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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor the 3000th time (*more or less*): President Obama has been promoting cuts to SS since 2011.
For my 3000th post, let me say one more time that the President has for quite some time been promoting cuts to Social Security. Below are some of the statements he made during the period of July and August of 2011, when he was negotiating for a "grand bargain" solution to the fake deficit problem. The deal the President is now offering is essentially the same one he was pushing over two years ago.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/11/press-conference-president
THE PRESIDENT: Weve said that we are willing to look at all those approaches. Ive laid out some criteria in terms of what would be acceptable. So, for example, Ive said very clearly that we should make sure that current beneficiaries as much as possible are not affected. But we should look at what can we do in the out-years, so that over time some of these programs are more sustainable.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/15/press-conference-president
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/15/press-conference-president
Essentially what we had offered Speaker Boehner was over a trillion dollars in cuts to discretionary spending, both domestic and defense. We then offered an additional $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. We believed that it was possible to shape those in a way that preserved the integrity of the system, made them available for the next generation, and did not affect current beneficiaries in an adverse way.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/22/remarks-president
If Im saying to future recipients of Social Security or Medicare that youre going to have to make some adjustments, its important that were also willing to make some adjustments when it comes to corporate jet owners, or oil and gas producers, or people who are making millions or billions of dollars.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/22/remarks-president
And the way to do it is similar to the way that Ronald Reagan and Tip ONeill fixed Social Security back in 1983. They said, okay, well make some modest adjustments that are phased in over a very long period of time; most folks dont notice them. But if we do that, and all the money goes back into Social Security -- it doesnt go anywhere else -- then theres no reason why Social Security wont be there for future generations. But, again, this is an example of where everybody gets so dug in on their positions.
And I have to say, in fairness -- because Ive commented on the other side not always being flexible -- there have been times where our side -- when Democrats arent always as flexible as we need to be. I mean, sometimes I do get frustrated when I hear folks say, you cant make any changes to any government programs. Well, that cant be right. I mean, most companies every year, theyre kind of thinking, what can we do better? Are there some changes we could make in order to have the operation go a little smoother? The government should have to do the same thing. But that doesnt mean we have to make radical changes that dismantle what is the most important social insurance program that we have. But, again, the problem is not the program, the problem is our politics.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/08/15/remarks-president-town-hall-meeting-cannon-falls-minnesota
Now, hopefully, people have other savings that help supplement their incomes in their golden years. But weve got to make sure Social Security is there not just for this generation but for the next generation. (Applause.) Now, Social Security is not posing a huge problem with respect to our debt and our deficit. There is a problem that if we dont make any modifications at all, then in a few years what will start happening is, is that the amount of money going out is more than the amount coming -- amount of money going in. And people debate how soon, but in a couple of decades youd start having a situation where youd only get 75 cents on the dollar that you expected on Social Security.
If we make some modest changes now, the kind of changes that Ronald Reagan and Tip ONeill agreed to back in 1983, we can preserve Social Security, make sure its there for the future 75 years out. So Social Security is something that we can solve relatively easily. It doesnt mean that we dont make any changes at all, because there may be some tweaks that we can make to the program, but we can assure that Social Security is there for future generations.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/08/17/remarks-president-town-hall-meeting-alpha-illinois
The "changes that Ronald Reagan and Tip ONeill agreed to back in 1983", that President Obama referred to as a model, included raising the retirement age and decreasing benefits (the latter by reducing cost-of-living adjustments):
1. Coverage of newly hired Federal employees.
2. Coverage of employees of nonprofit employers.
3. Ban on termination of coverage of State and local government employees.
4. Six-month delay in cost-of-living adjustments.
5. Modification of cost-of-living increases during periods of low trust fund balances (stabilizer provision).
6. Normalized tax transfers.
7. Extension of interfund borrowing authority.
8. Elimination of windfall benefits (for workers receiving pensions from noncovered employment).
9. Increase in normal retirement age after the year 2000.
10. Increase in delayed retirement benefits.
11. Reduced withholding rate under the retirement test.
12. Taxation of Social Security benefits.
13. Changes in tax rate schedule.
14. Acceleration of State and local tax collections.
15. Increase in benefits for certain surviving, divorced and disabled spouses.
16. Change in financing basis of noncontributory military service wage credits.
17. Reimbursement of Social Security funds for uncashed checks.
18. Change in public pension offset (for spouses with pensions from noncovered employment).
19. Taxation of contributions under salary reduction plans.
20. Suspension of benefits to certain nonresident aliens.
21. Expanded use of death certificates.
22. Other changes without significant cost impact, including provision for two more OASDI trustees from outside the government.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/pdf/1983.pdf
Iggy
(1,418 posts)Been talking about cutting our hideously bloated "defense" budget??
fasttense
(17,301 posts)Will go down in history with Herbert Hoover's great plans to get us out of the 1st RepubliCON Great Depression.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)eomer
(3,845 posts)Apparently since 2009.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Javaman
(62,530 posts)So again, how many times has it been cut?
jsr
(7,712 posts)Melinda
(5,465 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This article references 2006:
Obama and the Hamiltonian Democrats: "This is not a bloodless process."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1540315
TBF
(32,064 posts)and his comments about "having a conversation about Social Security".
No one else was talking about it except him. This is not new and he owns it.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)PETRUS
(3,678 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Oh, wait...
CARNEY: "this is a technical adjustment ... and it is one sought by Republicans."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=2025311
And that's precisely why I'm a Democrat, to give the Republicans what they want! GOBAMA!
byeya
(2,842 posts)law modifications.
So he didn't keep these promises, to be polite, but he can sure try to put the screws to the rank and file Americans.