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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:40 PM Dec 2012

Blackface for the holidays

Blackface for the holidays
Dutch deny racism in 'Zwarte Piet' holiday tradition.



Is the Dutch tradition of Zwarte Piet, depicting Saint Nicholas' helpers in black-face, a cultural treasure or racism? Those who love Zwarte Piet say it’s for the children and those outside The Netherlands just don’t get it. The fans claim there’s no racist intent. Those opposed argue the custom was born of the nation’s slave-trading past and it’s a harmful and stereotypical portrayal.

The character of "Black Pete" traditionally joins Sinterklaas, or Saint Nicholas, as they travel around the Netherlands, handing out candy and presents until December 6th. He is beloved in his home country, but draws critiques for his black-face makeup and dim-witted behaviour. Below is footage from festivities celebrating Sinterklaas and Black Pete.

The first appearance of Black Pete was in a children's story written by Jan Schenkman in 1850.

Black Pete was historically a Moorish character who would kidnap bad children and take them to his native Spain. Today, he is said to have a black face because of the soot in chimneys.

http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/christmas-blackface-0022443-0022443

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Blackface for the holidays (Original Post) The Straight Story Dec 2012 OP
Holiday tradition voteearlyvoteoften Dec 2012 #1
Disney made a change to their toon this year re: it The Straight Story Dec 2012 #3
LOL. Your handle kind of sounds like it could be the name of a small Dutch village RZM Dec 2012 #7
I kind of like that their Santa's assistant is Black. ieoeja Dec 2012 #2
Wow, interesting... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #5
This is good stuff for people who have run out of things to be outraged about (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #4
Meh, it's DU - there is never a shortage The Straight Story Dec 2012 #6
You should check out David Sedaris' take on it name not needed Dec 2012 #8
LOL - he mentioned Columbus The Straight Story Dec 2012 #9
There are only two people in this world I can't stand. Separation Dec 2012 #10
I'm going to try really, really hard to give a fuck... Marinedem Dec 2012 #11

voteearlyvoteoften

(1,716 posts)
1. Holiday tradition
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:20 PM
Dec 2012

They are calling him sooty not black so they have made an effort to keep the tradition and make it more PC.
Oma and Opa are keeping the old ways going. You can't please everyone.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
3. Disney made a change to their toon this year re: it
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:22 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.thelocal.se/45080/20121214/#.UNIh07Tp4Vs

Disney has deleted scenes from the old Santa's Workshop reel, Sveriges Television announced on Friday, cutting out the stereotypical black doll from Sweden's traditional Christmas Eve broadcast of the Disney mash-up.

SVT said that at least two scenes will be cut from this year's staple diet of Christmas television programming.

One scene features a black doll parading before Santa Claus before stamping herself on the behind with Santa's 'OK' quality stamp. The doll has dreadlocks and oversized red lips, corresponding broadly to stereotypes that many find offensive.

A second now-deleted scene shows a man in a green suit with an oversize nose, white beard, and black hat performing a Cossack dance. That has been cut as it could be perceived as playing on stereotypes of Jews.
 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
7. LOL. Your handle kind of sounds like it could be the name of a small Dutch village
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:41 PM
Dec 2012

All those Vs and Es.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
2. I kind of like that their Santa's assistant is Black.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:21 PM
Dec 2012

The story has adapted to the times over history.

It appears to have started with co-opting the black crows of Woden. American Santa "just knows" who is naughty or nice. Dutch Santa/Woden has Black Pete/crows whose job it is to uncover who is naughty or nice.

A modern addition to the tale has Santa rescuing Black Pete from slavery. Pete asks Santa to take him on as his assistant. One could do worse for a living, yes?


As to the part being played by White actors who use makeup to look Black ... I'm thinking there are not too many Black Dutch actors, and using makeup to look the part is just standard theatre. They aren't doing a Minstrel show here. They are playing a beloved, and respected, character.

 

OneMoreDemocrat

(913 posts)
5. Wow, interesting...
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:24 PM
Dec 2012

Having Black Pete out there investigating and uncovering naughtiness is much more interesting...when I have kids I might go with this version of the story; way cooler than our own.

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