FUCK THIS SHIT -- just heard the President DEFENDING putting SS/Medicare on the block...

[markpkessinger]

. . . while at the same time insisting that middle class tax rates must not rise.

[leftstreet]

1. Do we know if he understands what SS really is?

This is the same person who once said these programs were started for 'widows and orphans.'

[Kelvin Mace]

2. source please

[markpkessinger]

7. I'm watching his live Press Conference on ABC n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

13. Thanks!

Just needed to know where it was coming from, not doubting you.

[SugarShack]

18. Here's plenty of sources for O's plan over the last two days! He said it in debate too!

He destinctly said on Social Security, he and Romney were pretty much in agreement. I gasped. You all ignored it.


Sources:
https://www.google.com/search?source=ig&rlz=1G1LENDCENUS492&q=obama+offers+plan+to+cut+social+security+tampa+bay+times&oq=obama+offers+plan+to+cut+social+security+tampa+bay+times&gs_l=igoogle.3...886.21820.0.21938.56.45.0.10.0.1.354.6312.0j22j6j4.32.0...0.0...1ac.1.y0p9U7jN87M

[Kelvin Mace]

25. No, I didn't ignore it

I was asking for a source for the quote.

I have said all along that the Vichy Dems would sell us down the river after the election, and gotten a LOT of grief for having that opinion.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

3. Deleted.

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Completely blew up in my face.

[spanone]

6. bullshit. he said no such thing.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

9. Yes, he did. He just now said it on TV. Quote:

"Now keep in mind, I'm in that income category. I'd love to...you know...not...not pay as much in taxes."

Will you apologize in good faith?

Keep in mind, I have been an Obama supporter since his appearance at the 2004 Democratic convention. So I'm not saying this as an Obama hater.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

16. Is that the entire quote?

I've heard him say similar things while making a larger point that his income bracket HAS to pay higher taxes.

thx

[NYC Liberal]

17. Bullshit. Be honest and post the full quote:

But you know, we're right there. And on the revenue side, there's a difference in terms of them wanting to preserve tax breaks for folks between 250(,000 dollars) and a million (dollars) that we just can't afford. I mean, keep in mind, I'm in that income category. I'd love to -- you know, not -- not pay as much in taxes. But I also think it's the right thing to do for us to make sure that people who have less, people who are working, people who are striving, people who, you know, are hoping for their kids, that they have opportunity.

You left out everything he said before and after, which is that as much as he'd like to pay less in taxes (duh, everyone would in a perfect world), we cannot afford to do that if we are going to cut taxes for the middle class.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

19. I wasn't talking about what he said before or after. I was

talking about that particular sentence. Also, I was posting as fast as I could and didn't actually hear what he said after.

I have found since joining DU that my reservations as a lurker about joining have been realized. There are just too many land mines in here.

[CakeGrrl]

20. Context matters.

Guess it's too much to leave the misinformation to the likes of Fox News.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

21. That comment was completely uncalled for. I am deleting my original comment

and I am going back in to lurk mode.

There is just too much hate here.

[mattclearing]

24. There's a difference between hate and debate.

I wouldn't take it personally.

[NYC Liberal]

22. Except there's a "But..." right after that sentence.

So not posting that is dishonest.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

23. I deleted my original comment.

I admit that when I heard him say that I immediately turned to post it while it was fresh in my mind and didn't hear anything for a few minutes after that. Just goes to show that no matter how careful I think I'm being to avoid conflict on here it's going to happen one way or another, even at my hands and even to the extent of being compared to Fox News, which I simply cannot bear.

I let down my guard simply by attempting to participate. Instead of making spontaneous comments I will now double- and triple-check myself or simply not comment at all. There are just too many landmines I'd prefer to avoid as I prefer a pleasant experience to one like this thread, which now I deeply regret.

[Kelvin Mace]

26. Post in haste

repent at leisure.

Don't let it get you down. But, if you are going to quote folk, make sure you get the exact quote and the context, as it bolsters your argument.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

4. "Some things Democrats don't agree with"

Does not translate to SS/Medicare cuts.

[markpkessinger]

12. And it was in answer to a question about what his response was ...

... to those who felt betrayed by his putting Social Security and Medicare on the block. So in the context of the question he was answering, yes, it certainly DOES translate to SS/Medicare cuts!

[librechik]

5. you are not listening to the same news conference I am.

Let's agree that some folks see all sorts of things that aren't really there.

[markpkessinger]

8. And others are burying their heads in the sand n?t

[WI_DEM]

10. no deals have been made so this is just a lot of speculation on your part.

[markpkessinger]

11. And if we wait until a deal has been made to sound the alarm . . .

. . . it will be too fucking late. And the rationale the President proffered in response to a question about betraying his campaign promise not to touch Social Security is most certainly NOT my speculation. The offer he has put on the table to Boehner has been covered in the press,. and the President did not qualify those reports in the least. Open your eyes!

[No Compromise]

15. exactly

+100000

[marew]

27. Accurate post! Thank you!

This has been covered by multiple sources but people are in denial big time and being very nasty about it!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. Makes me sick. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

28. We used to have this guy called Crazy TV Lenny on local television. Lenny was offering to throw

in a crazy amount of extras if only he could get you to come in to the store and buy a sofa and love seat.

Obama has gone Crazy TV Lenny on us. The sound clip I keep hearing on NPR News has him proclaiming just how much he's willing to give away. He's gonna give away way more than most dems want to hear and what many repukes want to hear about. This is nuts. I think he may well be the republican he told us he was. He's further right on this issue than St. Ronnie for fuck's sake!

[MjolnirTime]

29. another Rumplestiltskin thread... nice.

[JimDandy]

30. Really, why did I expect anything better from him.

A weak failed leader all the way to the bitter end of term 1. But, he'll be Sooooo much better next term.

[patrice]

31. "... middle class tax rates must not rise." You can thank Nancy Pelosi for planting that bad seed.nt