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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy oh why can't we see Obama's (the most transparent presindency EVAH - snort) proposal?
Why oh why are We The People reduced to reacting to leaks and obfuscation from Jay Carney (the President's spokesperson)?
It is fucking bullshit. We The People need to be part of this conversation.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)Your vote has been cast. Your usefulness has expired.
kath
(10,565 posts)our One-Party Corporate Rule government.
We've got government of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation. (feel free to substitute "of the 1%, by the 1% and for the 1%" if you like that any better...)
(oops, meant this as a reply to the OP, not to you specifically Indydem. )
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)The President can stay in the family quarters and play with Bo instead of working hard to hand the House and Senate Dems a shit sandwich.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)CPI).
so i'm not sure why you think she'd be an improvement over obama.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)She is a legacy politico that hasn't a clue.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)She is a rich out of touch ass.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)Guess you hated FDR.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)She has never once ever advocated for anything in regards to a sustainable social safety net on behalf of the poor and working poor class. Never once ever.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)who were calling for FDR to be replaced in 1936 with a more liberal candidate.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)because she still has to sell Obama's shit sandwich to her House Dems. Once again Obama has boxed Reid and Pelosi in by playing give away.
Obama should just go play golf.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)sandwich".
she doesn't have to 'send a message' by semaphore if she doesn't choose to.
consequently, she is not 'sending a message' that we've been sold out, she's signing on to the shit sandwich.
she is a fully-fledged member of the ruling class and doesn't give a shit about the people.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)She has to convince the House Dems to vote for whatever Obama comes up with. Would you rather she allowed them to embarrass Obama? Maybe she should and then you will get it. Well on second thought no you wouldn't get it because I am sure you would then blame her instead for Obama's crap bill.
And what in the world does her personal wealth have to do with anything. Did you trash FDR for that reason? John Kennedy? Bobby Kennedy? Ted Kennedy? John Kerry? Perhaps it is women you have a problem with. yep
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Obama deserves to be embarrassed if he agrees to mess with the cost of living increases for Social Security. Embarrassment is the least he should expect.
I think there will be massive demonstrations of older people. I for one will be out there if Obama goes through with this.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)"Embarrassed". you should be ashamed to make such a comment.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)and by the way, there is a growing feeling that the wealthy in America JUST DON'T FUCKING GET IT - they are so far removed from WE THE PEOPLE they may think they know, may even TRY to know, but the divide is now so huge they JUST DON'T GET IT.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)because we all agree that we now support an imperial presidency.
Heaven forbid that the People's House, members of the THIRD BRAND OF GOVERNMENT actually step up and support the People against the King... er.., President.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)not a conversation at all at present. The masters of the universe lecture and send missives, but don't receive them.
They need to be forced to start listening.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)during the ACA talks.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)I only hope now we can stop this madness. I don't know this country anymore. I can only wonder what Jefferson would say if he could see what we have become.
jsr
(7,712 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Remember, the White House decreed that the people have no place in this conversation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021483594
Ill tell you what, when you get elected to the United States Senate and sit at that table, well have that discussion, (Axelrod) told the panel.
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There are two disturbing problems with Axelrods statements. First and foremost is his suggestion that a Social Security policy debate should only be conducted between White House officials and U.S. senatorsnot between all government officials and the general public. Its a fundamentally elitist idea that evokes notions of smoky back rooms and secret deals. Not only that, it both contradicts basic notions of civic engagement and confirms Americans fears about a government that wholly disregards the citizenry...
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)you have a policy debate between all government officials and the general public? The senators are supposed to represent you
newfie11
(8,159 posts)Not what their constituents want ESPECIALLY low income seniors.