GOP pollster on Trump-Harris: 'I haven't seen anything like this'

[Wicked Blue]

By Matt Arco | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
Updated: Aug. 14, 2024, 9:47 a.m.|Published: Aug. 14, 2024, 9:36 a.m.

Republican pollster Frank Luntz appears stunned at the current state of the Kamala Harris-Donald Trump matchup and this year’s presidential election.

Luntz, who’s been called “The Nostradamus of pollsters” and conducts focus groups, had been bullish on Trump defeating Joe Biden and returning to the White House. Now, he says, he can’t believe what he’s seeing among his focus groups and in the polls.

“She’s bringing out people who are not interested in voting for either Trump or Biden, so the entire electoral pool has changed and if it continues in this direction you have to start to consider Democrats winning the Senate and Democrats winning the House,” Luntz said Wednesday on CNBC.

“She’s got intensity now. She’s got an intensity advantage. She’s got a demographic advantage and I haven’t seen anything like this happen in 30 days in my lifetime,” he said. “Now my groups are broken up by young women saying, ‘I’m not voting for him anymore.’”

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/08/gop-pollster-on-trump-harris-i-havent-seen-anything-like-this.html
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[Sky Jewels]

1. I hope the state of the race gives ol' Frankie projectile diarrhea

every day for three months.

[EYESORE 9001]

2. Something like that

could lead to development of a shitty outlook on his profession

[Funtatlaguy]

3. Yes, he is the author of THE DEMOCRAT PARTY

He taught the Republican echo chamber to always say Democrat Party instead of Democratic Party when he was exclusively a GOP pollster and surrogate.
Now, he has his own company and is supposedly NEUTRAL in who he will work for and/or support.

[BonnieJW]

7. Then he shouldn't mind

if we call his party magats, since he's neutral and all.

[rainin]

8. I like "maggots" better. Why hint at what we mean?

I think they're fine being called MAGATS. They wear it with pride. "Maggots" would be hard to embrace

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

18. Weird Maggots...

...eom.

[rainin]

24. Perfect!!

[jaxexpat]

37. Maggots:

Make America great, gagging on Trump's shit

[JHB]

56. Much more than that. He's one of the main Dr. Frankensteins who created the current GOP monster

When Newt Gingrich was teaching Republicans to talk in highly-charged terms, to always pain Democrats in the most loathsome terms, Dr. Frankenluntz was the guy working with him, shopping the language to focus groups to see what got the "best" reaction.

[louis-t]

59. Between him and Gingrich with his list of words

to describe Democrats. "Obstructionist Daschle", etc.

[The_Counsel]

64. My Favorite Was "Activist Judge"

I mean....

Kinda rich in hindsight, now that they've packed the Circuit, Appellate and Supreme Court with conservative activist judges who don't even follow the law as it is anymore, just as they'd LIKE it to be...

[The_Counsel]

63. Yeah, Frank Luntz: God's Gift to Polling....NOT!

...and that guy has never been "neutral" in his life. He likes to PLAY neutral, but he gives himself away every time.

Gotta love his focus groups that are always 98% Republican, right?

But he's "neutral." Whatever.

[not fooled]

69. And "Death Tax"?

I think that was luntz...responsible for poisoning the minds of millions of 'Muricans.

[MontanaMama]

67. I approve this message.

I wish Frank projectile diarrhea for many many days.

ETA: Luntz also can’t be trusted for a thin minute.

[peachpit24]

4. Cnbc

I watched this this morning. I thought the woman was going to cry when she asked Luntz what can billionaires do that support Trump.

[surfered]

5. Trump may be past his shelf life.....finally

[fierywoman]

9. This is a perfect way of putting it!

[Funtatlaguy]

10. Cockroaches 🪳 must be completely crushed.

[GopherGal]

48. How can you tell when sour cream has gone bad?

[NJCher]

55. It gets this orangey growth

On the surface.

[Unwind Your Mind]

49. Jumped the shark perhaps?

[Deminpenn]

54. Alex Wagner calls it the "fat Elvis" stage

nt

[Bev54]

6. I have never been a Frank Lutz fan, ever, still not but even he has to concede what is happening.

[PCIntern]

11. NOSTRADAMUS of politics?

He’s more like the Eddie Haskell of politics.

You young folk can look him up on YT.

[geardaddy]

19. LOL @ Eddie Haskell of politics

[Seinan Sensei]

36. At least Eddie Haskell's hairline was real

Frank Luntz's "hairline" is determined by that shitty toupee he wears

[Jarqui]

21. That is over the top to say the least

I've always thought he was a bit of a jerk (to say it nicely)

I have to concur this much having watched this for close to 60 years:
I can't recall seeing anything like it either (getting like Ground Hog Day .. I keep saying this)

The launch of her campaign has been going like a smooth symphony and lots of people seem to be liking their music.

It's still close. We have a long way to go.
Great start!

[pat_k]

38. Yes. A long way. As Simon Rosenberg and Joe Trippi

point out in the latest Strategy Session:

Trippi:
We gotta keep doing the work. No matter what this thing looks like, no matter what it is, we keep doing the work. They keep doing the crazy, we keep doing the work. And run it up everywhere we can. And fight everywhere, including Texas and Florida.

Rosenberg:
If I can say one last point. . . Everyone's gotta realize what Joe just said is so important. Right now, the people that I'm talking to who are canvassing and making phone calls -- so it's exciting, people are interested. You've got this new candidate, new dynamic. Imagine if you are a marginal voter and you kinda have this new excitement, and then the campaign calls you, or the campaign knocks on your door. Not only is this exciting, but they care about me!

What we are hearing anecdotally from people who are making calls and canvassing, and texting right now, is that the reception is unbelievable. And people are like "thank you for calling me," "I want to volunteer." People are volunteering to volunteer. They are not even having to be asked.

So I think there is this dynamic right now that this huge grassroots army that is already deployed is also moving the needle. It's turning people from potential voters, marginal voters into our supporters. And then that is creating what I call this virtuous cycle of participation. This virtuous cycle is now beginning to kick in in the election.

So anyone who is thinking of working, make your plan now. How are you going to close? Early voting starts in 38 days. What are you going to do? Don't wait. Be active now. It's an amazing time to be talking to voters right now. The response has been incredible. And early vote starts in 38 days. Have your plan now for how you're going to give, how you're going to volunteer, and how you're going to vote on day one. It 's important that everyone vote as early as they can in the early vote. If you do that our campaigns move on to lower propensity voters. It increases voter turn out

See https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219332188
It is a great panel!

[BattleRow]

28. Mafia Don

and his merry band of Cosa Nostradamus tealeaf readers.

[hibbing]

44. Who the heck gave him that sobriquet?

[liberalla]

12. YES !!!

So happy!

[Rubyshoo]

13. K & R !!!

[NotHardly]

14. This is what happens when you take away Women's Rights!!!

[BaronChocula]

15. Frank Luntz

He's the guy who gathered a handfull of gopper congresspricks and other goppers at a dinner on the night of Obama's first inauguration. They agreed that night that goppers in Congress would oppose Obama on everything. This was the limbaugh wet dream. The corpulent bigot had been on air for years promoting anti-liberal hate for hate's sake. That dinner was the genesis of the current level of gridlock we see today. It ain't both sides.

[LogicFirst]

16. Doctors' office yesterday

Our group: 4 women versus 2 men
Women were for Harris; men for Trump.
Women must vote in this election.

[ramapo]

51. I'm a man

A lot of us are assholes. Sorry

[The_Counsel]

65. I'm a Man, Also....

Not all of us are assholes, thankfully.

[Prairie Gates]

17. Trumpism is exhausting...Biden was not really up for it anymore

Both were representatives of the old ways.

Harris provides an out, something other than this terribly depressing shit we've been doing for 10 years, plus. Trump is no longer the change candidate, except for his most weirdo supporters. It's why his attempts to link Harris to Biden policies have fallen so flat.

[thesquanderer]

20. Lindsay Graham's prediction may have only been off by a few years...

...from back when he said, ""If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed ... and we will deserve it."

[vanlassie]

35. No one more than GOP leadership.

Lindsey and Mitch are top of the shitheap.

[BattleRow]

41. Burrowing brown nosers...

Dung Beetle and Mud Turtle.

[pecosbob]

22. Allan Lichtman is the Nostradamus of presidential elections

Frank Luntz is an old-school GOP rat-fucker.

[LudwigPastorius]

23. Duh. Younger people will vote for a younger candidate.

Luntz is pretty fucking dense.

[calimary]

25. DEAL with it, Luntz.

Too damn bad. You’ve HAD your chance, over all these years when you advised and helped the damn detestable GOP. The only workable advice you can push now is about giving up Republicanism and learning to appreciate and embrace the Democratic worldview.

[DFW]

26. EVERYTHING Frank says is planned for the audience he is playing for

He will rarely tell a public audience what he really thinks about anything. He is a very talented mercenary, willing to say anything, pull any stunt, give whatever opinion he thinks will please the ones paying his (substantial) bill. The right pays better, and so he works for them--and he does it well. But it's mostly theater, and should be taken as such.

In ancient Greece, the Oracle at Delphi was well-known for giving prophesies that were just ambiguous enough to be able to be interpreted in a way that was encouraging to the one paying for the prophesy. Eels hold Frank Luntz up as their role model in being slippery.

He knows what the score is, and can read the tea leaves as well as anyone, maybe even better than most. But if the cameras are rolling, or he thinks your computer is hackable, or the mic is on somewhere, all you will hear fro Frank is what he thinks Republicans want to hear, or else should hear. All is geared toward them winning, because if they do, his paycheck gets fatter. He will never predict a landslide victory for Harris/Walz because Republicans don't want to hear it. If he sees it coming, he will only say so if he is confident no one will ever have a record of it. Otherwise, he will dance around it like an expert snake charmer who never gets bitten by the cobra.

[nuxvomica]

40. Well said

I especially like the part about the eels.

[LittleGirl]

43. I was going to post something similar

but you said it better than I could. Thanks.

[DFW]

45. I first met the guy in December 2000

I’ve had ample opportunity to observe him at close range.

[eppur_se_muova]

60. "if King Croesus crosses the Halys River, a great empire will be destroyed."

Croesus received these words most favorably, instigating a war that would ironically and eventually end not the Persian Empire but his own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pteria

[lees1975]

27. First problem this Republican pollster had was being "bullish" on Trump beating Biden.

That wasn't going to happen, though the Republicans might have fared better in Congress. Now it looks much better for Democrats to win it all.

[KPN]

29. Yahoo!

You frigging MAGA yayhoos!! All of you - from the fat old orange bag if puss on down. May you go down burning!

Yahoo!

[BattleRow]

30. There is a vast gulf

that divides smart and smartass.

Luntz and his ilk have neither the ability to swim,nor a means of conveyance.

[Joinfortmill]

31. This is really good news for Democracy, U.S.A. and the world.

Also, for this guy to say this, hell must have frozen over.

[mdbl]

32. I amazed at how stupid republican voters are

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Luntz said he predicted that Dump would win the white house again but now he here's women saying "Im not voting for him anymore". To those morons I say, really?!?! Like you had a good choice there? Have you been watching the last 7 years??? How did you think voting a dictator into power would give you any power in your government? I would love to hear the answers but I know it will be the usual nonsense. Would also like to know how they feel about JD Vance and his about face from Dump hater to Dump lover? Do they like spinless vice presidents that much? Magats need not answer. Your brains are already outside the realm of reality.

[NJCher]

57. Yeah, I caught that, too

What women were voting for trump this time around anyway.

I guess forced birth women?

[AKwannabe]

33. Get em, Kamala!

House AND Senate!!!
Woot!

[rubbersole]

34. Venezuela, prepare yourselves.

Gas up the bullshit bulldozer. You'll need it.

[BattleRow]

39. I can hear his theme song now..

"Don't cry for me Venezuela!"

[wiggs]

42. Luntz...while he might be reporting on his focus groups findings, he is also likely testing toxic

phrases and words to use to torpedo democracy more effectively. He has less to do with issues than he does finding poison pills for those marketing false memes.

[Pluvious]

46. Also, from Occupy Democrats...

Link to tweet

[Wicked Blue]

47. Wonderful!

[Butterflylady]

50. Of course, women are smart.

They don't want anyone sticking their nose in their business. Plus they don't want birth control taken away. That is definitely a no, no.

[GopherGal]

68. Unfortunately not all women...

Three have been dumb/desperate enough to marry Mango Mussolini.


But, every time I read more about incels, I end up thinking more highly of my gender. "Yeah, women who turned this guy down, you were right not to take the chance that he'd reproduce. Good decision."

[Blue Owl]

52. BRING IT!

[Scruffy1]

53. Nostradamas and Jeane Dixon have much in common.

Make your bullshit very vague and the stoners will call you a.prophet. I predict there will be an earthquake in South America this year. Why anybody takes him seriously is beyond me.

[BlueWavePsych]

58. Kick

[Wicked Blue]

61. LOL

[Mr. Mustard 2023]

62. Never Trust Frank Luntz...

...he is a Republicon through and through. His expertise is using language to trick people into believing Republicon lies.

Frank Luntz knows when to sound moderate but listen to him carefully. Listen to how he asks his questions, and what he does when the conversation veers into reality, or in favor of a Democratic position.

Never trust that man.

[DENVERPOPS]

66. He is merely

trying to scare/stimulate Maggat supporters to make sure they get wound up enough to go to the polls.

The RepubliCONs have done this, prior to every presidential election, to anger their voters or fence sitters to get out and vote.......


The classically bring up their automatic, go to subjects, every four years......GAYS.......GUNS..........GOD

[Johnny2X2X]

70. Feels like the momentum is still building

Today’s joint rally with Biden to celebrate lower drug prices was incredible. Here they are showing the American people what they did for them while a tanking Trump went on about windmills for an hour at his country club.