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Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:21 PM Dec 2012

Wow! Boehner just did a hit and run now, didn't he?

Looks like he's going to try to hammer Grover Norquist's Plan B through tomorrow and try to hang the President with the label of "tax raiser". Did you see that "press conference?"

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Wow! Boehner just did a hit and run now, didn't he? (Original Post) Skidmore Dec 2012 OP
much as i enjoy seeing republicans cry, no, i missed it. unblock Dec 2012 #1
about 10 seconds long. spanone Dec 2012 #2
Trying to take away Obama's advantage Blaukraut Dec 2012 #3
but no way can it pass the senate. it's just for show. unblock Dec 2012 #5
It won't pass the Senate. Reid won't even bring it for a vote. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #7
Actually, Reid MUST bring it up for a vote. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #13
Boehner will add his plan to a joint resolution so it has to be voted on in Senate Blaukraut Dec 2012 #18
he can bring it up, then filibuster pscot Dec 2012 #20
Nope, you cannot filibuster a joint committee bill in the Senate. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #21
I believe there is already one similar waiting in the house that the senate already shraby Dec 2012 #8
Huh? How do you figure. bowens43 Dec 2012 #10
Epic fail on Boehner's fault. He's grandstanding before the cameras and appeasing his Teabaggers. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #17
Boehner wants to protect rich workers, while most of American's agreed to RAISE TAXES! yes! SugarShack Dec 2012 #4
Rich "workers" MNBrewer Dec 2012 #9
Seems like he's pretty sure he has the votes for his PlanB. ugh Little Star Dec 2012 #6
In the House, perhaps. blueclown Dec 2012 #12
the guy from politico on m$nbc said he doesn't have the votes....we'll see spanone Dec 2012 #14
pretty much, I was going on the I'll believe it when I see it Johonny Dec 2012 #23
That guy is an asshole. nt Firebrand Gary Dec 2012 #11
It's not going to pass the senate. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #15
Like the cowardly little eunuch he is. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #16
They won't be happy until the entire country is completely in ruins. lpbk2713 Dec 2012 #19
And Boehner picks PARTY over Country DearAbby Dec 2012 #22

unblock

(52,253 posts)
1. much as i enjoy seeing republicans cry, no, i missed it.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:23 PM
Dec 2012

plan b from outer space will go nowhere even if it does pass the house.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
3. Trying to take away Obama's advantage
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:24 PM
Dec 2012

If he manages to get his plan B passed before the fiscal cliff, Obama won't have the leverage of letting the tax cuts expire and reinstate a tax cut for 250k and below.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
5. but no way can it pass the senate. it's just for show.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:25 PM
Dec 2012

this is why i think we're going off the cliff.

both sides are posturing.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
7. It won't pass the Senate. Reid won't even bring it for a vote.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:26 PM
Dec 2012

Boehner is blustering, nothing more.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
13. Actually, Reid MUST bring it up for a vote.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:29 PM
Dec 2012

It's an amendment to a bill already passed by the House, then amended by the Senate and sent back to the House.

Procedurally, Reid has no choice but to bring it up for a vote.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
18. Boehner will add his plan to a joint resolution so it has to be voted on in Senate
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:38 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.rollcall.com/news/rules_panel_uses_shell_resolution_to_ease_path_for_boehner_tax_plan-220158-1.html?pos=oplyh


Speaker John A. Boehner’s proposed fallback plan to deal with the tax rate increases looming at the end of the year would give Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid what might be a much-needed Christmas present.
When the House Rules Committee gave formal notice of a meeting to set up floor debate for test votes on two proposals to extend some expiring tax rates, the panel’s advisory noted the measures would be offered as substitute amendments to a carefully selected but wholly unrelated bill.
The shell of a joint resolution that began as a routine annual extension of import restrictions on Myanmar will become the legislative vehicle selected for the “plan B” by Boehner, R-Ohio. The measure (H J Res 66) has already passed through both the House and Senate in different forms, which may give it obscure procedural advantages that could cut down on the time needed to approve a final fiscal cliff deal.



Using the Myanmar sanctions vehicle has another advantage in the House. There is no opportunity for the House Democrats to offer their own amendment in the form of a motion to recommit the measure.
For the GOP, the measure that Boehner on Tuesday termed his “plan B” should talks with the White House break down also is part of a voting track the speaker is using to counter objections from House conservatives that it asks them in effect to vote for a tax increase. Boehner’s office emphasized Monday the speaker’s favored amendment “does not raise taxes. It is a net tax cut that prevents a $4.6 trillion tax hike on Jan. 1.” That rhetorical point is built in part on the current law that has taxes jumping at the start of the New Year.
 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
21. Nope, you cannot filibuster a joint committee bill in the Senate.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:05 PM
Dec 2012

Boehner used Senate rules to his advantage on this one.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
8. I believe there is already one similar waiting in the house that the senate already
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:26 PM
Dec 2012

passed. If the house votes on their version, they just need reconciled and the bill is good to go.
Unless the house one is drastically different.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
17. Epic fail on Boehner's fault. He's grandstanding before the cameras and appeasing his Teabaggers.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:37 PM
Dec 2012

It's bullshit. And for once, we shouldn't fall for it!

 

SugarShack

(1,635 posts)
4. Boehner wants to protect rich workers, while most of American's agreed to RAISE TAXES! yes!
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:25 PM
Dec 2012

people who earn like 989K??? Really? Boehner is nuts. The wars have come due. How unpatriotic of those repubs.

spanone

(135,844 posts)
14. the guy from politico on m$nbc said he doesn't have the votes....we'll see
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:33 PM
Dec 2012

harry reid isn't going to bring it up for a vote...it's bullshit posturing

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
23. pretty much, I was going on the I'll believe it when I see it
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:37 PM
Dec 2012

I can't tell if he's trying to pressure Obama to back it so he will have enough house Dems to pass it or he is going to somehow twist enough Republicans arms? Which is something a lot of people doubt. If he needs the Dems then he needs to use the Dems 400,000 K number at least... fake drama so exciting

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
15. It's not going to pass the senate.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:35 PM
Dec 2012

That was just his way of saying "I have no control over these nutty Teabaggers, and they scare me!"

Get your parachutes out. It looks like we're cliff diving.

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
19. They won't be happy until the entire country is completely in ruins.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:43 PM
Dec 2012



Their damned obstructionism has brought us close enough to the brink as it is.
They would rather ruin the country than do anything that might be perceived as
going along with the Dems or more specifically Obama.


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