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Nevilledog

(54,982 posts)
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:45 AM Mar 2025

Why Did Elon Musk Go After Bunkers Full of Seeds?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/22/opinion/doge-elon-musk-usda-crops.html

No paywall link
https://archive.li/8TYH3

In a climate-controlled bunker in an unremarkable building in rural Aberdeen, Idaho, there are shelves upon shelves of meticulously labeled boxes of seed. This vault is home to many of the United States’ more than 62,000 genetically unique lines of wheat, collected over the past 127 years from around the world.

Though dormant, these seeds are alive. But unless they are continually cared for and periodically replanted, the lines will die, along with the millenniums of evolutionary history that they embody.

Since its establishment in 1898, the United States Department of Agriculture’s National Plant Germplasm System and the scientists who support it have systematically gathered and maintained the agricultural plant species that undergird our food system in vast collections such as the one in Aberdeen. The collections represent a towering achievement of foresight that food security depends on the availability of diverse plant genetic resources.

In mid-February, Trump administration officials at what has been labeled the Department of Government Efficiency fired some of the highly trained people who do this work. A court order has reinstated them, but it’s unclear when they will be allowed to resume their work. In the meantime, uncertainty around additional staffing and budget cuts, as well as the future of the collections themselves, reigns.

This should unnerve every American who eats. Our food system is only as safe as our ability to respond to the next plant disease or other emergent threat, and a strong N.P.G.S. is central to our preparedness.

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Why Did Elon Musk Go After Bunkers Full of Seeds? (Original Post) Nevilledog Mar 2025 OP
People who have a brain decided to collect the seeds. louis-t Mar 2025 #1
True, it is destruction just for the sake of destruction PatSeg Mar 2025 #38
To speed the day when MAGA decides who gets what, including food. Kid Berwyn Mar 2025 #2
After the invasion of the Netherlands in May 1940 Turbineguy Mar 2025 #13
Agribusiness-X probably bucolic_frolic Mar 2025 #3
Agree. It's likely because none of those seeds are proprietary "one and done" seeds. CincyDem Mar 2025 #6
Terminator seeds don't exist outside a few labs NickB79 Mar 2025 #9
Is that a "don't exist outside a lab" because the science didn't work or... CincyDem Mar 2025 #12
Public outcry scuttled it NickB79 Mar 2025 #15
Public outcry put the orange fraud fatty in the WH wolfie001 Mar 2025 #50
I think they were marketed to 3rd world countries MadameButterfly Mar 2025 #32
They've got a lower-tech version of that already... keep_left Mar 2025 #22
And also, markodochartaigh Mar 2025 #31
Thank you canetoad Mar 2025 #46
No problem, glad it was helpful. keep_left Mar 2025 #49
Profitization through theft. There I fixed it for you. I use Profitization instead of Privatization ... aggiesal Mar 2025 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Dotty Mar 2025 #4
Because MAGA is Russia. Sneederbunk Mar 2025 #5
Indeed! Russia wants to erase us. sagetea Mar 2025 #18
Was that part of the whole doomsday vault scenario? I know they also stored pharmaceuticals because I Vinca Mar 2025 #7
Because it's related to climate change Diraven Mar 2025 #8
It's part of a smart Government. Turbineguy Mar 2025 #10
Only the billionaires can control the food supply. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #11
Same reason he wants to control near-Earth orbit. Global oligarchy Maru Kitteh Mar 2025 #14
How often is the seed removed and new seed put in its place ? anybody ? republianmushroom Mar 2025 #16
Can't really answer that the way it was asked ... MiHale Mar 2025 #29
Thank you republianmushroom Mar 2025 #36
Because they are stupid and have no idea what the people Phoenix61 Mar 2025 #17
Musk does not want the government to feed anybody but him. dchill Mar 2025 #19
Shit. Just that. PS, time to find the stash of nonGMO seeds i missplaced... txwhitedove Mar 2025 #20
"Our food system is only as safe as our ability to respond to the next plant disease..." Wednesdays Mar 2025 #21
The Irish Famine was not all caused by potato blight but by the theft of agricultural products from Ireland Botany Mar 2025 #43
Maybe Elon plans to buy Monsanto and wants to eliminate possible competition. Martin68 Mar 2025 #23
Might not work out the way he thinks it will. bluesbassman Mar 2025 #24
If you add white supremacy + the belief that empathy is a weakness + the belief that taxes should never be raised on the Uncle Joe Mar 2025 #25
Because it has to do with the common good and science which helps people of this nation and the world Botany Mar 2025 #26
I have a degree in botany (no pun intended) Mountain Mule Mar 2025 #39
Me too as in having a degree in botany Botany Mar 2025 #40
... Solly Mack Mar 2025 #27
The lack of genetic diversity is what killed off a bunch of banana species JT45242 Mar 2025 #30
Because he is part of "enemy within" that wants to sow Evolve Dammit Mar 2025 #33
Because he can? ShazzieB Mar 2025 #34
Musk intends to rule the world if he's allowed to. hadEnuf Mar 2025 #35
Ebenezer Trump..... SergeStorms Mar 2025 #37
A small suggestion. Probably silly to most people. Linda ladeewolf Mar 2025 #41
Because he is incredibly ignorant about anything outside of his world. TNNurse Mar 2025 #42
It bothered me highly. Figarosmom Mar 2025 #44
He wants to replace them with his own ubermensch seed Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2025 #45
they saw it's about genetic diversity PedroXimenez Mar 2025 #47
Elon is a moron Historic NY Mar 2025 #48
Send 'em all to the seed bank on Svalbard before Musk kills them. Ocelot II Mar 2025 #51

louis-t

(24,597 posts)
1. People who have a brain decided to collect the seeds.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:47 AM
Mar 2025

People with no brain decided to dismantle the system.

PatSeg

(53,064 posts)
38. True, it is destruction just for the sake of destruction
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 02:43 PM
Mar 2025

There is no reasonable objective. They are like toddlers knocking down buildings made of blocks and laughing.

Turbineguy

(39,963 posts)
13. After the invasion of the Netherlands in May 1940
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:15 AM
Mar 2025

My Grandmother saw a German soldier sitting on the sidewalk, eating a packet of butter. No bread, just butter, sliced off using his bayonet. It was some insight into what had been going on in Germany in the '20's and '30's.

CincyDem

(7,373 posts)
6. Agree. It's likely because none of those seeds are proprietary "one and done" seeds.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:04 AM
Mar 2025

I think they call them terminator seeds because the plants they grow don’t throw seeds. Means farmers have to buy seed every planting season (vs building their own seed stock).

But I’m a city boy who just reads a lot…I’ll bet there’s a real farmer (or two) on this site that can explain it a lot better. lol.

NickB79

(20,300 posts)
9. Terminator seeds don't exist outside a few labs
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:06 AM
Mar 2025

It was never adopted by seed companies, and never sold.

CincyDem

(7,373 posts)
12. Is that a "don't exist outside a lab" because the science didn't work or...
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:12 AM
Mar 2025

…did some morals seep into the developing companies and they realize screwing the the worlds food chain might have unintended consequences?

NickB79

(20,300 posts)
15. Public outcry scuttled it
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:47 AM
Mar 2025

The tech worked as intended. Ironically, it was marketed as a way to appease GMO sceptics to guarantee foreign genes didn't escape into the wild, but drew furor from another group.

MadameButterfly

(3,964 posts)
32. I think they were marketed to 3rd world countries
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:35 PM
Mar 2025

to make them dependent on their suppliers instead of saving their seeds. I'm reading that Monsanto never sold them commercially, but I thought it was a thing before outcry on social and environmental grounds sought to put an end to it.

keep_left

(3,204 posts)
22. They've got a lower-tech version of that already...
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:33 AM
Mar 2025

...that's been on the market since at least the post-WWII era--they're called "F1 hybrid" seeds. F1 in genetics refers to the first generation of offspring. These seeds exhibit "hybrid vigor", meaning they tend to exhibit more robust growth and fitness. Hybridization also can be used to confer various highly-desired traits to the organism, e.g. disease resistance in tomato plants. The drawback: F1 seeds don't breed true, so that if you save seeds from this year's crop, next year's won't be the same. (They're not genetically stable, so you get back the parent plants plus some other recombinations).

Seed companies love F1 seeds because of this--you have to buy new ones when you run out because seed-saving doesn't work. They're also much cheaper to produce than GMO "terminator" seeds, though I didn't know those had never made it to market here. I guess the power of the farm lobby is strong enough in the USA. I wonder if they have been marketed elsewhere.

The alternative to F1 hybrids is the old-fashioned open-pollinated plant, often called an "heirloom" especially when it comes to tomatoes. They usually aren't as disease-resistant or robust (no hybrid vigor), but they have other desirable traits. Heirloom tomatoes are quite special and unique, for example. You can save seeds from heirloom plants, and they will breed true for many generations--however, unless you prevent cross-pollination, even heirloom plants will naturally hybridize through all the pollinators in the environment (e.g. bees/wasps, butterflies, hummingbirds).

Privatizers like Eloon hate "heirloom" seeds because most countries' patent laws (including ours) prohibit the patenting of open-pollinated or otherwise naturally-occurring plants. I wonder if Eloon is thinking about getting into the agriculture business. Or maybe he just can't help himself, like many end-stage capitalists: if we can't make big money from it, why not destroy it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

canetoad

(20,643 posts)
46. Thank you
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 09:01 PM
Mar 2025

Very informative and well written.

This is pretty much what I understand to be the case but could never have put it as succinctly as you did.

keep_left

(3,204 posts)
49. No problem, glad it was helpful.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:46 PM
Mar 2025

I'm an avid gardener (tomato gardening in particular), and I really prefer the heirloom plants. I've got okra seeds I've saved going back at least a decade now that are still viable (kept double-bagged in the freezer). I do grow some F1 hybrids, however, because those plants are so much more disease-resistant. (Heirloom tomato plants are especially susceptible to fungal disease).

aggiesal

(10,731 posts)
28. Profitization through theft. There I fixed it for you. I use Profitization instead of Privatization ...
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:11 PM
Mar 2025

It shows what Privatization means and why this is bad.
Everything, and I mean everything will be more expensive, because someone always has to make money on it.
Profitizing government services is going to be unaffordable.

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Vinca

(53,772 posts)
7. Was that part of the whole doomsday vault scenario? I know they also stored pharmaceuticals because I
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:05 AM
Mar 2025

read an article at some point about them testing drugs that had been in the vault for 50 years and how most of them were at full potency or close to it. (That's why I keep expired prescriptions in case I need them.) Elon is playing a really big part in destroying this country and much of the world. How can Republicans just sit by and let this happen????

Diraven

(1,865 posts)
8. Because it's related to climate change
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:05 AM
Mar 2025

Part of the reason for maintaining the seed bunker is having the ability to protect against climate change. Since it's now official US government policy that climate change is an evil hoax, anything the government supports that is in any way related to it must be eliminated.

Turbineguy

(39,963 posts)
10. It's part of a smart Government.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:09 AM
Mar 2025

A Government should have policies to deal with expected events. Blights are a fact of nature.

Maru Kitteh

(31,571 posts)
14. Same reason he wants to control near-Earth orbit. Global oligarchy
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:23 AM
Mar 2025

With himself as the unchallenged head.

MiHale

(12,904 posts)
29. Can't really answer that the way it was asked ...
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:19 PM
Mar 2025

Not from anything official…to be able to replace a seed, one must first grow the plant to maturity, collect the ‘new’ seeds…then the fresh seeds are the replacement.
There is probably a farm of some sort to accomplish this. Timing of replacements would be, more than likely, based on the historical viability of the specific plants seeds. I have stored seeds and had them germinate for as long as 6 years. We have a dedicated place in a refrigerator for storage. The 6 year seeds were a forgotten package that was found and tried as an experiment…they grew.

Phoenix61

(18,804 posts)
17. Because they are stupid and have no idea what the people
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 10:57 AM
Mar 2025

they fired actually do. These are the same dumbasses who were convinced 1,000s of 150 year-olds are getting SS payments.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
19. Musk does not want the government to feed anybody but him.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:18 AM
Mar 2025

It's all waste, fraud and abuse.

Wednesdays

(22,355 posts)
21. "Our food system is only as safe as our ability to respond to the next plant disease..."
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:30 AM
Mar 2025

Just ask the Irish of 1847. Their famine was caused by a rampant disease that wiped out their potato crop.

Botany

(77,052 posts)
43. The Irish Famine was not all caused by potato blight but by the theft of agricultural products from Ireland
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 08:06 PM
Mar 2025

The English took cattle, sheep, poultry, swine, oats, rye, barley, dairy, and wheat by the shipload back
to England. And they laughed about it too all the time saying we get the land but without the Irish
on it. Because of the deaths by famine and the migration of the Irish people to America and Canada.

bluesbassman

(20,380 posts)
24. Might not work out the way he thinks it will.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:43 AM
Mar 2025

He’s currently experiencing a crash course in consumerism 101; if people don’t like you, they won’t buy from you.

Uncle Joe

(64,855 posts)
25. If you add white supremacy + the belief that empathy is a weakness + the belief that taxes should never be raised on the
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:49 AM
Mar 2025

wealthiest for a common good + "drill baby drill" + *The Boring Company; owned by Musk + taking over relatively isolated Greenland; which has 64% of the world's fresh water frozen in glaciers + plenty of mountains in Greenland for transferring seeds too and build bunkers for + the knowledge that "drill baby drill" will accelerate global warming climate change and probably cause massive numbers of climate refugees while increasing the potential for global war over resources.

Greenland is Noah's Ark for whoever "the chosen people" are under such a scenario.

*The Boring Company (TBC) is an American infrastructure, tunnel construction service, and equipment company founded by Elon Musk. TBC was founded as a subsidiary of SpaceX in 2017, and was spun off as a separate corporation in 2018. TBC has completed multiple test tunnels and one tunneling project that is open to the public.

(snip)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company

That's my hypothesis as to what their mid-long term plans are.

Thanks for the thread Nevilledog

Botany

(77,052 posts)
26. Because it has to do with the common good and science which helps people of this nation and the world
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:01 PM
Mar 2025

Last edited Mon Mar 24, 2025, 06:21 PM - Edit history (1)

And Musk wants to burn America to the ground.

Don’t worry about agricultural research developing new strains of wheat that are
resistant to wheat rust or new fruit trees. We can just the eat A.I. from Musk’s
organizations.

127 years of research being pissed away by totally insane and or venal assholes.

Mountain Mule

(1,185 posts)
39. I have a degree in botany (no pun intended)
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 02:52 PM
Mar 2025

It breaks my heart to witness the orange psychopath's war on science and medicine. We will soon be living in the darkest of dark ages.

Botany

(77,052 posts)
40. Me too as in having a degree in botany
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 03:44 PM
Mar 2025

A truly great scientist and dedicated medical doctor in Anthony Fauci has now
been labeled as the person who paid China to develop the C-19 virus or that
170 year old scientific that the more CO 2 you have in a body of gas the more heat
that body of gas will hold. America was built on education and that is being pissed
away.

JT45242

(3,996 posts)
30. The lack of genetic diversity is what killed off a bunch of banana species
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:21 PM
Mar 2025

Curious if Apartheid Clyde own some seed repository companies that might be able to profiteer from dsimantling this.

Evolve Dammit

(21,713 posts)
33. Because he is part of "enemy within" that wants to sow
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:35 PM
Mar 2025

Seeds of destruction, and preserve nothing unless he can profit from it?
In other words, burn everything down.
This is an act of domestic violence. These are legacy seeds and this is scary shit.

ShazzieB

(22,481 posts)
34. Because he can?
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:46 PM
Mar 2025

I'm sorta being sarcastic, but honestly, does he really need another reason? I'm not sure he has a real reason for half of what he does, beyond being drunk with power and high on the sociopathic pleasure of hearing the angry and agonized screams of those he's harming.

hadEnuf

(3,586 posts)
35. Musk intends to rule the world if he's allowed to.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 01:27 PM
Mar 2025

He obviously works with Russia and China, but he would screw them over in a second.

He wants control of resources so everyone eventually has to bow to him.


Trump was just a purchase for him. Musk, Putin and Xi all have Trump by the balls. He will do whatever they want.

SergeStorms

(20,415 posts)
37. Ebenezer Trump.....
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 02:38 PM
Mar 2025

wants to "decrease the surplus population."

It doesn't look like the Orange Infant ever missed a meal.

Linda ladeewolf

(1,134 posts)
41. A small suggestion. Probably silly to most people.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 05:41 PM
Mar 2025

Save seeds. Plant things, save the seeds. Grow things in pots if you have to. Save the seeds. If they are trying to prevent heirloom seeds from existing, it would be good to have your own supply. They can’t be trademarked or owned by a company. So they’d like to eliminate the ability to save your own seed for planting.

Figarosmom

(11,387 posts)
44. It bothered me highly.
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 08:09 PM
Mar 2025

I'm a seed collector and grow rare heirloom veggies and flowers just to collect the seeds. I've kept an old Roma bean plant going that my Dad used to grow( that his Mom used to grow and her mom brought it in from Italy to grow here) and he saved the seeds and handed them down to me. I handed them down to my daughter. I've taught my daughter how to collect seeds and how to propagate different plants. I always believed in being responsible in knowing how to feed myself and responsible that my daughter be able to also. She is so good at foraging, it makes me proud.

Historic NY

(39,937 posts)
48. Elon is a moron
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 11:17 PM
Mar 2025

Elon is an idiot, too bad he really doesn't know about science. The globe has face disease and pestilence that have wiped out crops before. France's vineyard were wiped out and US was able to supply the cutting necessary to revive it. Every day climate takes a toll, what will we eat. Seeds that can germinate in a variety of climates. What's is he taking to MARS?

Having a stockpile is like having money in the bank for a rainy day.

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