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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy Did Elon Musk Go After Bunkers Full of Seeds?
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/22/opinion/doge-elon-musk-usda-crops.htmlNo paywall link
https://archive.li/8TYH3
In a climate-controlled bunker in an unremarkable building in rural Aberdeen, Idaho, there are shelves upon shelves of meticulously labeled boxes of seed. This vault is home to many of the United States more than 62,000 genetically unique lines of wheat, collected over the past 127 years from around the world.
Though dormant, these seeds are alive. But unless they are continually cared for and periodically replanted, the lines will die, along with the millenniums of evolutionary history that they embody.
Since its establishment in 1898, the United States Department of Agricultures National Plant Germplasm System and the scientists who support it have systematically gathered and maintained the agricultural plant species that undergird our food system in vast collections such as the one in Aberdeen. The collections represent a towering achievement of foresight that food security depends on the availability of diverse plant genetic resources.
In mid-February, Trump administration officials at what has been labeled the Department of Government Efficiency fired some of the highly trained people who do this work. A court order has reinstated them, but its unclear when they will be allowed to resume their work. In the meantime, uncertainty around additional staffing and budget cuts, as well as the future of the collections themselves, reigns.
This should unnerve every American who eats. Our food system is only as safe as our ability to respond to the next plant disease or other emergent threat, and a strong N.P.G.S. is central to our preparedness.
*snip*
louis-t
(24,597 posts)People with no brain decided to dismantle the system.
PatSeg
(53,064 posts)There is no reasonable objective. They are like toddlers knocking down buildings made of blocks and laughing.
Kid Berwyn
(24,036 posts)
Turbineguy
(39,963 posts)My Grandmother saw a German soldier sitting on the sidewalk, eating a packet of butter. No bread, just butter, sliced off using his bayonet. It was some insight into what had been going on in Germany in the '20's and '30's.
bucolic_frolic
(54,812 posts)Privatization through theft! Get the government out of Eloon's way!
CincyDem
(7,373 posts)I think they call them terminator seeds because the plants they grow dont throw seeds. Means farmers have to buy seed every planting season (vs building their own seed stock).
But Im a city boy who just reads a lot
Ill bet theres a real farmer (or two) on this site that can explain it a lot better. lol.
NickB79
(20,300 posts)It was never adopted by seed companies, and never sold.
CincyDem
(7,373 posts)did some morals seep into the developing companies and they realize screwing the the worlds food chain might have unintended consequences?
NickB79
(20,300 posts)The tech worked as intended. Ironically, it was marketed as a way to appease GMO sceptics to guarantee foreign genes didn't escape into the wild, but drew furor from another group.
wolfie001
(7,513 posts)Just sayin'
MadameButterfly
(3,964 posts)to make them dependent on their suppliers instead of saving their seeds. I'm reading that Monsanto never sold them commercially, but I thought it was a thing before outcry on social and environmental grounds sought to put an end to it.
keep_left
(3,204 posts)...that's been on the market since at least the post-WWII era--they're called "F1 hybrid" seeds. F1 in genetics refers to the first generation of offspring. These seeds exhibit "hybrid vigor", meaning they tend to exhibit more robust growth and fitness. Hybridization also can be used to confer various highly-desired traits to the organism, e.g. disease resistance in tomato plants. The drawback: F1 seeds don't breed true, so that if you save seeds from this year's crop, next year's won't be the same. (They're not genetically stable, so you get back the parent plants plus some other recombinations).
Seed companies love F1 seeds because of this--you have to buy new ones when you run out because seed-saving doesn't work. They're also much cheaper to produce than GMO "terminator" seeds, though I didn't know those had never made it to market here. I guess the power of the farm lobby is strong enough in the USA. I wonder if they have been marketed elsewhere.
The alternative to F1 hybrids is the old-fashioned open-pollinated plant, often called an "heirloom" especially when it comes to tomatoes. They usually aren't as disease-resistant or robust (no hybrid vigor), but they have other desirable traits. Heirloom tomatoes are quite special and unique, for example. You can save seeds from heirloom plants, and they will breed true for many generations--however, unless you prevent cross-pollination, even heirloom plants will naturally hybridize through all the pollinators in the environment (e.g. bees/wasps, butterflies, hummingbirds).
Privatizers like Eloon hate "heirloom" seeds because most countries' patent laws (including ours) prohibit the patenting of open-pollinated or otherwise naturally-occurring plants. I wonder if Eloon is thinking about getting into the agriculture business. Or maybe he just can't help himself, like many end-stage capitalists: if we can't make big money from it, why not destroy it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis
markodochartaigh
(5,403 posts)México is where corn originated and gmo genes have been found contaminating age-old corn strains there.
https://www.nongmoproject.org/blog/mexicos-gmo-corn-ban-aims-to-protect-cultural-heritage/
canetoad
(20,643 posts)Very informative and well written.
This is pretty much what I understand to be the case but could never have put it as succinctly as you did.
keep_left
(3,204 posts)I'm an avid gardener (tomato gardening in particular), and I really prefer the heirloom plants. I've got okra seeds I've saved going back at least a decade now that are still viable (kept double-bagged in the freezer). I do grow some F1 hybrids, however, because those plants are so much more disease-resistant. (Heirloom tomato plants are especially susceptible to fungal disease).
aggiesal
(10,731 posts)It shows what Privatization means and why this is bad.
Everything, and I mean everything will be more expensive, because someone always has to make money on it.
Profitizing government services is going to be unaffordable.
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Sneederbunk
(17,416 posts)sagetea
(1,554 posts)And the Oligarchs want AI to take over us.
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Vinca
(53,772 posts)read an article at some point about them testing drugs that had been in the vault for 50 years and how most of them were at full potency or close to it. (That's why I keep expired prescriptions in case I need them.) Elon is playing a really big part in destroying this country and much of the world. How can Republicans just sit by and let this happen????
Diraven
(1,865 posts)Part of the reason for maintaining the seed bunker is having the ability to protect against climate change. Since it's now official US government policy that climate change is an evil hoax, anything the government supports that is in any way related to it must be eliminated.
Turbineguy
(39,963 posts)A Government should have policies to deal with expected events. Blights are a fact of nature.
Irish_Dem
(80,815 posts)Maru Kitteh
(31,571 posts)With himself as the unchallenged head.
republianmushroom
(22,241 posts)MiHale
(12,904 posts)Not from anything official
to be able to replace a seed, one must first grow the plant to maturity, collect the new seeds
then the fresh seeds are the replacement.
There is probably a farm of some sort to accomplish this. Timing of replacements would be, more than likely, based on the historical viability of the specific plants seeds. I have stored seeds and had them germinate for as long as 6 years. We have a dedicated place in a refrigerator for storage. The 6 year seeds were a forgotten package that was found and tried as an experiment
they grew.
republianmushroom
(22,241 posts)Phoenix61
(18,804 posts)they fired actually do. These are the same dumbasses who were convinced 1,000s of 150 year-olds are getting SS payments.
dchill
(42,660 posts)It's all waste, fraud and abuse.
txwhitedove
(4,378 posts)Wednesdays
(22,355 posts)Just ask the Irish of 1847. Their famine was caused by a rampant disease that wiped out their potato crop.
Botany
(77,052 posts)The English took cattle, sheep, poultry, swine, oats, rye, barley, dairy, and wheat by the shipload back
to England. And they laughed about it too all the time saying we get the land but without the Irish
on it. Because of the deaths by famine and the migration of the Irish people to America and Canada.
Martin68
(27,515 posts)bluesbassman
(20,380 posts)Hes currently experiencing a crash course in consumerism 101; if people dont like you, they wont buy from you.
Uncle Joe
(64,855 posts)wealthiest for a common good + "drill baby drill" + *The Boring Company; owned by Musk + taking over relatively isolated Greenland; which has 64% of the world's fresh water frozen in glaciers + plenty of mountains in Greenland for transferring seeds too and build bunkers for + the knowledge that "drill baby drill" will accelerate global warming climate change and probably cause massive numbers of climate refugees while increasing the potential for global war over resources.
Greenland is Noah's Ark for whoever "the chosen people" are under such a scenario.
*The Boring Company (TBC) is an American infrastructure, tunnel construction service, and equipment company founded by Elon Musk. TBC was founded as a subsidiary of SpaceX in 2017, and was spun off as a separate corporation in 2018. TBC has completed multiple test tunnels and one tunneling project that is open to the public.
(snip)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boring_Company
That's my hypothesis as to what their mid-long term plans are.
Thanks for the thread Nevilledog
Botany
(77,052 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 24, 2025, 06:21 PM - Edit history (1)
And Musk wants to burn America to the ground.
Dont worry about agricultural research developing new strains of wheat that are
resistant to wheat rust or new fruit trees. We can just the eat A.I. from Musks
organizations.
127 years of research being pissed away by totally insane and or venal assholes.
Mountain Mule
(1,185 posts)It breaks my heart to witness the orange psychopath's war on science and medicine. We will soon be living in the darkest of dark ages.
Botany
(77,052 posts)A truly great scientist and dedicated medical doctor in Anthony Fauci has now
been labeled as the person who paid China to develop the C-19 virus or that
170 year old scientific that the more CO 2 you have in a body of gas the more heat
that body of gas will hold. America was built on education and that is being pissed
away.
Solly Mack
(96,798 posts)JT45242
(3,996 posts)Curious if Apartheid Clyde own some seed repository companies that might be able to profiteer from dsimantling this.
Evolve Dammit
(21,713 posts)Seeds of destruction, and preserve nothing unless he can profit from it?
In other words, burn everything down.
This is an act of domestic violence. These are legacy seeds and this is scary shit.
ShazzieB
(22,481 posts)I'm sorta being sarcastic, but honestly, does he really need another reason? I'm not sure he has a real reason for half of what he does, beyond being drunk with power and high on the sociopathic pleasure of hearing the angry and agonized screams of those he's harming.
hadEnuf
(3,586 posts)He obviously works with Russia and China, but he would screw them over in a second.
He wants control of resources so everyone eventually has to bow to him.
Trump was just a purchase for him. Musk, Putin and Xi all have Trump by the balls. He will do whatever they want.
SergeStorms
(20,415 posts)wants to "decrease the surplus population."
It doesn't look like the Orange Infant ever missed a meal.
Linda ladeewolf
(1,134 posts)Save seeds. Plant things, save the seeds. Grow things in pots if you have to. Save the seeds. If they are trying to prevent heirloom seeds from existing, it would be good to have your own supply. They cant be trademarked or owned by a company. So theyd like to eliminate the ability to save your own seed for planting.
TNNurse
(7,530 posts)Figarosmom
(11,387 posts)I'm a seed collector and grow rare heirloom veggies and flowers just to collect the seeds. I've kept an old Roma bean plant going that my Dad used to grow( that his Mom used to grow and her mom brought it in from Italy to grow here) and he saved the seeds and handed them down to me. I handed them down to my daughter. I've taught my daughter how to collect seeds and how to propagate different plants. I always believed in being responsible in knowing how to feed myself and responsible that my daughter be able to also. She is so good at foraging, it makes me proud.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,446 posts)PedroXimenez
(673 posts)so that means it's DEI.
Historic NY
(39,937 posts)Elon is an idiot, too bad he really doesn't know about science. The globe has face disease and pestilence that have wiped out crops before. France's vineyard were wiped out and US was able to supply the cutting necessary to revive it. Every day climate takes a toll, what will we eat. Seeds that can germinate in a variety of climates. What's is he taking to MARS?
Having a stockpile is like having money in the bank for a rainy day.