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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAs 2024 race enters a new stage, the polls come with a caveat
Kamala Harris polling lead might be real, but our system makes it easier for Republicans to win the White House, even when they receive fewer votes.
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https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/2024-race-polls-kamala-harris-donald-trump-presidential-election-rcna169333
But a Politico report from the holiday weekend touched on a detail thats worth keeping in mind as the data makes the rounds.
Because of Republicans advantage in the Electoral College, a race that Harris leads nationally by between 2 and 4 percentage points, on average, is the equivalent of a knife fight in a phone booth, and its set to be decided in a smaller-than-usual number of states.
I can appreciate why this might seem counterintuitive. After all, in a normal democratic election in a normal democratic system, candidates who win the most votes prevail. In American presidential elections, its vastly more complicated, and candidates who receive fewer votes can and occasionally do take office, while candidates who receive more support end up with nothing but disappointment.
Its one of the reasons 2024 polling that shows Harris with a modest national lead comes with caveats, including one important detail: Trumps Electoral College advantage is so significant that small polling leads for Harris are, for all intents and purposes, deficits.
Writing for The Washington Post four years ago, Paul Waldman explained: Turnout projections are running at around 150 million [in 2020], which would mean that ... Biden could win by 3 million to 4.5 million votes and still have less than a 50 percent chance of becoming president.......
But its not quite that simple. In fact, in American history, the candidate who received less public support was declared the winner in five presidential elections, and two of the five instances have happened in the 21st century.
Its precisely why Harris isnt popping any champagne in response to polls showing her with modest leads: Even if the surveys are largely accurate, our system makes it easier for Republicans to win the White House, even when they receive fewer votes.
The Democratic candidate will need to try to run up the score, not just to deliver a historic rebuke to a corrupt rival, but to ensure her inauguration.
Walleye
(36,774 posts)I remember politicians used to be worried about that, because they wouldnt have a mandate to govern by. Republicans dont need no stinking mandate.
stopdiggin
(13,118 posts)that Harris must win states - rather than the popular vote. By this point, if someone is still unaware of the EC and its relevance to the WH ... Pretty much living under a rock.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,672 posts)Omnipresent
(6,549 posts)Registering prior to or during this election year, were going to tilt the balance of power towards Democrats.
I guess we will have to see if thats really a thing?
Elessar Zappa
(16,224 posts)Theyre the most liberal generation in history, around 70%+ support Harris. (the men of Gen Z unfortunately are about 50/50 for Trump).
Elessar Zappa
(16,224 posts)the EC might still be close. Nonetheless, I like our chances.
Polybius
(18,685 posts)That should be enough to still win.
Elessar Zappa
(16,224 posts)Polybius
(18,685 posts)I still think she wins by 5-7 million votes though but 10 million might happen.
Wounded Bear
(60,977 posts)jimfields33
(19,382 posts)2 senators per state. They used to be chosen by the state legislature. But changed to popular vote.
CoopersDad
(2,984 posts)I get your point about popular vote for Senators, but Wyoming has 1/68 the population we do but equal power in the Senate.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)so that they represent the people. I guess it made sense to them. To have 435 in the house and 435 in the senate would be a lot.
lees1975
(6,173 posts)But I guess the news media doesn't notice polls its own network doesn't commission.