Please stop blaming specific demographic from the democratic party groups for Trumps 2nd Presidency!

[werdna]

Look at the numbers.
2020: Biden 81,268,867 , Trump 74,216,747 .
2024: Trump 77,302,580 , Harris 75,017,613 .
Trump gained # million new votes over 2020. Where did they come from?
Harris had almost 6 million votes fewer than Biden in 2020. Where did they go?

Did 6 million workers alone not vote for Harris? 6 million youth alone? Lgbqt+ alone? Women alone? Pro-Palestine voters alone? NO!

You have two choices to blame for Harris's loss of votes. 6 million registered Democrats across the demographic board decided not to vote for a black woman for president. Period. For whatever misguided, delusional reasons they may have conjured up in their petty little minds and ice lump hearts. OR, as many have claimed from the tech and intelligence communities, there was massive election fraud in favor of Trump - switching or eliminating votes in Trumps favor.

The point is: Let it the fuck go and start focusing your mental acuity on resisting the Trump regime, supporting those who are resisting and preparing for the mid-term election and the next Presidential election! Please, for the love of all you hold sacred, please!!

[Kaleva]

1. How do you know it was registered Democrats who didn't vote for Harris

In Michigan, there is no party registration.

It could have been many independents that didn't vote or switched their vote

Also, it'd be pretty hard for Trump to commit election fraud in Michigan as the governor, SOS state AG,state legislature (both chambers) are Democrats or are controlled by Democrats.

[RandomNumbers]

2. Tech person here NOT on board with your vote-switching/elimination theory

(I have studied election fraud stuff for a while now)

Let me first clarify that for states that use a VVPAT type system (see verifiedvoting.org) I think machine fraud is unlikely, and if it occurs, does so ONLY with the help of human factors - like failing to do proper audits, or entering false votes for people who won't actually show up themselves. That is the WHOLE POINT of VVPAT. So we can probably rule out any VVPAT locations from your theory, unless they are so bright red that they could get away with manipulating the counts, knowing it would never be caught in an audit. Well if they are THAT bright red and NONE of those R officials have any ethics or spine to stop blatant fraud - then the problem for that district is not, and never was, Trump.

Now, KEY POINT: in my neighborhood - which is run of the mill, lean R, Philly suburb : I saw FAR more TSF signs this year than in either previous election. I was shocked. You may recall there was a pre-election story about an effort by TSF team to pay people to put up their signs. There was some analysis that asserted a fraudulent objective of this program was to identify and register voters - essentially to pay previously unregistered or unlikely voters to vote for Trump.

The numbers from my area aligned with what I saw in terms of signs. You always hear people say, "signs don't vote". I guess those folks didn't live through the period when "subliminal advertising" was a buzzword in the media. Signs don't vote; but in aggregate, they do have some influence. At the least, seeing a lot of signs in favor of an outrageous person can normalize that person and make it acceptable to even consider them. (Which in my view, is the first problem with Trump - how did anyone EVER see this guy as a reasonable candidate to vote for, for ANYTHING?)

Anyway, vote switching may have happened strategically in a few places - but to this tech person it is the riskiest, last-ditch, lowest opportunity way to manipulate an election. I'm sure it's in the back of their playbook somewhere. But voter suppression (see Palast) FAR outweighs it, as well as the open (and apparently zero consequences) fraud of literally buying votes.

[pinkstarburst]

3. I think with how we have computer voting

it is now far too easy to rig the vote, especially with Leon so heavily involved. I also think this country has proven several times that it is too sexist to elect a woman president, and I said many times going into it that Kamala would have an even harder time than Hillary because she would have to overcome voters' sexism and racism.

With that said, I also think we need to stop blaming voter groups for how the election turned out. This includes nasty posts against white men, Hispanics, Muslims, white women, Indian voters, youth voters, male voters, you name it. All those posts do is alienate those voting groups when they see those posts online. While I liked Harris's ads during the campaign that were pro-women, for example the one about sneakily tricking your husband at the ballot box, I could see how if I were watching those same ads as a man, I would feel insulted by some of them, and not welcomed into the fold. We want all those groups to feel like they are welcome and included and valued and a vital part of the democratic party. Not that one singular demographic is "our base" and everyone else is less important. Focus on messaging that reaches every demographic. That's a tall order, and we need to have our smartest people working on it. Absolutely, look at the data to see where we lost ground and where we need to work the hardest to GAIN ground, but do it with the attitude of "well, here's where we have the most work to do" not blaming.