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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:05 PM Dec 2012

Is it wrong I am more furious at the gun lobbyists and their apologists than I am at Adam Lanza?

From all that I've read so far, Adam Lanza was a mentally disturbed young man who performed an unspeakable act of horror upon 27 people and himself, including 20 young children. His mother, also a victim, had numerous guns in her own home despite having knowledge of her son's mental illness.

Certainly, there is plenty of blame to be leveled at Adam Lanza and Nancy Lanza.

However, despite my outrage at them and their culpability, I have to admit that the people at whom I find myself most angry are the gun lobbyists and "gun rights" groups, and those who--either knowingly or unknowingly--chose to apologize for them and spout their false messages.

I'm tired of the false arguments, the reductionist slogans, the attempt to claim that guns were in no way part of what went wrong last Friday. I'm tired of the head in the sand behavior, that somehow "now is not the time." I'm tired of the strawmen arguments, that anyone who wants to talk about meaningful gun control automatically wants a ban on all private gun ownership in the country. I'm tired of the fact that if one attempts to discuss the issue, these folks will use it as an excuse to gloat about the guns they own, as if they were prized possessions and toys instead of being an instrument of death only to be used in the most dire of emergencies.

I'm tired of having to go through the same cycle of discussion over and over and over again from them. Last week we had two mass murders involving guns. Two.

I hear it on other places. But I've heard it here, too. Yesterday someone posted a story that sales of AR-15s had spiked since the shooting. One DUer actually had the gall to use the story as an attempt to be cute and "complain" that stores were already sold out of AR-15s and ammunition and how high he'd had to pay for his ammunition for his AR-15 due to the demand. Disgusting. Truly disgusting.

Adam Lanza is dead now. So is Nancy Lanza. But groups like the NRA, GOA, and everyone who takes upon him/herself to repeat the same talking points and use it as an excuse to showcase their dark obsession are still very much at the forefront, and blocking all means to actually discuss the most important of issues.

Sorry.

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Is it wrong I am more furious at the gun lobbyists and their apologists than I am at Adam Lanza? (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 OP
Sadly, the apologists, the gun violence minimizers, etc. -- they made it all possible villager Dec 2012 #1
EXACTLY!!! swayne Dec 2012 #8
Well, thanks. I wish to hell it was something that never needed to be said, villager Dec 2012 #10
I agree with you 100% Myrina Dec 2012 #2
Why I am calling NRA talking parrots on it. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #3
I feel the same way. sadbear Dec 2012 #4
blaming the Lanzas is a cop-out Enrique Dec 2012 #5
The Lanzas represent marions ghost Dec 2012 #21
It's not anger its righteous fury, and it is aimed where it may do some good. Exultant Democracy Dec 2012 #6
Those who promote guns and made it easy for Lanza's mom to acquire them, are to part of problem. Hoyt Dec 2012 #7
No. Kaleva Dec 2012 #9
You can be angry at whoever you like. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #11
Well he's dead now, so end of conversation, right? Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #12
No, I never said that. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #13
I find myself more depressed about Lanza's actions than angry. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #17
There's blood on the hands of ALL the gun lovers. LOTS of blood. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #14
No, not at all. ellisonz Dec 2012 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Dec 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #18
Okay, that is actually a very true point. I apologize. closeupready Dec 2012 #19
Don't worry about it. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #20
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. Sadly, the apologists, the gun violence minimizers, etc. -- they made it all possible
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:07 PM
Dec 2012

They made it possible for Lanza to have access to the weapons that he did.

They snarked and bullied anyone who thought the proliferation of such weapons might be a bad idea. The blood is surely on their hands, too.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
10. Well, thanks. I wish to hell it was something that never needed to be said,
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:18 PM
Dec 2012

because the occasion never warranted.

But sadly, and horrifically, the day was always inevitable, as the ease of availability, and increased lethality of the weapons, grew and grew.

I wonder how the snarking denialists in the gungeon feel about their handiwork now?

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
4. I feel the same way.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:09 PM
Dec 2012

There will always be people like Adam Lanza. There doesn't have to be people who enable him and future shooters.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
5. blaming the Lanzas is a cop-out
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:09 PM
Dec 2012

they are dead. If one's only answer is to hold the Lanza's accountable, then one is saying do nothing. Because, again, the Lanzas are dead.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Those who promote guns and made it easy for Lanza's mom to acquire them, are to part of problem.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:11 PM
Dec 2012

One just can't deny it.

We need to quit glamorizing guns in our society, period.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
9. No.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:14 PM
Dec 2012

While the mother made very poor choices, she did not deserve to die. The children and other adults certainly didn't deserve their fates and even Adam, who appears to me to have been a very sick man, is also dead.

Lots of dead people who should be alive today, especially the children, but aren't because of the gun laws. One can argue that there may be many causes for this horrific tragedy but in the end, Adam's access to an arsenal is surely to blame.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
11. You can be angry at whoever you like.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:41 PM
Dec 2012

Me, personally? I am mostly angry at the person who stood over a classroom of children and blew them away. And then, as the floor literally turned into a pool of children's blood, walked into another classroom to try and do it all over again.

That's who I am mostly angry at.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
12. Well he's dead now, so end of conversation, right?
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:45 PM
Dec 2012

Nothing more to be said about the issue, I'm right about it, aren't I?

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
13. No, I never said that.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:51 PM
Dec 2012

But question was who to be the most mad at.

And the person I am most mad at is the person that did it.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
17. I find myself more depressed about Lanza's actions than angry.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:55 PM
Dec 2012

The man was clearly deeply mentally ill, and when it comes to people who are mentally ill and kill as a result of his illness, I just find their whole situation tragic in the classical sense of the word. A lot of "what ifs" and other unanswered questions in that situation.

My actually sense of anger is directed to those who feel--out of duty to an agenda--the need to say we should just shrug our collective shoulders and say, "There's nothing we can do" when there is in fact things we can do and thing we can and should discuss.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
14. There's blood on the hands of ALL the gun lovers. LOTS of blood.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:45 PM
Dec 2012

Bullies who threaten to kill anyone who wants to create a safer society free of lethal killing machines....I'm sick of it.



Freedom is not cowering in fear of our gun loving neighbors and their teen sons.

Repeal the Second Amendment Now

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Response to closeupready (Reply #16)

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
19. Okay, that is actually a very true point. I apologize.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:58 PM
Dec 2012

It's not just you; it's a lot of people.

Peace.

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