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This is a predator drone. It will kill you before you are even aware of it. Your guns are no match for these drones. You cannot defeat the U.S. govt. in any sort of guerilla war fare.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Really, these people only want guns to shoot those "others" whom they imagine are coming to take their "stuff."
durablend
(7,460 posts)If society "collapses" is to git themselves some stuff.
"My money's no good so how about some hot lead instead?"
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Because that is essentially what they are arguing when they suggest they are going to turn their guns on the government, law enforcement is the government.
If the gun nuts are going to argue it is OK to use their guns against the government they need to explain to us when they believe it becomes morally acceptable to start shooting cops and other government officials.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Assumptions aside who knows where an armed conflict would lead?
"If the gun nuts are going to argue it is OK to use their guns against the government they need to explain to us when they believe it becomes morally acceptable to start shooting cops and other government officials."
Why would you expect them to explain anything?
ashling
(25,771 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Not against drones... but against our evil socialist government.
Ironic...no ???
OffWithTheirHeads
(10,337 posts)After 10 years. Because people who live in caves couldn't possibly take on the U.S. of A.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)and the coalition has a limited amount of resources there.
Taking on the USA in the USA would be a different matter.
OffWithTheirHeads
(10,337 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)The number of weapons in civilian hands is not that important initially.
In Iraq I assume most of the weapons came from the military weapons caches that were looted and also from disgruntled police officers and soldiers when the military and police force was disbanded by the CPA. Once law and order breaks down then weapons also flow in from other countries.
As for Afghanistan, that's been on a war footing for the last few decades and again weapons flow in from other countries in the region.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)The U.S. govt has to fight those wars and win public support at the same time.
The more apt comparison is the U.S. Civil War. The North decimated the South. Sherman's march was fucking brutal. Imagine that one a much larger scale with far superior weaponry.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)"But that's their own country."
And a lot of different places in the USA are "their own country" as well.
I bet you might know of a lot of places that would make a good place to hide and move out from.
Never expect anything to be easy especially conflict.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)The U.S. can find and kill anyone it wants to, esp. within its own borders. Are you kidding me?? You cannot hide in the U.S. and launch an armed revolution against the govt. It's silly to think so.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)be over shortly.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)We have to be careful to not alienate the population of Afghanistan. That won't be the case if the U.S. is fighting a local insurrection.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)But I swear, some of the gun nuts are so callous, and often bigoted , that I think it wouldn't bother them a bit.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)the Sandy Brook shooter?
As I wrote in another post, don't expect a gun lover to be stupid. There are plenty of ways to carry out a protracted war, and technology doesn't always work like it does in a movie.
BTW: How many innocent people have our drones killed abroad? I'll bet more than Sandy Brook.
What does that make us as a nation?
We reap as we sow.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)My point is that owning guns so that you can launch a revolution against the govt. is folly. The govt. has vastly superior military tech. and can easily overtake a populace in armed revolt.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)The last time the US was faced with a open revolt it took 4 years and 620k lives.
I wouldn't want to put it to the test, honestly.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)What profit is it in bombing away a large portion of the country?
Damage dealing ability doesn't translate to occupation ability nor do people who aspire to be a free people tolerate a state with forces capable of subjugating them by force and it isn't, not without decimating the population and lots of expensive infrastructure and "collateral damage".
Silly fuckers should be losing their shit to ban your vaunted drones but are trying to figure out how to be sheep.
A nation is its people.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)context for the win
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)Multiple people at multiple locations literally all over the world or even in space.
LAGC
(5,330 posts)The people who drive the tanks have to get out sometime.
The people who fly the planes...
Well, you get the idea.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)They could be here in the U.S. or aboard an aircraft carrier at sea. Or a submarine. Or in a bunker in South Dakota. Or even in fucking space.
LAGC
(5,330 posts)If the government ever alienated a broad swath of Americans, there would be leaks all over from the inside.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)They would snuff it out before American Idol got through half a season.
Insurgents would be civilians first and foremost, so they could be hiding anywhere. It wouldn't be like the Civil War where armies dutifully lined up to get shot.
Don't kid yourself. It would be a prolonged bloody mess.
Let's hope it never comes down to that in this country.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)I don't get your point.
donheld
(21,311 posts)with many more on the way.
k2qb3
(374 posts)Military and LE tend to be pro-gun.
The underlying fallacy in this fantasy of waging an actual war to eradicate your political opponents is it assumes the people you pay to carry guns for you (to eliminate guns) will follow orders to fire on American civilians.
The last thing this country needs, or anybody wants, is a civil war.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)24/7 coverage isn't that hard.
Plus this is one weapons system. We have a lot of others where an assault rife is utterly ineffective.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)donheld
(21,311 posts)Give it another day or two.
durablend
(7,460 posts)They all love remote controlled stuff!
shintao
(487 posts)No, we do not fear the US military, we fear the Mexican Army who our government refuses to protect us from. Our government has a wide open door at the CA border with illegals passing through at will. Eventually the Mexican Army is going to take advantage of that and reclaim California. We must be prepared to defend ourselves when our own government refuses to do the job. That is why we have a 2nd.
TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Red Dawn and the Turner Diaries not withstanding
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)"Who asked you to do that?"
I'm sure that the majority of Americans would rather not live under the interpretation of a Tea Bag constitution. The result will not be a sigh of relief that someone is "taking back their country" so much as a civil war.
NMDemDist2
(49,313 posts)his quote was "Hmmmm, I wonder if you'll hear the drone before it launches"
he said the guys got quiet and then all found some work calling them