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kentuck

(111,102 posts)
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:48 PM Dec 2012

Obama will define his place in history with this deal he is about to make with the Republicans.

The future will tell the story without political blinders.

He is about to fuck up big time. His decision to put tax cuts for the wealthy above everything, including bribery and extortion. His refusal to stand up to the Republicans at this moment in time will turn out to be his biggest blunder. He will never be stronger politically than he is today.

History will not be kind.

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Obama will define his place in history with this deal he is about to make with the Republicans. (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2012 OP
His place in history is already set n/t leftstreet Dec 2012 #1
No, it's not. kentuck Dec 2012 #3
First African American US President leftstreet Dec 2012 #6
Yes. he will be remembered for that? kentuck Dec 2012 #7
Uh, that's pretty big leftstreet Dec 2012 #9
He can be the first black president... kentuck Dec 2012 #10
2014: The Republicans campaign on the slogan Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #2
They'll make privatization look more humane leftstreet Dec 2012 #4
And so they should. kentuck Dec 2012 #5
If the Dems cave on SS and Medicare, why even bother in 2014? RomneyLies Dec 2012 #8
Agreed nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #11
Well, that's the logic that bought us 2010. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #16
that and the first debate samsingh Dec 2012 #12
He is a corporatist. woo me with science Dec 2012 #13
you should just do what you don't have the stones to do and call him a facist from now on... dionysus Dec 2012 #14
"Call him a 'facist'" (sic)? "See how long it lasts..."? woo me with science Dec 2012 #15
You fuckin' Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #17

kentuck

(111,102 posts)
3. No, it's not.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:52 PM
Dec 2012

He still has four years to go in his second term. How can you say his place in history is already set?

kentuck

(111,102 posts)
7. Yes. he will be remembered for that?
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:56 PM
Dec 2012

But what about his position in the long line of great Democratic Presidents??

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
2. 2014: The Republicans campaign on the slogan
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:51 PM
Dec 2012

"Obama and the Democrats cut your Social Security!!

Wanna bet?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
16. Well, that's the logic that bought us 2010.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:57 PM
Dec 2012

I watched Feingold crash, when he absolutely didn't deserve it, because the Obama hopes didn't manifest. Granted--many hoped for more than Obama ever promised, but I'll still go to the polls for a local firebrand (think Grayson, Baldwin, etc.), and while I'm there I will of course vote for the lesser of two…well, you know the rest. I campaigned actively for Russ & sent him money as well, but declined the opportunity to phone bank for WI Blue Dogs, even though one of them turned out to be one of the WI 14. I guess I'll be pretty choosy about where put my limited funds and energy in the future too.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
14. you should just do what you don't have the stones to do and call him a facist from now on...
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:24 PM
Dec 2012

and see how long it lasts...

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
15. "Call him a 'facist'" (sic)? "See how long it lasts..."?
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:12 PM
Dec 2012

Is that a lame attempt at a threat, dionysus? You don't like when people criticize policy in this country; that's your own little problem.

Some of the policies coming out of this administration are, indeed, starting to sound a wee bit fascistic, now aren't they? "Kill lists" and indefinite detention without trial, even for American citizens; militarization of domestic police forces and federal targeting of protesters and whistleblowers; surveillance of all phone calls, email and internet activity by Americans without a warrant. Americans, with our "representative" government, have had no say in any of these outrages.

This is what happens when people allow the purchase of government and our electoral system by corporations. We are headed down the road in a very disturbing direction.

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