Front Cover of Time Magazine's Person Of The Year (December 31st issue)

[Playinghardball]

[Indydem]

1. "The Man Who Destroyed Social Security"

[Whisp]

2. rubbish

bollocks
crap
trash
cistern
septic field

[Indydem]

5. Chained CPI will destroy SS. Do you deny that?

[Whisp]

7. Chain Chain Chain

[Indydem]

9. Keep making jokes.

IT'S HILARIOUS!

[Whisp]

21. yes, it is. It's groundhog day here again - the Bill Murray kind. n/t

[one_voice]

3. When did that happen?

What did he do? What did he sign? Where's the link? NOT RUMORS...

Please if you don't mind providing those things.

[Indydem]

6. If the offer at this point includes chained CPI...

It isn't going to find it's way out in the final plan.

[upi402]

23. denial

much?

it was offered up, we were served up

[dennis4868]

10. I missed that...

was there a fiscal cliff agreement and a bill signed into law by Obama? Damn, I'm sick one day and missed that.

[Indydem]

11. The fact that chained CPI is on the table is a disgrace.

Make whatever excuses you want, I am done hearing them.

[dennis4868]

13. But did you not hear Carney say

that as part of the President’s proposals, he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change.

[Indydem]

15. ALL SS RECIPIENTS ARE VULNERABLE!

They are, by it's very definition, on a fixed income.

If prices rise, and inflation continues, and the wizards of smart who determine the CPI cheat, then who suffers?

[dennis4868]

45. WHAT?

Everyone, no matter how well off they are get SS benefits.

[Whisp]

22. the Pugs aren't going to accept Anything on Obama's table.

so stick your hair on fire under the tap. It's all for naught.

[Indydem]

24. And if they DO?

Then what? This is exactly what they want?

This is the camel's nose.

They get this, then they demoralize the president's base and use it against him in 2014.

[Whisp]

27. What if the Mayans are right? THEN WHAT?

lol.

I'm sure the Hamshers and ilk will do all they can to sow seeds of discontent and blatant lies to fuck up '14 - they've already started.

[BlueCaliDem]

28. Heh . . . Yeah. Me, too.

Lots of hair on fire today it's astounding!

[wandy]

30. Surly President Obama is not perfect but have you considered........

Just what kind of peoples advocate the team of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan would have made?
Face it Romney serves one master, the 1%.
Teapublicans in congress serve one master, the 1%.
47% of the voters unknowingly served that same 1%.
If you must think of Obama as the lesser of two evils then consider how any safety net 'negotiations' would have been handled by Romney.

[Indydem]

31. Who gives a fuck about Mitt RMoney?

I voted for President Barack Obama.

I did not expect to get stabbed in the back and THEN shit on.

At least with Rmoney I knew I was going to get shit on and could have gotten a raincoat.

[bemildred]

4. Awesome. nt

[Whisp]

8. Just imagine what this great man could do

if he had the proper support from both sides.

He has done so much, under so much opposition - just imagine...

wow.

[RomneyLies]

14. I supported him all the way up to the point where he stabbed me in the back

Read my sig.

[Doctor_J]

17. Or if he would support those who voted for him

instead of those who supported Rmoney

[JimDandy]

29. Not a great man any more. He's set to screw over the poorest of those who supported him.

What a joke on me for working to get him elected. Yes, I'm furious and rightly so.

[Whisp]

36. yeh, I'd ask for my money back if I were you.

you worked so hard for the screwer. fool you once! hahaha, what a joke you said.

[JimDandy]

46. Couldn't even afford to support him monetarily.

I invested a lot of personal time on him right up to 7:02 election night, though - no small thing - and a lot of time persuading center repubs in my extended family (who lived in a swing county in the all important swing state of CO) to vote for him, which they did. My arguments were based on the flip-flopping of an untrustworthy Romney and Obama's stance that there would be no cuts to Medicare and Social Security. I've already gotten an earful about Obama's new position today from one of them who depends on Social Security and Medicare.

So really, it was a cruel joke on them and all the other poor pensioners in the USA. And CRUEL jokes are never funny.

Vouching for someone, whether it's for employment purposes, loans or politics is no small thing and when the vouchee fails to come through, you lose the trust of that individual you persuade to come around to your position. Trust counts for a lot to me - apparently not so much for Obama.

[BlueCaliDem]

38. Your anger is misplaced.

President Obama is not set to hurt anyone. Just as he's found $716 BILLION in savings in Medicare to extend it's solvency, and just like he used ObamaCares to expand Medicaid, he'll do the same with social security because at this moment, it's capped at about $110k per year and yet people like billionaire McCain collects social security, too. Do you think President Obama is focusing on trying to curb that maybe? And do you think McCain is one of the poor?

[JimDandy]

47. Obama never said anything today

about removing or adjusting the cap upwards, something which I am all for. Did I miss something about that?

[BlueCaliDem]

48. I never claimed that's what he's doing.

I asked you, has it crossed your mind that this might be what he's doing, considering how those "cuts" in Medicare and Medicaid turned out to strengthen, lengthen, and is the case with Medicaid expand accessibility, the programs and not destroy them.

I'm not very good at explaining things, but here's an article by an ex-DUer who is fed up with all the anti-Obama rhetoric here, and has an own blog. He explains this much better and easier-to-understand than I ever could, and he's written about the chained CPI back in 2011 during the debt ceiling debates.

From the People's View:

The president, as part of the fiscal cliff negotiation offers and counteroffers, has apparently opened the possibility of slightly adjusting the way cost of living increases are calculated for Social Security, by tying it (and all other government accounting) to a "chained CPI" model, a more accurate measure of inflation that accounts for the idea (and fact) that consumers often replace an item with increasing prices with a less expensive substitute. Apparently, this set off more alarm bells on the Left's media than Pearl Harbor. But as with most hair-on-fire freakouts, there is less here than meets the eye.
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/12/dear-liberals-chained-cpi-is-not-cut-to.html

[dennis4868]

12. What everyone is ignoring so that they can bash Obama is that

according to Jay Carney as part of the President’s proposals for changes to SS, he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change.

[Indydem]

18. Keep making excuses.

He is not keeping his promises and you are too blind to see it.

[BlueCaliDem]

32. It's not excuses. It's in the TRANSCRIPT.

MR. CARNEY: -- part of his -- if I could please answer Sam’s question, I’d appreciate it. And the President did include it in his counterproposal, his counteroffer, as part of this process, as part of the negotiation process. I would note that this is a technical change -- would be if instated -- to the way that economists calculate inflation, and it would affect every program that has -- that uses the CPI in its calculations. And so it’s not directed at one particular program; it would affect every program that uses CPI. There are also -- as part of the President’s proposals, he would make sure that the most vulnerable were exempted out from this change.

On behalf of dennis4858, apology accepted.

[Indydem]

35. See reply#13

I've already dealt with this bullshit from Carney, as if it's not an admission that SS is getting fucked.

[BlueCaliDem]

39. There are different types of blindness. I know which one

you're inflicted with.

[Doctor_J]

19. NO cuts are necessary, period

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

[upi402]

25. bullshit and denial don't fly

we were offered up

and the very poor will get a scrap from the banquet table.

[BlueCaliDem]

34. Bull. Contrary to your belief, a LOT of millionaires and billionaires collect

social security, too.

McCain is one of them. Do you think he's one of the vulnerable?

[Indydem]

37. Yes, use the example of a few thousand people.

To excuse fucking the other 99%.

Cute.

[BlueCaliDem]

40. Spare me your faux outrage.

Nobody's fucking over the 99%. Just more hyperbole by anti-Obamanites and it's getting really tiresome. His track record trumps your prejudice, by the way.

Why are you even on a Democratic MB if you're so hellbent into believing what the TeaBaggers are hellbent on believing about this Democratic president?

Open your eyes already. Sheesh.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. That's the only unappealing photo of Obama I've ever seen. They must've made an effort. nt

[BlueCaliDem]

41. Well, TIME is a rightwing rag, so . . . eom

[Sarah Ibarruri]

44. It's obvious! Sheesh. nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

20. Hell yeah! Nice! Congratulations, Mr. President! eom

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

26. Why did they darken this photo so much? Making the black man look ominous! FAIL!

[JimDandy]

33. Because he was getting ready to screw us over. And look, he just did!

Lions, tigers, bears and OBAMA - OH MY!

[BlueCaliDem]

42. Really?

Put up or shaddup. When exactly has he "screwed us over" - hyperbole aside.

Will this president ever be good enough for people like you? Will he ever be given the benefit of the doubt even after all he's done to protect the social safety net? I don't think so.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

43. President Obama will NEVER be good enough. No matter what he does. No matter what shit sandwich

the Republicans give him, Democrats will blame HIM first, not Republicans. I wonder why this is. I have my theories.