Well, it's over folks. MSNBC says Harris campaign is failing

[Mr.WeRP]

Of course this is the noon hour.

But they had Kasich on saying the campaign has failed because Harris went into preemptive defense when they didn’t have the lead. And he said “Who is Liz Cheney? She represents no one”

I swear, MSNBC is almost as bad as the NYT.

They are attempting to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Allowing Kasich to spout off as if Harris has failed without challenging him is journalistic malpractice. Wait.. what am I thinking.. journalism is on life support in this country.

Rant off.

[XanaDUer2]

1. I started watching Jim Acosta

Nt

[debm55]

69. I like him, He is not afraid to go toe to toe with the Maga

[XanaDUer2]

70. No, he's not

And I've seen more fact checking and pushback on CNN. MSNBC daytime just isn't doing it for me anymore

[Fiendish Thingy]

2. Watching MSNBC before Nicolle comes on is a waste of time. Nt

[Attilatheblond]

27. And bad for one's blood pressure

[Kaleva]

3. I wonder why people here are glued to a channel few in the nation watch

[FakeNoose]

54. Maybe because CNN and Faux Noise are so much worse?

[Kaleva]

75. Not many watch those either

[SeanHG]

4. Horserace

Gotta keep the rubes scared, or they don't get the clicks. Nobody clicks when it's gonna be a blowout. Clicks be money, and money is what the lamestream media needs.

Ignore the clickbait shiite...

[PlanetBev]

5. I know, right?

They said she is slipping in North Carolina because of the hurricanes. Really? I didn’t know she caused them.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

11. Her magic Sharpie

[SocialDemocrat61]

58. Democrats have a weather control machine

According to MTG.

[lees1975]

6. Preemptive defense when they didn't have the lead?

But, they have the lead. But it's Kasich. Ignore and move on. Republican.

[Wednesdays]

13. Oh yeah, Kasich. Tell me again, how many elections has he won since 2015?

Oh yeah, none. He wouldn't win a thing today. The Democrats would never support him, and the MAGAt Party wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher.

[LAS14]

7. We're lucky to have news outlets that try to show us what both sides are thinking.

That's not the same as both-siderism.

[Keepthesoulalive]

12. How about the truth

We don’t need propaganda from our news outlets. That’s why people are choosing alternate media sources.

[LAS14]

21. How can we find out what the other side is saying (as we need to do) if...

... whenever we're told about it, it's called propoganda?

[Jmb 4 Harris-Walz]

25. I totally agree with you. We must be told both sides to know how serious this election is.

Ignorance has never and will never be bliss!

[MotownPgh]

26. Watch fox or any other right wing channel

[Keepthesoulalive]

30. Who cares about the other side

Trump is a liar a cheat and a felon let’s add racist, adulterer , con man, grifter did I miss any of the other thou shall nots. There is nothing to find out and the traditional media sane washes him. Democratic Underground was founded because we were being fed bs by lame stream media. I am not going back and neither is VP Harris, she is giving the media the attention it deserves, not much.

[hlthe2b]

8. Kasich is a f..ing Trojan Horse enabled by Andrea and the Tur(d)...

The three need to be off the air for the next two weeks (Katy can join her disgraced husband from CBS)...

[ScratchCat]

9. Trump is MSNBC's cash cow

They haven't stopped talking about him for one day since January 21, 2021. Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter... every single day there was at least one segment on Trump. They are the "All Trump, All The Time" network. Half the talking heads are Republicans pretending to not be Republicans. If you think they want anyone but Trump to win, well, you haven't been paying attention.

[Deminpenn]

32. There is truth to this

except it goes back to Nov 2016.

[Island Blue]

39. It goes back to whenever it was

that he rode down that damn escalator, spewing hate out of his mouth.

[Magoo48]

55. If it's corporate, for profit, and owned by the morbidly rich,

it’s manipulated, censored, lies.

[uponit7771]

63. +1, they know not to give TFGs ridiculousness any air and the constantly do

[maxsolomon]

10. Kasich is a Repuke COMMENTATOR offering his OPINION.

MSNBC didn't "say" that. Asshole "Moderate" Republican Kasich did.

You know the difference between opinion and reporting, too.

[angrychair]

18. An unchallenged opinion

That is not couched as opinion but as reporting.
Fuck Republicans. So tired of news organizations and websites platforming these assholes as if their opinions on the Democratic Party is more valid than actual fucking Democrats.

If you are a Republican or old school Democratic Party traditionalist like Carville or Axelrod, your opinion is literally meaningless to me.
These people bring nothing of value on how to run a presidential campaign in 2024. There are ZERO similarities between the America of Bill Clinton or Bush Sr. and today.

[maxsolomon]

22. No, it's not "couched" as reporting. Former Gov. Kasish is clearly a commentator.

Like you, many DUers don't think they should see ANY Repukes on their TV talking about anything. That's just not realistic for "mainstream" Cable Channels.

[Cirsium]

31. They give these people a platform

They give these people a platform, disproportionate to the value they bring to the discussion and the importance or relevance of their opinions, and they do a piss poor job of challenging them. This goes on blatantly, day after day.

[maxsolomon]

33. What would you do if you were MSNBC, or CNN?

Find a different "moderate" Repuke to offer a non-Bizarro World view? Forego GQP guests entirely?

[Cirsium]

38. That's easy

Stop giving liars a platform.

[maxsolomon]

49. You know that Repukes actually believe some of the things they say, right?

It's not easy. MSNBC and CNN have to struggle to find Repukes that aren't pathological liars. They've settled on Kasich. Deal or change the channel.

If you really want to be appalled, watch an interview with any Repuke Senator. 100x worse. They live on Earth 2.

[Cirsium]

67. We know that they don't

We know that or the most part they don't believe the things they say.

Politics is not about personal choice, it isn't shopping. Ergo, "deal or change the channel" doesn't apply. By "change the channel" do you mean to say that it is merely a personal choice issue and not a serious social and political issue?? By "deal" do you mean accept this state of affairs and keep quiet about it?

[maxsolomon]

71. I mean accept that MSNBC is going to have Kasich on. He may or may not lie/spin.

He may or may not believe everything he says. He certainly won't back down. "Never back down" is the only credo Repukes live by.

MSNBC & CNN are going to have representatives from "both sides". As policy, they do not want to be openly partisan, although they're going to be accused of it, just like the nefarious NYT, by both sides.

If you can't deal with it, go ahead, post on DU implying that paid commentor opinions are the official reportage of the station. Post that a guest editorial in the NYT is Arthur Sulzberger putting a thumb on the scale. I can't stop you.

[Cirsium]

73. This is not about me

What is this "if you can't deal with it?" I am dealing with it, the way I chose to deal with it, by criticizing the platforming of liars.

I didn't say "paid commenter opinions are the official reportage of the station" and I wouldn't say that. I didn't say that "a guest editorial in the NYT is Arthur Sulzberger putting a thumb on the scale."

Yes, I know that MSNBC & CNN are going to have representatives from "both sides". If that policy means giving equal time to liars, then it is time for us to criticize that policy.

[Bev54]

77. Yep CNN got rid of him and MSNBC picked him up

CNN also rid themselves of Chris Cillizza as well and now I see him on MSNBC. They are picking up the losers from CNN.

[LexVegas]

14. How does one idiotic take from an idiot guest become "MSNBC says"?

It's like shitting on MSNBC is a way to make your bones on here lately.

[arlyellowdog]

16. Yes, I really don't like that headline

Honestly, I believed it and just thought, “Ok I don’t want to get more depressed,” so I didn’t read. But I went back and it was a guest! For Christ’s sakes. Nobody needs this.

[maxsolomon]

17. Or the NYT,

or WaPo, or "the Media". It's not difficult: guest commentary is not the official opinion of the news organization.

I get that hearing anything on TV from a lying Repuke when we're teetering on the brink of Autocracy may be upsetting, but providing a diversity of opinions is what "the Media" HAS TO DO.

[Cirsium]

37. Diversity of opinions?

We are talking about lying, not different opinions. Is that not obvious at this point?

[maxsolomon]

48. "It's not a lie if you believe it"

-George Costanza

[SocialDemocrat61]

41. No

The news media has no obligation to provide a “diversity of opinions”. They have only one obligation, to tell the truth.

[iemanja]

46. Some demand that the media present only their political views and agendas

and if they diverge from that through a single story or guest, they are the enemy. I find the constant whining ridiculous.
They complain about broadcast media but continue to subsidize them by watching it 24/7. Why is the TV on at noon anyway?

[maxsolomon]

47. I think retirees get hooked.

Personally, the less MSNBC in my life the better.

I prefer Antiques Roadshow.

[Cirsium]

34. It would be more honest

It would be more honest if MSNBC did openly express right wing talking points, rather than just giving those talking points endless air time and then playing innocent. Randomly turn on MSNBC or CNN and the odds of hearing a Republican talking are extremely high. They often go on and on and on with little serious push back.

Of course I am biased. I don't like liars.

[Stuckinthebush]

64. Thank you for saying it!

It's getting ridiculous. MSNBC is great. Yes, they have annoying guests and the occasional annoying comments from hosts. But, damn, I'm glad they are in the Dem's corner.

[Buzz cook]

15. Kasich is concern trolling

Funny how he advised against putting money into the Texas senate race just as it started tilting democratic.

[MotownPgh]

29. These are just homeless repubs

making $$ off dems. Like the bulwark people, the Lincoln project, Michael Steele, even nicole. They can't make money as repubs anymore.
If republican party somehow went back to "normal" they'd switch right back to attacking dems

[republianmushroom]

19. Another so called 'news media' that is just an entertainment business.

[Tribetime]

20. Kasich should focus on the real threat to democracy..

And the Sanewashing of a lunatic senile 80 year old.

[Johonny]

23. The GOP blowing off the Cheney voters

Is how they failed 2018 through 2022. So I'm glad to hear them keep blowing them off as insignificant.

[DrivingOnThe Left]

24. They need to keep selling Viagra, diabetes pills and insurance during those breaks...

...and their only way of doing this is to scare the living daylights out of you 24/7. Best to turn them off completely till Election day.

[maxsolomon]

36. Bluechew, baby!

A sane opinion. Welcome to DU.

[samsingh]

28. i switch the tv off when the msnbc noon hour idiots come on. kaisich is the most useful imbecile

out there. he has no courage and does nothing.

[Deminpenn]

35. Kasich?

Is that rwnj in moderate sheep's clothing even relevant to anything anymore?

[Duncan Grant]

40. What is a pundit's job? What do they have to do to stay employable?

To me, pundits are like unfunny stand-up comics. They write a talking point or two, they rehearse, and then — they perform. As far as substantive politics go, most of them are like garlic-flavored cotton candy.

(I’m not talking about hosts like Rachel Maddow, you know who I mean.)

[I_UndergroundPanther]

45. Garlic flavored cotton candy

I can’t get that taste out of my imagination. Then my imagination made it worse

Anchovy flavored cotton candy.

[RidinWithHarris]

42. Correction: One MSNBC guest said Harris's campaign is failing at one particular goal

I’m not going to say MSNBC’s coverage, or anyone else’s, is perfect, but damn, a lot of DUers seem desperate to find reasons to be offended.

[MineralMan]

44. Exactly. Some folks are always ready to jump on any negative thing they can find.

And here we are again...

[MineralMan]

43. I'm sorry, but are you an expert on interpreting news programs?

Maybe so, but I haven't seen any evidence of that here.

Maybe you could background us a little on your expertise...

[bif]

50. Just have to get that NYT dig in, eh?

[maxsolomon]

51. Those usually come from someone who doesn't, and has never, subscribed.

The whining is tiresome. Wonder if those attacking "the Media" know that Repukes do it all day long, too?

[Jrsygrl96]

52. I turned it off

They must have heard something, because Katy Turd seems especially jovial today. I used to like John Kasich. He is nothing but a Debbie Downer these days. Perhaps he’s gone maga too.

[VMA131Marine]

53. It's a long way from one politically biased commentator

saying the Harris campaign has failed to assigning that view to an entire network. Change the MSNBC in your title to “Kasich” because that would be accurate. What you wrote is just fear-mongering.

Just remember that nobody believed Cassandra anyway.

In any case there are more than a few positive signs for the Harris campaign, the most obvious one being the huge turnout in early voting which almost always skews heavily Democratic.

[Charmin One]

56. Going on FOX is "defense"???

WTAF!

[Judi Lynn]

57. I disregard anything Kasich slithers forth to say in public. He's unbearably sleazy.

https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/

John Kasich makes play for the misogynist vote: He wants women out of the doctor's office and into the kitchen

John Kasich slashes Planned Parenthood funding on the same day he gives a speech mentioning women in their kitchens

By Amanda Marcotte
Senior Writer

Published February 22, 2016 7:02PM (EST)


Gov. John Kasich is still in the race and still trying to frame himself as the moderate, compassionate Republican, but on Monday, the governor issued two glaring reminders of his very un-moderate contempt for women. During a campaign event, in a video that went viral almost instantaneously, Kasich made a comment about his female supporters that was as bizarrely unnecessary as it was condescending.

"How did I get elected?" Kasich said. "I didn't have anybody for me. We just got an army of people, and many women who left their kitchens to go out and to go door to door to put up yard signs for me." He did not specify if they untied their aprons or put on their shoes.

Later, a woman in the audience decided to confront him, sort of, on this. "I'll support you," she said. "But I won't be coming out of the kitchen."

"I gotcha," he replied. It read like a morality play about life as a female conservative, an on-the-nose illustration of how you'll never get anything more than condescending head pats if you keep supporting men who refuse to offer basic respect in return.

The whole thing would just be a comical distraction, if it weren't for the fact that Kasich applies this loathing for female independence to his policy choices. The same day he was spinning out this fantasy of women living a kitchen-centric lifestyle, he also signed a bill drastically slashing access to affordable contraception services for women in his state.

More:
https://www.salon.com/2016/02/22/john_kasich_makes_play_for_the_misogynist_vote_he_wants_women_out_of_the_doctors_office_and_into_the_kitchen/

[wiggs]

62. Yes. When he was campaigning I watched interviews. Not as normal as first impression, IMHO. Weird dude. nt

[sky_masterson]

59. What they fail to see is that Liz is a permission slip

Even though she and Kamala have little in common politically, She knows how dangerous Trump is.
She is there mainly for Republican wives.
I live in Kansas, we have had 2 Democratic Governors , both Female.
There aren't enough Dems to elect a Male Governor here, but a Female somehow can do it.
It's the wives.
THIS is what Liz is giving us.

[Mad_Machine76]

60. Well gee

I guess if Kasich says it, it must be true!

[SocialDemocrat61]

61. Was Kasich presented as

an analyst or as a commentator?

[LiberalFighter]

65. Don't judge all of MSNBC on a few segments.

Noon hour is that out of touch Andrea Mitchell. John Kasich is also a shithead.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

66. So John Kasich

speaks for all of MSNBC ?

[Iris]

68. Has cable news ever been considered real journalism?

I've never paid much attention to it and always
thought it was just entertainment mostly.

[BigDemVoter]

72. I have been noticing bullshit like this from them lately. . . .

[Rebl2]

74. Why I

never watch msnbc any longer.

[brush]

76. I learned to think just the opposite of anything Kasich says.

He's just a rethug poser pretending to be impartial.

[Initech]

78. Shit like this is why I haven't watched the news since 2010.

And I'll continue to boycott.