What's preventing us from creating a reverse DOGE team and running around undoing what DOGE is doing?

[FDRFTW]

Can I get some supporters here and in the leadership?

[Duncanpup]

1. Good question

As in why we can’t fight back.

[AKwannabe]

2. I fucking love this idea!

I am a few million short of an oligarchy but I keep trying…

It IS a fabulous idea.

[FDRFTW]

25. Thank you! If the executive branch of the government can create an illegal government department, why can't any citizen

[Silent Type]

3. Really wish Biden had ordered an "audit" when he took office. There was plenty of waste in trump's first term.

Another example of letting GOPers control the narrative.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Do you mean our own team of hackers?

Lock out Musk and his teenagers?

[FDRFTW]

27. Yes! Do the same thing. Authorization by any of our representatives would be nice but,

If the president can create government departments by decree, then why can’t any citizen?

Of course, having a senator or representative, create the department of executive efficiency that overseas the department of government efficiency by signing a simple decree would certainly get us in the news and give us a powerful counter narrative !

[lapfog_1]

5. they aren't hacking their way into into the government systems

People that work for the government are giving them access, often under duress from the new leaders of their departments or agencies.

Hacking into to "undo" something would be illegal as hell.

As for stealing our data from the IRS or SS... that's a done deal already. Nothing to undo.

[FDRFTW]

17. Giving them access is illegal. Giving us access would be illegal. Let's get our cases in court alongside theirs.

[Patton French]

6. Not a bad idea

But there would have to be some basis in authority to enable it to demand and examine official records and act on their findings, and right now we're in the minority and don't have the ability to grant such authority.

[FDRFTW]

18. Trump doesn't have the authority either. We can have any representative sign a "congressional order", or similar.

[dumbcat]

7. Maybe because .....

.... we don't control the Executive, Legislative, or Judicial Branches of the Federal Government?

How would we "create" anything with any Constitutional authority?

[Mister Ed]

10. Trump's "DOGE" has no Constitutional authority.

And yet there they are, running amok.

[dumbcat]

13. They have the Constitutional Authority of the Executive Branch .....

.... which actually runs and manages almost all of the agencies (with a couple of exception.) I read somewhere that they actually took over and renamed another auditing type agency that was created under Pres Obama to do the exact same job of investigating govt waste fraud and abuse. There is more depth to this than most people understand. That's why it is so dangerous.

[FDRFTW]

36. Then We use the same authority for G.O.D.. but for Congress!

It’s not a real agency.

[thatdemguy]

15. Actually I found out that doge is working on an EO by Pres Obama, Obama started it, rump renamed it

Under Obama it was started to fix the Healthcare.gov website problems, and was expanded to help every fed agency with IT problems. The old United States Digital Service, now doge, has contracts with many gov agencies to do IT related work with them. As much as I hate to say it it was a smart move by rump. He took something that was already tied in with a whole bunch of IT work for a whole bunch of .gov depts and stole its purpose.

Where it was smart is took something that had contracts and funding and warped it to his personal ax to chop at gov depts. rump did not create it, he stole it and repurposed it, but thats legal as it was started by Obama's EO and directed by the executive dept and renamed by rumps EO and still under the executive dept.

The article I read said that it cant really be stopped except by cutting off existing funding written in to law which would take congress and not like the pugs would do that.

[FDRFTW]

37. You're giving up? No, show me the proof and the law. No, I don't care. Create G.O.D. By decree just like

Trump, except by Congress people and senators.

This entity needs oversight and that is congress’s express constitutional authority.

[Blue Full Moon]

14. That is where we need to take a page from them

Any democrat who wants to run for president. File now and set up an office. Call and interfere with any foreign leaders that trump calls. Hold press conferences. Do every dirty trick back. Biggest thing is that the democrats need to do is hold rallies just like trump did. But that would also help us hold that energy up and give a sense of hope.

[FDRFTW]

20. Any official can authorize it as trump has. Let's get it into court. The Executive doesn't have a special authority to

Do what he is doing.

We would create clear actions for the courts.

[mr715]

8. It is harder to build than to destroy

It'll take time to hire back quality people and reinstitute norms.

We can and should, but that is why structurally DOGE is able to do harm faster than it can be undone.

[FDRFTW]

38. This mentality is why we lose. Fight! Fight! Fight!

[mr715]

46. What mentality?

I believe victory is inevitable because liberty cannot be contained.

Yeah, fight like hell because you may not have rights you once took for granted. Fight for the smallest of the rights.

There is nothing we once built that cannot be rebuilt.

We lose for a variety of reasons, I hope my mentality is not part of the problem.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. Preventing? You don't have access. . . nt

[FDRFTW]

39. They don't either. But GOD will - Government Oversight Department created by each

Individual Congress person.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

43. They do have access granted by the orange access granter in chief. Dems won't have until they regain more power. . nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. That doesn't solve the physical access problem. They have it. You do not. . . . nt

[Tickle]

11. We will never be able to put things back

I'm not sure we even know how it was before Elon, never mind after Elon

[mr715]

12. Things got made from scratch before

It'll happen again over time. But it'll take time to recover.

[WarGamer]

16. just need to win an election.

[FDRFTW]

21. Disagree. The executive does not have the authority it claims it has to create doge.

Let’s create our own through any member of Congress!

[Igel]

32. It used to be called the US Digital Service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Digital_Service

It was created by Obama by means of an executive order. (I guess that was unconstitutional? Not that it continued under Trump 1.0 and under Biden with nary a peep from the Constitutional legal beagles.)

Trump renamed it by executive order and repurposed it.

[FDRFTW]

40. We won elections. Every Democratic Congressperson should appoint a GOD to run oversight on

DOGE.

It’s their job.

[mcar]

19. How can the minority party "undo" what DOGE is doing?

Other than filing lawsuits, which we are doing.

[FDRFTW]

23. Sign a "congressional order" authorizing DOEE. Department of Executive Efficiency.

Fight fire with fire.

Stop bringing knives to gun fights.

[mr715]

34. Congress votes on stuff

and we don't have a majority in either house.

[GoodRaisin]

22. This is what happens when one side plays by the rules and the other side doesn't.

Illegal evil entities like DOGE operating without accountability for it’s actions. DOGE is a criminal operation rhat needs to be stopped.

[FDRFTW]

24. And this will create an obvious schism that needs to be resolved in the courts. If

The executive can create government efficiency departments by decree. Why can’t any Congress person or senator?

[Docreed2003]

26. Apparently nothing

We can create whatever we want under executive action apparently, since DOGE has absolutely ZERO authority or legitimacy.

[FDRFTW]

28. Exactly. Every Democratic Congressman and Senator should create the

Government Oversight Department.


GOD to run roughshod over DOGE.

[bucolic_frolic]

29. Great idea. Don't have to be official government employees.

[FDRFTW]

30. Right? Every single Democratic official can create their own

Own DOGE Government Oversight Department (DOGE GOD), and stop their nonsense and get all the cases into court.

[bucolic_frolic]

31. Your plot improves at every iteration.

Mimic Trump and keep going to court! Soon several cases for the same thing. Can't treat them differently, can they?

[FDRFTW]

41. Exactly! It's Congress's job to run oversight in DOGE, that's what GOD is for. Gov Oversight Dept

[MichMan]

33. Where will the funding for all the reversed cuts come from?

[FDRFTW]

35. They're not cutting anything, they are stealing that money. Are you a Democrat?

[MichMan]

44. Aren't they planning on downsizing or eliminating whole departments and laying off employees?

There have been no proposed cuts at USAID? What about NIH?

If that's not true and nothing has been cut and no one has been fired, where are they are getting the money from that they are stealing? Out of thin air?

Perhaps this post is a lie I suppose

Katie Sandlin‬ ‪
@kmsandlin.bsky.social‬
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Today, along with 2,000 other NIH employees, I had to clear out my office 😭

It was truly the honor of my life to work with such incredibly passionate people focused on improving human health. I’ve never experienced a more positive culture where *everyone* cared about their job and serving others.

https://democraticunderground.com/100220031241

[Crunchy Frog]

42. I think it should be done as a grassroots movement.

Nothing's stopping anyone apart from timidity and the naive belief that the rule of law still exists in this country.