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Mr. Sparkle

(3,149 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 10:44 AM Dec 3

Former Nixon lawyer John Dean says Biden should pardon anyone that Trump has stated to target when he returns to power

DO YOU AGREE WITH JOHN DEAN?

Former Nixon lawyer John Dean says Biden should pardon anyone that Trump has stated to target when he returns to the White House. This includes Robert Mueller, Jack Smith, several federal judges, the Obamas and Clintons.


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Former Nixon lawyer John Dean says Biden should pardon anyone that Trump has stated to target when he returns to power (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Dec 3 OP
Yep anyone he has publicly threatened. nt doc03 Dec 3 #1
Agree WiVoter Dec 3 #2
Yes. We are at war. Baitball Blogger Dec 3 #3
I think he will johnnyfins Dec 3 #13
Something to think about and discuss with constitutional experts/scholars. Passages Dec 3 #4
There are at least two Enemies lists, and likely more Mike 03 Dec 3 #5
I agree 1000%! Sogo Dec 3 #6
Absolutely. dalton99a Dec 3 #7
Agreed. Trump has released the "hit list", just do it for everyone on that list. NotHardly Dec 3 #8
SCOTUS has given permission liberalgunwilltravel Dec 3 #9
Exactly! he has immunity if it fall within his powers as president. DO IT! A BLANKET PARDON usaf-vet Dec 3 #10
Yes Remove him from the planet! GreenWave Dec 3 #26
I agree with this. oldmanlynn Dec 3 #11
i do agree with him. barbtries Dec 3 #12
I'm on Deans' side, Biden should pardon all the prosecutors, media & legislators who stood up to tsf including himself, lark Dec 3 #14
This would set an ugly precedent WestMichRad Dec 3 #15
The answer is yes Nasruddin Dec 3 #18
As painful as it is to say,... Wuddles440 Dec 3 #22
Yes, I think there's a possibility that our democracy still exists WestMichRad Dec 3 #24
Not really a pessimist... Wuddles440 Dec 3 #25
No time to be politically correct... kentuck Dec 3 #16
He should pardon everyone Nasruddin Dec 3 #17
He's going to try to go full throttle fascist. Joinfortmill Dec 3 #19
I agree. n/t Upthevibe Dec 3 #20
Absolutely! Do it now! tonekat Dec 3 #21
Agree ellemb Dec 3 #23
Jeezus. Iggo Dec 3 #27
Works for me! calimary Dec 3 #28
I agree 1,000 percent! And when the Repubs in Congress throw their hissy fit, Biden should say, "Look, I'm only doing LaMouffette Dec 3 #29
Here is a starting list of people that President Biden may want to pardon LetMyPeopleVote Dec 3 #30

Baitball Blogger

(48,427 posts)
3. Yes. We are at war.
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 11:02 AM
Dec 3

Biden already showed his hand by giving Hunter a pardon. He knows that Trump is going to weaponize the criminal justice department to destroy dissent in this country and destroy opposition.

He needs to boost the immunity of reporters and those who tried to fight the good fight, if we're going to have anyone left to fight this battle.

Mike 03

(17,363 posts)
5. There are at least two Enemies lists, and likely more
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 11:09 AM
Dec 3

I sincerely want to see every one of these people pardoned.

Kash Patel's enemies list was posted here a day or two ago.

There's a second guy who has flown under most peoples' radar: a former Green Beret (he claims--I find only "Army reservist" ) named Ivan Raiklin. Earlier this year, Raiklin declared himself the "Secretary of Retribution."

I've been unable to locate a complete copy of Raiklin's list. He claims there are more than 300 names on his list. Incredibly, it contains the Capitol Hill police officers who have testified about the events of January 6, 2021. His modus operandi will be to rely on "Constitutional Sheriffs" to help him round up people on his list.

Donald Trump’s self-proclaimed “secretary of retribution” is touting a wild plan to arrest politicians, police officers, and journalists he views as disloyal to the former president, according to a sweeping new investigation by Raw Story.

Conservative political activist Ivan Raiklin claims to have assembled a “Deep State target list” that includes high-ranking Democrats and Republicans, U.S. Capitol Police officers, officials at the FBI and other intelligence agencies, witnesses in Trump’s impeachment trials, and journalists at The New York Times, CNN, The Washington Post, and other news outlets. Their supposed crime? Being Trump’s political enemies. And Raiklin views himself as justice incarnate.


https://newrepublic.com/post/183652/trump-ally-exposed-horrific-hit-list-political-enemies

It's hard to tell if Raiklin is a General Flynn-style nutcase just blowing smoke or someone Trump could possibly rely on to pinpoint "enemies."

I would like for as many of these lists to be made public, so we can assess exactly who they intend to persecute.


Sogo

(5,840 posts)
6. I agree 1000%!
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 12:13 PM
Dec 3

Pardons should also include Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Jaimie Raskin, Alexander Vindman, Kamala Harris, Tim Walz, Joe and Jill Biden, Gavin Newsom, Daniel Goldman, all the military officers involved in Afghanistan withdrawal who Trump is targeting, probably many other people. and anyone on Kash Patel's.

9. SCOTUS has given permission
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 12:18 PM
Dec 3

SCOTUS has given Biden the power to remove Trump and anyone that threatens our republic. Why shouldn't he use it?

oldmanlynn

(510 posts)
11. I agree with this.
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 12:30 PM
Dec 3

Will dems continue bringing spoons to the gun fight or will we start realizing we are in a serious fight.

barbtries

(29,950 posts)
12. i do agree with him.
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 12:38 PM
Dec 3

A lot of people will be put in great risk once he's installed. A lot of injustice. It's scary for me, I can only imagine what they're going through.

lark

(24,339 posts)
14. I'm on Deans' side, Biden should pardon all the prosecutors, media & legislators who stood up to tsf including himself,
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 12:54 PM
Dec 3

Anyone not pardonned will be prosecuted, count on it.

WestMichRad

(1,884 posts)
15. This would set an ugly precedent
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 12:57 PM
Dec 3

While I surely agree with the sentiment expressed in this thread, just think how the same approach would be used 4 years from now. Massive criming followed by blanket pardons equals no hope of accountability for any of their illegal actions.

Are we totally giving up on being a lawful nation now?

Nasruddin

(866 posts)
18. The answer is yes
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 01:06 PM
Dec 3

The laws are different, for now.
No abstract law or blind justice, it’s association and money.

Wuddles440

(1,437 posts)
22. As painful as it is to say,...
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 01:24 PM
Dec 3

I believe the answer to your question would unfortunately be an affirmative. Once they gained control of the judicial system, we no longer were a nation of laws administered and judged impartially. We're now a failed state governed by what can only be described as an organized crime syndicate. You're also assuming there's a possibility that our democracy still exists and they would peacefully relinquish power if the citizenry determined that a change was necessary through a free and fair election. I believe that such an opportunity may no longer exist. They've been planning this hijacking of our democracy for decades and, now that they've achieved their ultimate goal, they're not going to squander it without a massive struggle.

WestMichRad

(1,884 posts)
24. Yes, I think there's a possibility that our democracy still exists
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 02:53 PM
Dec 3

… and will continue in some (distorted) form 4 years from now. I am hopeful.

WOW. I thought I was a pessimist!

kentuck

(112,957 posts)
16. No time to be politically correct...
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 01:02 PM
Dec 3

John Dean is exactly right.

When someone has said what they are going to do and it is wrong and evil, you have a moral obligation to try and stop it.

These folks on the "enemies" list were not on a "witch hunt. Trump and his gang of misfits and criminals are up to no good. If Biden can stop them with a blanket pardon, then he should do it.

In another time, under different circumstances, it would have been wrong to pardon his son. However, this is not one of those times.

Nasruddin

(866 posts)
17. He should pardon everyone
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 01:03 PM
Dec 3

Everyone in this administration, and in all prior administrations with living presidents. Perhaps a proclamation of pardon for any and all offenses during their periods in government service. Trump included. Restart the clock. Oh and before I forget - the Supreme Court justices.

Then he should consider pardons and commutations for everyone convicted of a federal offense. There may be some exceptions but clearing out the potential pardon petitioners removes a massive grifting opportunity (probably already exercised) and emptying out the prisons gives Kash something to worry about and work on once his plans are cut short.

Joinfortmill

(16,621 posts)
19. He's going to try to go full throttle fascist.
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 01:08 PM
Dec 3

I don't know where this ends. Not sure the pardons will hold.

LaMouffette

(2,294 posts)
29. I agree 1,000 percent! And when the Repubs in Congress throw their hissy fit, Biden should say, "Look, I'm only doing
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 04:08 PM
Dec 3

this to show how easy it is to abuse the presidential power to pardon. If you think what I'm doing (and what Trump did in his first term and intends to do in his second term) is wrong, then when the Trump regime takes over in January, CHANGE the damn law to give Congress the power to veto presidential pardons with a simple majority vote and with the vote taken secretly so that the cowardly Republicans might actually find a conscience and a spine and vote against pardoning drug dealers and Russian agents and violent criminals!"

LetMyPeopleVote

(155,514 posts)
30. Here is a starting list of people that President Biden may want to pardon
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 08:44 PM
Dec 3

I remember the Nixon's enemies list. My high school civics teacher/debate coach made sure that we all saw this list. There as a joke that not being on the list was an actual insult by Nixon

There are some republicans on this list






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