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DO YOU AGREE WITH JOHN DEAN?
Former Nixon lawyer John Dean says Biden should pardon anyone that Trump has stated to target when he returns to the White House. This includes Robert Mueller, Jack Smith, several federal judges, the Obamas and Clintons.
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doc03
(36,957 posts)Baitball Blogger
(48,427 posts)Biden already showed his hand by giving Hunter a pardon. He knows that Trump is going to weaponize the criminal justice department to destroy dissent in this country and destroy opposition.
He needs to boost the immunity of reporters and those who tried to fight the good fight, if we're going to have anyone left to fight this battle.
johnnyfins
(1,481 posts)Passages
(1,430 posts)Why not?
Mike 03
(17,363 posts)I sincerely want to see every one of these people pardoned.
Kash Patel's enemies list was posted here a day or two ago.
There's a second guy who has flown under most peoples' radar: a former Green Beret (he claims--I find only "Army reservist" ) named Ivan Raiklin. Earlier this year, Raiklin declared himself the "Secretary of Retribution."
I've been unable to locate a complete copy of Raiklin's list. He claims there are more than 300 names on his list. Incredibly, it contains the Capitol Hill police officers who have testified about the events of January 6, 2021. His modus operandi will be to rely on "Constitutional Sheriffs" to help him round up people on his list.
Conservative political activist Ivan Raiklin claims to have assembled a Deep State target list that includes high-ranking Democrats and Republicans, U.S. Capitol Police officers, officials at the FBI and other intelligence agencies, witnesses in Trumps impeachment trials, and journalists at The New York Times, CNN, The Washington Post, and other news outlets. Their supposed crime? Being Trumps political enemies. And Raiklin views himself as justice incarnate.
https://newrepublic.com/post/183652/trump-ally-exposed-horrific-hit-list-political-enemies
It's hard to tell if Raiklin is a General Flynn-style nutcase just blowing smoke or someone Trump could possibly rely on to pinpoint "enemies."
I would like for as many of these lists to be made public, so we can assess exactly who they intend to persecute.
Sogo
(5,840 posts)Pardons should also include Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Jaimie Raskin, Alexander Vindman, Kamala Harris, Tim Walz, Joe and Jill Biden, Gavin Newsom, Daniel Goldman, all the military officers involved in Afghanistan withdrawal who Trump is targeting, probably many other people. and anyone on Kash Patel's.
dalton99a
(84,881 posts)NotHardly
(1,365 posts)liberalgunwilltravel
(564 posts)SCOTUS has given Biden the power to remove Trump and anyone that threatens our republic. Why shouldn't he use it?
usaf-vet
(7,017 posts)GreenWave
(9,442 posts)oldmanlynn
(510 posts)Will dems continue bringing spoons to the gun fight or will we start realizing we are in a serious fight.
barbtries
(29,950 posts)A lot of people will be put in great risk once he's installed. A lot of injustice. It's scary for me, I can only imagine what they're going through.
lark
(24,339 posts)Anyone not pardonned will be prosecuted, count on it.
WestMichRad
(1,884 posts)While I surely agree with the sentiment expressed in this thread, just think how the same approach would be used 4 years from now. Massive criming followed by blanket pardons equals no hope of accountability for any of their illegal actions.
Are we totally giving up on being a lawful nation now?
Nasruddin
(866 posts)The laws are different, for now.
No abstract law or blind justice, its association and money.
Wuddles440
(1,437 posts)I believe the answer to your question would unfortunately be an affirmative. Once they gained control of the judicial system, we no longer were a nation of laws administered and judged impartially. We're now a failed state governed by what can only be described as an organized crime syndicate. You're also assuming there's a possibility that our democracy still exists and they would peacefully relinquish power if the citizenry determined that a change was necessary through a free and fair election. I believe that such an opportunity may no longer exist. They've been planning this hijacking of our democracy for decades and, now that they've achieved their ultimate goal, they're not going to squander it without a massive struggle.
WestMichRad
(1,884 posts)
and will continue in some (distorted) form 4 years from now. I am hopeful.
WOW. I thought I was a pessimist!
Wuddles440
(1,437 posts)just a realist and plan accordingly.
kentuck
(112,957 posts)John Dean is exactly right.
When someone has said what they are going to do and it is wrong and evil, you have a moral obligation to try and stop it.
These folks on the "enemies" list were not on a "witch hunt. Trump and his gang of misfits and criminals are up to no good. If Biden can stop them with a blanket pardon, then he should do it.
In another time, under different circumstances, it would have been wrong to pardon his son. However, this is not one of those times.
Nasruddin
(866 posts)Everyone in this administration, and in all prior administrations with living presidents. Perhaps a proclamation of pardon for any and all offenses during their periods in government service. Trump included. Restart the clock. Oh and before I forget - the Supreme Court justices.
Then he should consider pardons and commutations for everyone convicted of a federal offense. There may be some exceptions but clearing out the potential pardon petitioners removes a massive grifting opportunity (probably already exercised) and emptying out the prisons gives Kash something to worry about and work on once his plans are cut short.
Joinfortmill
(16,621 posts)I don't know where this ends. Not sure the pardons will hold.
Upthevibe
(9,249 posts)tonekat
(2,051 posts)A blanket pardon for the entire Democratic populace would be nice.
Iggo
(48,526 posts)This has gotten ridiculous.
calimary
(84,606 posts)LaMouffette
(2,294 posts)this to show how easy it is to abuse the presidential power to pardon. If you think what I'm doing (and what Trump did in his first term and intends to do in his second term) is wrong, then when the Trump regime takes over in January, CHANGE the damn law to give Congress the power to veto presidential pardons with a simple majority vote and with the vote taken secretly so that the cowardly Republicans might actually find a conscience and a spine and vote against pardoning drug dealers and Russian agents and violent criminals!"
LetMyPeopleVote
(155,514 posts)I remember the Nixon's enemies list. My high school civics teacher/debate coach made sure that we all saw this list. There as a joke that not being on the list was an actual insult by Nixon
There are some republicans on this list
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