The real reason they were using Signal

[orangecrush]

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[Lovie777]

1. They have another.........

[msongs]

2. unfortunately republican scum is going along with all this. follow the $$ nt

[erronis]

6. I would say they're not "going along with all this", but they are totally part of it.

Every current (r)epuglicon in congress is an active member of this treason.

[Walleye]

10. Yes, they know what's going on and they couldn't be more pleased

[Tickle]

20. I think so to

especially when I talk with my brother.

they don't give a damn what that SOB does!

[moondust]

3. WWCD?

What Would Crooks Do?

[AmericaUnderSiege]

4. Only thing to quibble with: This is not "our government."

This is a Russian-directed puppet dictatorship, and exists totally outside the plain language of the Constitution.

[erronis]

7. Exactly.

[DENVERPOPS]

27. You can be sure

that Trump has some back channel means of communicating with Putin, and has since he was corruptly installed the first term.

Musk doesn't bother with that, he just flies over and meets with Putin personally.......

Putin is much happier now that Musk is directing Trump, rather than the other way around.....

Trump is probably near having outgrown his usefulness to Putin...

Then again, Putin may just leave Trump in there for show, and to give the Republican owned Media something to report on so they don't have to report any true news......and to serve as a diversion from all that is being done in the shadows......

[AmericaUnderSiege]

29. They're both just meant to inflict maximum chaos and suffering on America.

None of these people knows how to run a government. Certainly not Putin, the grand-all high lord of mud pits and open sewers. Or the short-con game show host who would be nowhere today without Putin. Or the machine guy who's so abrasive with other human beings that people with limitless patience quit rather than work with him another day.

The sum total of those three people is just a diarrhea-spray. It's hideous and stinky, but the toilet of civilization can and will handle the load.

[DENVERPOPS]

30. Good thoughts AUS

it certainly will be interesting..........

[Escurumbele]

43. Never forget, the gop needs the monkey who can use a pen, trump will stay there unless he gets parkinsons or

something else and can no longer use a pen.

[stollen]

46. like a highrise "accident"

Putin is ruthless, a sadomasochist. Trump knows it.

[SunSeeker]

5. Yup. They'll switch to burner phones next, with mafia code names.

[thesquanderer]

8. "We have met the deep state, and they are us." (n/t)

[Walleye]

9. Why were they discussing when to attack a foreign country with bombs on a group chat?

Shouldn’t that be the call of the commander-in-chief? What the fuck does he do anyway?

[SunSeeker]

12. Trump said he "didn't know a thing about it."

He's either lying or has no idea what his administration is doing. Both are infuriating and unacceptable.

[RainCaster]

15. He's lying

That's all he knows how to do.

[HipChick]

16. He said he didn't know anything about Project 2025 either..

If he opens his mouth, there is a good probability he's telling porky pies..

[MLWR]

13. WTF does he do anyway?

1) he cheats at golf
2) he watches Fox News
3) he has his hair done and his makeup applied
4) he collects grudges and grievances
5) he orders EOs written to go after his "enemies."
6) he rages and throws ketchup bottles around

[Walleye]

14. Drunk with power

[DENVERPOPS]

28. You forgot

he has some poor "personal assistant" changing his diaper and wiping his butt......Probably one of his countless H2B Visa employees.....

[Think. Again.]

11. Yes, DUer Irish_Dem has suggested the same thing.

[MadMike47]

17. Scary but true

[debsy]

18. I said this to my husband earlier today.

They are using signal so there won’t be a record of anything on government systems. But… her emails!

[bronxiteforever]

19. Absolutely.

[Bluetus]

21. If anybody in Trump-world wanted to actually follow the law, hey could start with

the Federal Records Act of 1950.

As this thread states, their intent is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. They have no intention of following any laws. Their only interest is in breaking laws in ways that will be difficult to prosecute if we ever again have a government operating under the rule of law.

There has been much angst about whether we will ever again have a real election. Good question, but the problem is so much greater than that. And we are already there. We have no judicial system. The lower courts, bless their hearts, are still acting like laws mean something, but Trump-world just ignores them, and the SCOTUS is in their bunker hoping they don't ever have to rule on any of that because:

* If they rule against Trump, he will declare the whole court system dead, and it will be

* It they rule for Trump, then the court system will be dead of its own hand.

* There is no third option that preserves any role for the courts unless Trump suddenly decides to be a completely different person from who he has been the past 78 years.

[Beartracks]

22. Right? It wasn't that a JOURNALIST was accidentally included on the Signal chat...

... but that fact that it was a SIGNAL chat to begin with.

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[KitFox]

23. Arrogance and recklessness abound when you are free and encouraged to act

above the law with oversight, consequences and accountability nonexistent. To add fuel to this dumpster fire, they are incompetent sycophants hurtling us into disaster after disaster at breakneck speed. Can’t wake up from this nightmare, but I’m not giving up my resolve! Thanks DU Family for all the informative posts!

[lindysalsagal]

24. Everyone using unofficial channels should be fired.

They violated their oaths of office.

[Lonestarblue]

37. They also violated federal records laws. Where is the DOJ in prosecuting that crime?

Of course, being Trump’s personal police force might make them hesitant to even ask questions.

[Justice matters.]

41. Corrupt bondee will not touch any of her mob boss's criminality. The opposite...

she will try to help him (and them) hide it.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

25. Well there you have it. Next question : why was the Atlantic journalist included, some kind

of set up or just plain stupidity? Either way maga-land/ rw radio is playing it as the journalist is lying. No surprise there, of course - theyve totally split from reality some time ago.

[rickyhall]

26. Why they fuck with the FBI.

This their parlance.

[Initech]

31. If we ever get out of this, the Heritage Foundation needs to be declared an enemy of the state.

As in, we need to close their offices and force them out of DC, and charge and arrest the whole fucking lot of them for making this nightmare happen. Fuck the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025, to the hottest circle of hell.

[calimary]

32. Holy Cannoli, do I LOVE this thread!!!

[Celerity]

33. Clean post. All you have to do is paste in the image URL. Don't use any of the DU formatting buttons.

Cheers

Cel

[Meowmee]

34. Yes and enemies can be a party to it as well

[C Moon]

35. Remember: these republicans are famous for sleight of hand.

While we're all focused on this new bit, they are doing something diabolical.
This whole texting a journalist seems like a HUGE ridiculous error...but maybe they did it that way on purpose.
Or, it could be as it appears, but just be wary of these fuckers.

[Gum Logger]

36. Well yes. There have been decades guile treachery and decent. The inside the beltway bubble has not responded.

[Lokee11]

38. So basically -

The reason is TREASON!

✊!

[electron_blue]

39. Yes and most certainly this was not the first time

and are even they still doing it?

[orangecrush]

40. If not that

Something else.

[Bluethroughu]

42. They are the Domestic enemy within.

The writers of Project 2025 should have been arrested for a coup plan of attack against the U.S. Constitution, instead they were given jobs in government to execute the plan.

Democrats should have been and moving forward agreeing to ZERO anything with this administration.

[Martin68]

44. This aspect of the Signal fiasco is being also reported in the Washington Post.

[SpankMe]

45. Government record

"In the context of government, a "record" generally refers to any information, regardless of format (written, electronic, etc.), made or received by a government agency in the course of its official business, and preserved as evidence of its activities or for informational value."

These are government records technically and legally, regardless of the fact that they are being transacted on non-government systems. Legally, they are supposed to be preserved.

If someone with legal standing could be located, they could sue to have these records retained.