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Newt winning tonight is great. But Romney will easily win the nomination. (Original Post) Logical Jan 2012 OP
and none of the voters likes Mitt Enrique Jan 2012 #1
I believe both will fall. roguevalley Jan 2012 #16
I will sit back and enjoy the Rovian campaign against Newty Kingofalldems Jan 2012 #2
but the bloodletting continues Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #3
ROBME? mazzarro Jan 2012 #14
It's just Newt's time to "surge". femmocrat Jan 2012 #4
It's all perception. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #5
Don't be sure oberliner Jan 2012 #6
The "GOP leadership" seems to be the extreme right wing. They also like Newt's style- AlinPA Jan 2012 #7
Will force mitt to spend a ton of money marlakay Jan 2012 #8
You have overlooked the increasingly obvious alternative, neither will get it. grantcart Jan 2012 #9
To have a brokered convention no candidate must have the required number of total delegates. DCBob Jan 2012 #21
In the past they had winner take all primaries grantcart Jan 2012 #23
No doubt the proportional primaries could have an impact. DCBob Jan 2012 #24
Chuck Todd, what are you doing wasting time on DU! You have work to do on the teevee.... Rowdyboy Jan 2012 #10
Here is the key - the first ballot at the convention underpants Jan 2012 #11
Newt could do a write in campaign in Virginia. Make his name "Newt G." joshcryer Jan 2012 #17
No write ins allowed in the Va primary underpants Jan 2012 #19
Oh wow, epic fail, thanks for the correction. joshcryer Jan 2012 #20
I think Newt Thrill Jan 2012 #12
I don't know, think his negatives are too large. Logical Jan 2012 #15
The R base doesn't like Romney for several reasons. If Newt can stay well-enough financed, he can RBInMaine Jan 2012 #13
The First Rule of GOP Fight Club... Yavin4 Jan 2012 #18
Be careful in dismissing him. He is toxic and many people like that. nt mfcorey1 Jan 2012 #22

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
16. I believe both will fall.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:04 AM
Jan 2012

Everyone forgets that its people voting. They can't choose and make it happen. This vote should confirm that.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
3. but the bloodletting continues
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 09:54 PM
Jan 2012

Only the (R)s could have called ROBME out on his taxes. If we did it he could have dismissed it as socialists attacking success.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
5. It's all perception.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 09:57 PM
Jan 2012

Romney's starting to tank in Florida. If he can't change things around there, I'm not sure he's got a large enough base of committed supporters to change the momentum that's now on Newt's candidacy. He's going to have to go negative big time on Newt in Florida...he needs to knock him out or Mitt's chances for grabbing the nomination start to collapse.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
7. The "GOP leadership" seems to be the extreme right wing. They also like Newt's style-
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 09:58 PM
Jan 2012

talk tough, attack the media and debate moderators. It worked in SC. FL republicans will love it.

marlakay

(11,457 posts)
8. Will force mitt to spend a ton of money
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:01 PM
Jan 2012

And newt has been great at tearing mitt apart stuff Obama team will love to use...it's a win win for our team.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. You have overlooked the increasingly obvious alternative, neither will get it.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:10 PM
Jan 2012

Nobody in the GOP leadership likes Romney either.


He has NO personal ties to the top.

He hasn't gone around the country helping to elect Congressman and making Lincoln day parties.


Both of them are in it for themselves.


When Romney returned to UTAH to make a speech for Senator Bennett at last years state convention he was booed off the stage, and that was UTAH.


You will start seeing 'favorite' sons, and draft alternatives for the convention.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
21. To have a brokered convention no candidate must have the required number of total delegates.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 09:28 AM
Jan 2012

I suspect one or the other Mitt or Grinch will begin to get some momentum after Florida, depending on who wins, and will likely run the table. So how can they have a brokered convention if a candidate has the votes?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
23. In the past they had winner take all primaries
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jan 2012

Now with 29 proportional primaries it will be impossible to gather a majority.

In the past someone would win a few and get an insurmountable win, also they would have a money problem. Citizens United changed all of that.

People forget that last time Hucakbee didn't drop out when he was defeated he kept running until McCain had an absolute majority.

Now with speakers fees and TV contracts on FOX at stake there is no incentive for anyone to get out. Paul isn't going to quit and neither is Gingrich, he already has shown that he will take any insult and keep on coming.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
24. No doubt the proportional primaries could have an impact.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 03:16 PM
Jan 2012

I have not looked that closely at the math. You may well be right. We shall see.

underpants

(182,794 posts)
11. Here is the key - the first ballot at the convention
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:13 PM
Jan 2012

after the first ballot the states' rule differ but some or all of the delegates will be released to vote how they want to.

That is where Newt can make a run at Romney. The rest of the south could vote either one in (most likely -oddly - the Catholic Newt not the Mormon Mitt) but they probably won't.
But they might. Of course, Newt can't can't get his a$$ wiping organized enough to get himself on the ballot in Virginia which is hilarious.

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joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
17. Newt could do a write in campaign in Virginia. Make his name "Newt G."
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:08 AM
Jan 2012

It worked in Alaska with Lisa Murkowski's win. She had people writing in "Lisa M."

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
13. The R base doesn't like Romney for several reasons. If Newt can stay well-enough financed, he can
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:46 PM
Jan 2012

beat Mittens in FL. If THAT happens, Mittens is TOAST. FL is where it gets seriously interesting. But so much of it comes down to money. Newt has to be able to finance the organization needed to win in a huge state like FL, and Mittens has the cash. Also, if Santorum and Grampy Paul stay in hard, it could continue to divide the R base which helps Mittens. I can say this. Romney will go scorched Earth on Newt, and Newt, unlike in Iowa, will go scorched Earth right back and harder. GET READY FOR A RUMBLE. GONNA BE FUN.

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