually do any of those things, he's just bluffing nt msongs Aug 2024 #44
Yeah... And The Titanic Is Unsinkable... The Experts Said So Rubyshoo Aug 2024 #58
All you fascists struggle4progress Aug 2024 #24
We shall not be moved struggle4progress Aug 2024 #26
Which side are you on? struggle4progress Aug 2024 #31
The last attempted coup was just a taster of what is to come. This time, they are more prepared and they are everywhere. Doodley Aug 2024 #36
If they do that, Biden could take action Buckeyeblue Aug 2024 #40
Yep, he could also do whatever ILLEGAL stuff he thinks is necessary. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #42
According to the SC there is no illegal action if it's done in an official capacity Buckeyeblue Aug 2024 #47
Correct, he could just have the election deniers "disappeared"... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #49
Their obstruction due to election fraud must demand concrete evidence or off to prison. GreenWave Aug 2024 #45
Then Biden remains President, as Trump would have. Freethinker65 Aug 2024 #51
If they try that, it will work about as well as in 2020. Silent Type Aug 2024 #52
Let's make sure of that. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #55
A thought worth pondering BattleRow Aug 2024 #67

Irish_Dem

(61,418 posts)
1. The bigger the landslide, the harder this is to pull off.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:09 PM
Aug 2024

People will know what is happening.

And those guilty will go to prison.

Irish_Dem

(61,418 posts)
16. If the election were close of course the plan might work.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:27 PM
Aug 2024

And it would be a nightmare.

The bigger the landslide the harder to pull it all off.
Especially with so many people being charged for the last insurrection.

My bigger worry is something Putin might pull.
But even he seems to be facing reality and quickly negotiated a deal
before Kalama got into the WH.

Think. Again.

(20,051 posts)
18. True, plus, the more attention their plans get BEFORE they can implement them...
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:30 PM
Aug 2024

...the less chance they will get away with it.

That's why I'm glad to see so much public discussion about them.

Irish_Dem

(61,418 posts)
23. Exactly. This is why we keep seeing the plans every day.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:35 PM
Aug 2024

I think it is deliberate.

Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

We may see isolated attempts.

These hotshot attorneys from last time are losing their law licenses and going to jail.
Hard to face that possibility for saving Trump who is becoming less and less
likable by the day.

Irish_Dem

(61,418 posts)
15. NOPE. All the bigger fish are singing like canaries.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:24 PM
Aug 2024

They are flipping on Trump.
Once just flipped this week.

The really crazy and stubborn will go to jail.
Or go bankrupt like Giuliani.

Irish_Dem

(61,418 posts)
57. They can create all the chaos they want.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 03:52 PM
Aug 2024

Like Trump did to Biden after the election.

They wanted Biden to call off the inauguration until the courts and election offices "decided things."
Or calls for Biden to take the oath behind closed doors, it was too dangerous out in the open, etc.

Biden said hell no, I am going to take the oath on the appointed day.
End of story. And he did.

They cannot stop Kamala from taking the oath if she wins the election by a landslide.

liberalmuse

(18,876 posts)
53. The DOJ should be putting out a statement
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 03:15 PM
Aug 2024

“Election interference is a Federal crime and will be prosecuted with the full extent of the law.” I mean, for God’s sake Garland, come out with something! I’ve never seen a weaker, more fucking useless AG in all my life.

Think. Again.

(20,051 posts)
54. ABSOLUTELY!
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 03:22 PM
Aug 2024

That statement SHOULD be released, and publicized, and recited before every and any public or closed door election-related event of any kind.

Lovie777

(15,669 posts)
4. This is insane..............................
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:10 PM
Aug 2024

sore losers. I can't see this being legal by stopping a duly election and disregarding the votes of American citizens. It's not USA nor democracy.

pat_k

(10,883 posts)
35. Case in point: Unhumans, book Vance blurbed
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:47 PM
Aug 2024

Unhumans, the far, far, far right dystopian vision of fascism saving the world.

Forward by Bannon,
Blurbed by J.D. Vance, Don Jr., and Tucker Carlson, among others.

They are so much worse than we can imagine.

Opinion
Michelle Goldberg
JD Vance Just Blurbed a Book Arguing That Progressives Are Subhuman
Aug. 5, 2024

Paywall free link to NYTimes
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/05/opinion/jd-vance-fascism-unhumans.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Bk4.xGes.1_ONuyrQ-M2p&smid=url-share

. . .
“Unhumans,” an anti-democratic screed that Posobiec co-wrote with the professional ghostwriter Joshua Lisec, comes with endorsements from some of the most influential people in Republican politics, including, most significantly, vice-presidential candidate JD Vance.

As they tell it, modern progressivism is just the latest incarnation of an ancient evil dating back to the late Roman Republic and continuing through the French Revolution and Communism to today. Often, they write, “great men of means” are required to crush this scourge. The contempt for democracy in “Unhumans” is not subtle. “Our study of history has brought us to this conclusion: Democracy has never worked to protect innocents from the unhumans,” write Posobiec and Lisec.

One of their book’s heroes is the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco, who overthrew the democratic Second Spanish Republic in the country’s 1930s civil war. The authors call him a “great man of history” and compare him to George Washington. They quote him on what doesn’t work against the unhuman threat: “We do not believe in government through the voting booth. The Spanish national will was never freely expressed through the ballot box.”

Nakedly authoritarian ideas like this one are not uncommon in the dank corners of the reactionary internet, or among the sort of groups that led the Jan. 6 insurrection. “Unhumans” lauds Augusto Pinochet, leader of the Chilean military junta who led a coup against Salvador Allende’s elected government in 1973, ushering in a reign of torture and repression that involved tossing political enemies from helicopters.

Pinochet-inspired helicopter memes have been common in the MAGA movement for years. And as the historian David Austin Walsh wrote last year, there’s long been a cult of Franco on the right. Nevertheless, it’s extremely unusual for a candidate for vice president of the United States to openly align himself with autocratic terror.
. . .


MrWowWow

(431 posts)
9. A Failed, Armed Insurrection is Coming
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:15 PM
Aug 2024

Am ready to pay-per-view that filmed, streamed live event. Federal troops will put down those rabid dogs. Could be wild!

superpatriotman

(6,588 posts)
10. Great
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:18 PM
Aug 2024

So Biden remains president and hands off to his VP when ready.

Edit: Damn good and ready.

dobleremolque

(934 posts)
11. Ask the Cochise County Arizona supervisors who are facing felony
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:19 PM
Aug 2024
criminal charges of election interference for refusal to certify in 2022, how that tactic has gone for them.

TwilightZone

(28,834 posts)
14. Agreed.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:24 PM
Aug 2024

Most state laws are similar and pretty clear. Unless they are changed by November, these efforts are likely to meet the same fate as those from 2020 and 2022.

dobleremolque

(934 posts)
34. I share your view, but one would hope their resolution tends to collapse when
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:45 PM
Aug 2024

they see money coming out of their pockets for expenses that they expected someone else to pay.

These two ignored direct advice from their county attorney, ignored a letter from the attorney general saying don't do it, and now after indictment by a grand jury, their not inconsiderable legal expenses are coming out of their own pockets.

It's something to direct the crazy ones' attention to. If it has no effect, then FAFO, I guess.

madinmaryland

(65,243 posts)
61. Mark is aware of this. He has a lawsuit pointed at any local or state official that even thinks
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 04:49 PM
Aug 2024

about not certifying an election. Their only duty is to count the votes and certify the votes that were counted. They will pay big time if they pull this kind of bullshit.

MineralMan

(148,224 posts)
17. Utter nonsense! What army?
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:27 PM
Aug 2024

This is simply bullshit fantasizing on someone's part.

A.B. Stoddard is full of shit, and Raw Story is using this as clickbait.

Garbage.

 

Rubyshoo

(1,959 posts)
21. Did You Read The Rolling Stone Article ?
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:34 PM
Aug 2024
In the swing states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania, Rolling Stone and American Doom identified nearly 70 pro-Trump election conspiracists currently working as county election officials who have questioned the validity of elections or delayed or refused to certify results. At least 20 of these county election officials have refused or delayed certification in recent years.

Certification of election results is what legal experts consider a “ministerial task,” and one required by state and local law. But as Trump’s lies about the 2020 election have taken hold, Republicans nationwide have decided that certification provides them an opportunity to hear fraud allegations — and refuse to officially count their local votes. Republicans have refused to certify election results at least 25 times since Trump lost the 2020 election to President Joe Biden.


Archive: https://archive.ph/jckv9#selection-1845.2-1857.2



MineralMan

(148,224 posts)
28. I have, along with numerous other nonsense articles.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:38 PM
Aug 2024

There is no army. There are a few county officials who claim they will not certify. Some tried that in 2020. None succeeded, actually.

There is no freaking "Army." Do you know what an army looks like? The Republicans don't have such a thing. Nope. They have some misfits who have weaseled their way into local offices. There are laws against what they think they are going to try to do. Arrest them. Try them. Put them in prison.

This is just plain nonsense, designed to stir up FUD. You know what FUD is, I'm very sure.

 

Rubyshoo

(1,959 posts)
43. What Planet Do YOU Live On ???
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:53 PM
Aug 2024

I live on a planet where the supreme court, in the country I was born, is corrupt.

Where the previous president elected in 2016 tried mightly to hold on to power after being voted out.

Where people died trying to protect the very foundation of Democracy.

Where our elected representatives were forced to cower and hide under their desks, and put on their gas masks while at work.

Where the traitorous voted-out-ex-president watched from his couch and was thrilled with the whole thing... for hours.

Where that same asshole seemed to enjoy the fact that his second in command, a person from his own fucking party, might just get hung by the neck until he was dead.

Excuse me if I DO NOT sit back and relax, and think that everything is gonna be just fine.




GreenWave

(9,742 posts)
48. One slight omission: Biden has not knee capped the DC response team.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 03:00 PM
Aug 2024

They will not take the Congress. Fast bullets will fly. They will run like frightened cowards. But the armored divisions will capture them. Trump will be rounded up, etc. It will look ugly, but democracy will prevail.

Kaleva

(38,777 posts)
30. Won't work in Michigan
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:39 PM
Aug 2024

Any county that doesn't certify by the deadline will have their results certified by the state election board.

Kaleva

(38,777 posts)
59. Some info
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 04:03 PM
Aug 2024

"The Michigan measure also speeds up the timeline for completing the post-election canvass and clarifies that only the governor can submit a list of presidential electors to congress. That’s an attempt to limit confusion over alternate or false elector slates like the kind Trump’s campaign organized in 2020, including in Michigan, where several Republicans are now fighting related criminal charges. "

"The new Michigan law similarly states that partisan election canvassers at both the county and state levels have a "ministerial, clerical, and nondiscretionary duty" to certify results based on results compiled by local clerks. "

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/whitmer-signs-michigan-election-law-overhaul-aims-prevent-chaos

This crap was tried in 2020 but the state supreme court, dominated by Democrats, shut them down.

With the new laws, they'll have even less of a chance to succeed.

Think. Again.

(20,051 posts)
60. Any info on who will be in control on the state election board?
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 04:07 PM
Aug 2024

If a refusal to certify gets passed upward to them, we need to know if THEY are honest enough to do the certification.

Think. Again.

(20,051 posts)
64. So we don't know if there are any election-deniers who ignore legitimate laws and orders on the commission?
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 06:50 PM
Aug 2024

Kaleva

(38,777 posts)
65. The ones that try will face jail and be replaced
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 06:55 PM
Aug 2024

History shows they tried to prevent certification in the past and they failed miserably.

Have any evidence that they'll succeed this year while taking account the changes to the laws here in Michigan making such an attempt even harder then it was in 2020?

Remember that the state supreme court, the state legislature, the governorship, the state AG, and the state SOS are controlled by Democrats

Think. Again.

(20,051 posts)
66. Well that's good to know...
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 07:11 PM
Aug 2024

But the rightwing plan seems to be to screw up the election count process in as many ways as possible to stall long enough to kick the vote to the House of Representatives.

Anything that can be done to avoid any of their games before they play them will be necessary.

Edit to add:

Unfortunately, trust is no longer an option, they already blew that out the window.

Doodley

(10,452 posts)
36. The last attempted coup was just a taster of what is to come. This time, they are more prepared and they are everywhere.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:48 PM
Aug 2024

Buckeyeblue

(5,749 posts)
40. If they do that, Biden could take action
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:51 PM
Aug 2024

He could declare martial law under the idea that not certifying elections violates citizens civil rights.

Think. Again.

(20,051 posts)
49. Correct, he could just have the election deniers "disappeared"...
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 03:01 PM
Aug 2024

....that would be just fine with the final judicial authority of the United States.

That is where we are today.

GreenWave

(9,742 posts)
45. Their obstruction due to election fraud must demand concrete evidence or off to prison.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 02:55 PM
Aug 2024

Instantly!
And no more 60 times through the courts.

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