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LetMyPeopleVote

(156,305 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 08:52 AM Sep 2024

As 2024 race enters a new stage, the polls come with a caveat

Kamala Harris’ polling lead might be real, but our system makes it easier for Republicans to win the White House, even when they receive fewer votes.



Every time I see a poll showing Harris with a modest lead, I have the same thought:

The electoral college tilts the playing field, and Harris has to try to run up the score to prevent losing, even if she "wins" the popular vote by millions of people.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/2024-race-polls-kamala-harris-donald-trump-presidential-election-rcna169333

But a Politico report from the holiday weekend touched on a detail that’s worth keeping in mind as the data makes the rounds.

Because of Republicans’ advantage in the Electoral College, a race that Harris leads nationally by between 2 and 4 percentage points, on average, is the equivalent of a knife fight in a phone booth, and it’s set to be decided in a smaller-than-usual number of states.


I can appreciate why this might seem counterintuitive. After all, in a normal democratic election in a normal democratic system, candidates who win the most votes prevail. In American presidential elections, it’s vastly more complicated, and candidates who receive fewer votes can — and occasionally do — take office, while candidates who receive more support end up with nothing but disappointment.

It’s one of the reasons 2024 polling that shows Harris with a modest national lead comes with caveats, including one important detail: Trump’s Electoral College advantage is so significant that small polling leads for Harris are, for all intents and purposes, deficits.

Writing for The Washington Post four years ago, Paul Waldman explained: “Turnout projections are running at around 150 million [in 2020], which would mean that ... Biden could win by 3 million to 4.5 million votes and still have less than a 50 percent chance of becoming president.”......

But it’s not quite that simple. In fact, in American history, the candidate who received less public support was declared the winner in five presidential elections, and two of the five instances have happened in the 21st century.

It’s precisely why Harris isn’t popping any champagne in response to polls showing her with modest leads: Even if the surveys are largely accurate, our system makes it easier for Republicans to win the White House, even when they receive fewer votes.

The Democratic candidate will need to try to run up the score, not just to deliver a historic rebuke to a corrupt rival, but to ensure her inauguration.
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Walleye

(36,774 posts)
1. In the 20th and 21st century, the only candidates to have won the presidency, losing the popular vote are Republicans
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:01 AM
Sep 2024

I remember politicians used to be worried about that, because they wouldn’t have a mandate to govern by. Republicans don’t need no stinking mandate.

stopdiggin

(13,118 posts)
2. I think pretty much everyone is aware
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:06 AM
Sep 2024

that Harris must win states - rather than the popular vote. By this point, if someone is still unaware of the EC and its relevance to the WH ... Pretty much living under a rock.

Omnipresent

(6,549 posts)
3. I used to hear that young, new voters...
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:09 AM
Sep 2024

Registering prior to or during this election year, we’re going to tilt the balance of power towards Democrats.
I guess we will have to see if that’s really a thing?

Elessar Zappa

(16,224 posts)
6. We really need Gen Z women to turn out.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:23 AM
Sep 2024

They’re the most liberal generation in history, around 70%+ support Harris. (the men of Gen Z unfortunately are about 50/50 for Trump).

Elessar Zappa

(16,224 posts)
5. I think we'll end up winning the popular vote by 10 million but
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 09:21 AM
Sep 2024

the EC might still be close. Nonetheless, I like our chances.

Polybius

(18,685 posts)
13. You are correct, my mistake
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 12:16 PM
Sep 2024

I still think she wins by 5-7 million votes though but 10 million might happen.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
8. The senate is probably the only one of the three completely fair.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:11 AM
Sep 2024

2 senators per state. They used to be chosen by the state legislature. But changed to popular vote.

CoopersDad

(2,984 posts)
9. By population, the Senate is not fair. California has 68X the population of Wyoming.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 10:23 AM
Sep 2024

I get your point about popular vote for Senators, but Wyoming has 1/68 the population we do but equal power in the Senate.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
10. I sorta see that. But really that's why they made the house
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 11:04 AM
Sep 2024

so that they represent the people. I guess it made sense to them. To have 435 in the house and 435 in the senate would be a lot.

lees1975

(6,173 posts)
14. Polling indicates she is leading in 6 of the 7 battleground states as well.
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 12:25 PM
Sep 2024

But I guess the news media doesn't notice polls its own network doesn't commission.

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