Just remember: "GUN SAFETY LAWS" ...not 'gun regulation,' not 'BAN on (whatever)'..GUN SAFETY laws.

[TrollBuster9090]

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If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I'm sorry to say it's time for us to flatter Frank "F-ck You Frank" Luntz. But we have to take control of the language while we still can.

We are not pushing for GUN REGULATION laws

We're pushing for COMMON SENSE, GUN SAFETY LAWS.


Edit: PS-The NRA is going to hold a press conference on Friday, and we can already guess what they're going to say.

WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEIR LIE BEFORE they get a chance to say it!

They're going to suggest pressuring gun manufacturers for a VOLUNTARY ban on assault weapons and clips (so that the big, bad, tyrannical old Gubmint doesn't have to get involved). The gun makers will agree to the ban, and then lift it a year from now after the heat is off them.

DON'T LET THIS TRICK EVEN GET OFF THE GROUND. Start talking about it now, and exposing it for what it is so that it will have no traction. We must make that lie a NON-STARTER.

[tblue]

1. Delicate little wusses, aren't they?

I take your point. We have to pussyfoot around the dead bodies so these trigger-happy misanthropes don't get their dander up. I get it. Pisses me off though. Hate those people.

[TrollBuster9090]

4. We're never going to convince THOSE people that blue-helmeted U.N. troops aren't coming for their

their GUNZ!
We're competing for the hearts and minds of the majority of moderate, rational people. Perhaps one third of whom can be swayed by the language of "government REGULATION" rather than "safety." I, for one, am not going to give the conservative propagandists one inch of territory in the ideology spectrum. This is (literally) war. A war between the sane and the insane, and there are about 30 000 'casualties' in that war ever year.

[spanone]

2. i want semi and automatic weapons BANNED and all weapons REGULATED.

[TrollBuster9090]

5. So do I. But politics is the art of the possible.

[arthritisR_US]

3. You are absolutely right!

[bongbong]

6. Rhetoric to add

To get really in-their-face, how about naming any prospective law the:

"Common Sense Child Safety and Pro-Life Act"

[TrollBuster9090]

9. Hah! Yeah, that would do it.

The NRA is going to give a press conference on Friday. I can already guess what they're going to 'propose.'


They're going to propose pressuring gun manufacturers to have a 'VOLUNTARY BAN' on assault weapons, to avoid having the big, bad, ham-fisted, tyrannical GUBMINT do it. We have to expose this lie before they get a chance to use it.

The gun companies will just agree, and then rescind the voluntary ban a year from now when the spotlight is off again.

[bongbong]

14. Bet you're right!

I will be watching closely what those weasels say...bookmarking your post.

[quinnox]

7. very true, language matters

and The "Gun Safety" 2013 Act, is an easy sell compared to the other terms.

[2naSalit]

8. Indeed. This was a point made

by one of the guests on the Ed Show last night. We can't let them have control over the message language. If we take that wedge tool away from them, we will maintain the upper hand on this. In political parlance, words are used as tools in the framing and that's what we have to keep control of here. It chumps/trumps the NRA screechfest before it gets a leg-hold on the TeeVee and elsewhere. It will help give those who don't agree with the upper echelon a way to take a closer look and add their views to the argument for sanity.

Thanks for reiterating that point!

[TrollBuster9090]

11. That's where I got the idea, and I noticed that Ed was already using the new language.

The rest of us have to follow the lead if it's going to go anywhere.

Do you have a link to that clip from the Ed Show, by the way? I don't, but it would be nice to have.

THANKS!

[2naSalit]

25. Here ya go...

Whew, I couldn't remember which segment it was so I had to watch a few of them. That specific part of the conversation is about half way through it but all of the conversation covers lot of ground on the issue and who's saying what.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755822/ns/msnbc-the_ed_show/#50231895

[Blue Idaho]

10. Winning the message war...

How we say what we say is important. This is not about convincing liberals and progressives, it's about reaching independents without closing their minds. Thanks to the NRA the phrase "gun control" carries a lot of baggage - it suggests nameless faceless officials walking in your house and taking away your guns. Its time to change the message. Who can argue with "common sense gun safety?" It sounds much more like a group effort to protect everyone in a community from needless gun violence.

If we can get past the Pavlovian response to buzz phrases created by the NRA, we may all agree that ninety round clips, military style assault weapons, sawed off (tactical) shotguns, and "Dirty Harry" handguns do not belong in the hands of civilians.

[LP2K12]

12. Question.

What is a "Dirty Harry" handgun?

[Blue Idaho]

15. Handguns popularized by the movie Dirty Harry...

Large caliber revolvers and pistols...

[LP2K12]

19. Makes sense...

Go figure that would go over my head. I'm a gun owner, but I've never been into that mindset.

[TrollBuster9090]

16. Here, we'll let Dirty Harry himself answer that.

And also explain why Gun Nuts invited him to the GOP Convention.

[TrollBuster9090]

13. Yep, as Chris Mathiews said, the 2nd Amendment crowd rise and sleep with the idea that the

government is trying to take away their guns. They're one issue voters. Meanwhile, the rest of us have other things to worry and think about, and the gun issue only comes into our minds when there is a senseless slaughter of the innocent. If we're ever going to do anything about it, it has to be now.

We're never going to convince the gun nuts that there needs to be greater regulation, but at least we can stop the gun nuts from having the advantage on language propaganda, which they've enjoyed for decades.

[Blue Idaho]

17. The Gun Nuts are a minority...

We need convince ordinary Americans just how unsafe the gun crowd is making our streets.

[TrollBuster9090]

20. Damned right, and crackpots like Louis Gohmert need to be shoved front and center as examples of

these idiots, suggesting that the solution to crackpots coming in to schools and mowing down children is to start arming all the teachers.

[Blue Idaho]

23. I am a teacher.

I have taught for thirty years now. All my training, all my class work, all the seminars I have attended and given and not one ever delt with shooting a classroom assassin armed with an assault rifle loaded with a ninety round clip.

In my professional opinion as an educator, more weapons equals more bullets, equals more death and carnage. If these dumbshits really like this idea, let them pass legislation that lets people bring their weapons into the House, the Senate, and every courtroom in America.

[TrollBuster9090]

24. Hah! Good point! Some Democrat should introduce a bill allowing weapons into the House

of Representatives, and see who dares to vote for it. Get rid of the metal detectors at the door of the Capital Building, and just rely on House Representatives bringing their own guns into the House as a way of deterring gun violence against them. See how far that gets.

[Hoyt]

26. And they will get shot first, Gohmert you ignorant hack.

[Mojorabbit]

27. Now we are down to pistols too?

I am a female who has several pistols.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

18. Jonathan Alter was great last night on Tweety's show. He maintained that we should change the

language. "Gun safety laws" is much better than "gun control" or "regulation".

[Warren DeMontague]

21. "enforce the laws already on the books" "allow citizens to defend themselves from armed criminals"

[TrollBuster9090]

22. Well, of course the irony is that ordinary citizens already CAN defend themselves from armed

criminals. Citizens with no criminal record or history of mental illness can get guns that are more than adequate for self defense. The problem is that all the loopholes in the current gun laws (third party sellers) make it easier for criminals to GET guns. That's what we have to start pointing out.

The gun manufacturer's lobby doesn't want anybody to realize this, because it's a RACKET.
1. Make it easy for criminals to get guns through third party sellers.
2. Scare the public about how many criminals have guns.
3. The public buys more guns.
4. Go to step 1...repeat ad nauseam.

How ironic is it that the paranoid nutcases were accusing Obama and Eric Holder of making it easy for Mexican drug gangs to get guns (through the 'fast and frivolous' faux scandal) as an excuse to tighten gun laws. When in fact, THE OPPOSITE scam is currently running, big time. The Gun Lobby makes it easy for CRIMINALS to get guns, scaring the general public into buying even MORE guns, and around and around we go. Until there are now more guns in America than people.

[Dems to Win]

28. 'Gun safety' is an oxymoron that I resist using. The only safe gun is a melted down former gun