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SCantiGOP

(14,709 posts)
6. Or it could be
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:18 PM
Sep 2024

That this country doesn’t put Presidential candidates in jail weeks before the election.

SCantiGOP

(14,709 posts)
17. Absurd question
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 11:21 AM
Sep 2024

The discussion was about revoking bail
on an unrelated charge because of comments made in a political campaign.
There will be ample time to hold
accountable after the election.

 

Mr.WeRP

(1,098 posts)
10. Only probable cause of a crime is reaquired
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:39 PM
Sep 2024

If Smith brought this to Chutkin, she would only need probable cause to revoke bond.

onenote

(46,123 posts)
12. Maybe the reason he hasn't brought it Chutkan is that he doesn't think there is probable cause
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:55 PM
Sep 2024

Proving Trump incited the threats against Haitians in Springfield probably is a non-starter First Amendment-wise.

 

Mr.WeRP

(1,098 posts)
13. This is BOND violation... Smith doesn't have to prove anything. I mean, we all saw what happened
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 12:09 AM
Sep 2024

And there is no denying Trump made shit up about Springfield, and either negligently or maliciously, didn’t care about the repercussions which we all knew were coming.

Invasion of Nazis in Springfield,
Bomb Threats closing schools and government buildings,
Disruption of the peace of the people in Springfield
Encouraging hate against a race of people in a specific location

We only need probably cause to put him behind bars pending trial, at this moment.

onenote

(46,123 posts)
15. He has to convince the court there is probable cause. He almost certainly doesn't think there is.
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 12:38 AM
Sep 2024

The first three things you cites are indeed crimes. But Trump did not commit them himself nor did he "incite" them as that legal term is applied consistent with first amendment.

There's a reason that the January 6 indictment doesn't charge Trump with "incitement" -- in fact the word incite or incitement never appears in the indictment.

As for "encouraging hate against a race of people in a specific location" -- not a federal crime. https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/learn-about-hate-crimes

 

Mr.WeRP

(1,098 posts)
16. He need not prove, convince or otherwise...
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 07:57 AM
Sep 2024

The judge need simply “find” that there is probable cause. For a self-proclaimed attorney, you seem to like using words that mean the same thing as legal terms and use them instead when losing an argument.

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