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trailmonkee

(2,681 posts)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:13 PM Dec 2012

unfuckingbelievable!? Top Conservative Publication: Shooting Occurred Because Women Ran The School??

Seriously???

Top Conservative Publication: Shooting Occurred Because Women Ran The School


Victoria Soto, 27-year-old teacher killed while protecting her students.

If there were fewer women and more “male aggression” in Sandy Hook Elementary School, the massacre there never would have taken place, according to a contribution to a leading conservative magazine.

National Review, whose in-house editorial suggested Newtown was the price of the Second Amendment, published a piece on Wednesday from anti-feminist Charlotte Allen suggesting the reason the shooter was able to kill so many students was because Newtown was a “feminized setting:”

There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys (it was a K–6 school), all the personnel — the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the “reading specialist” — were female. There didn’t even seem to be a male janitor to heave his bucket at Adam Lanza’s knees. Women and small children are sitting ducks for mass-murderers. The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, seemed to have performed bravely. According to reports, she activated the school’s public-address system and also lunged at Lanza, before he shot her to death. Some of the teachers managed to save all or some of their charges by rushing them into closets or bathrooms. But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm. Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak — but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel. Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.


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unfuckingbelievable!? Top Conservative Publication: Shooting Occurred Because Women Ran The School?? (Original Post) trailmonkee Dec 2012 OP
"Charlotte Allen " Remember, she is the one who wrote this memorable column Mass Dec 2012 #1
Male teachers who played football in high school gollygee Dec 2012 #2
To have more males, teaching would have to pay more and be higher status. SharonAnn Dec 2012 #39
this obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #43
Whomp, there it is. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #44
That truly beggars the imagination. hifiguy Dec 2012 #3
Yet... bongbong Dec 2012 #10
Wow, that is simply some industrial strength stupid right there. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #4
In awe of such breathtaking stupidity deutsey Dec 2012 #5
it deserves the "Ann Coulter" award quinnox Dec 2012 #6
in addition to being unbelievably stupid, flakey_foont Dec 2012 #7
Was that written by Al Bundy? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #8
I keep thinking Lindsay Dec 2012 #9
That woman is an idiot. tblue Dec 2012 #11
I find this woman's thought process almost as hard to process as the carnage itself. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #12
It's a FACT children and parents Politicalboi Dec 2012 #13
their only hope is to keep the discussion moronic Enrique Dec 2012 #14
Disgusting. The only decent thing National Review ever did was their Altas Shrugged review. white_wolf Dec 2012 #15
Yeah, and Aurora was a feminized setting too. mainer Dec 2012 #16
It's because of "teh gays" in the arts and military, doncha know? deutsey Dec 2012 #21
Its always my peoples fault dontcha know n/t Agschmid Dec 2012 #47
Not surprised really. The National Review isn't eveny worthy of being used as toilet paper. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #17
WRONG Please proceed Dec 2012 #18
on top of everything else dsc Dec 2012 #19
I think males in an elementary school setting are a good thing. . . Journeyman Dec 2012 #20
The republican War on Women (and and apparently children, too) is ongoing Berlum Dec 2012 #22
Boy, that is nauseating. Those female teachers were just too TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #23
Women teachers and staff died trying to protect their students. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #24
The women of Sandy Hook Elementary had dinosaur balls BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #25
hatred of women continues MFM008 Dec 2012 #26
omg, I went to the National Review page to read the whole article.... Little Star Dec 2012 #27
nevermind. I found it. Beaverhausen Dec 2012 #35
Just wait tomorrow it will be Separation Dec 2012 #28
Can these people get any more stupid? CanonRay Dec 2012 #29
Charlotte Allen and nor Christine Hoff Sommers obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #30
In an ironic fashion, she has a point. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #31
Howbout Ninja teachers, 007 super spy teachers or Robocop? livefromsac Dec 2012 #32
So dumb. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #33
I'm sure there were more adults at that school than the 6 that were killed. Were none of them male? Beaverhausen Dec 2012 #34
There was at very least the janitor, so no, it's not true. JHB Dec 2012 #40
Yes, if only Chuck Norris ran the school, all the children would be safe. Quantess Dec 2012 #36
That sort of stupidity should cause great physical pain to Allen et alia REP Dec 2012 #37
And Fort Hood was feminized? That's why it got attacked? mainer Dec 2012 #38
And it was a woman Aerows Dec 2012 #46
Funny....I was thinking that the school needed a lot LESS "male aggression" kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #41
It's the GUNS, assholes! Not godlessness, not "feminization"... VOX Dec 2012 #42
Seemed to have performed bravely? Aerows Dec 2012 #45
The GOP 'War on Women' continues. n/t Tx4obama Dec 2012 #48
Sometimes I think conservatives love to be obnoxious a******s. reformist2 Dec 2012 #49

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. Male teachers who played football in high school
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:14 PM
Dec 2012

aren't immune to bullets. My God.

The stupid. I can't handle it.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
3. That truly beggars the imagination.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:15 PM
Dec 2012

This has to be one of the ten stupidest things any human being has said since the dawn of time.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
4. Wow, that is simply some industrial strength stupid right there.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:16 PM
Dec 2012

But I suppose for someone completely inculcated in that sort of gender role stereotyping, it makes a certain sick sense...

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
6. it deserves the "Ann Coulter" award
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:17 PM
Dec 2012

given for the most whacked out attention whoring opinion pieces imaginable.

flakey_foont

(3,338 posts)
7. in addition to being unbelievably stupid,
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:18 PM
Dec 2012

this piece is so disrespectful, so insensitive...

do these people have no shame? no basic human decency??

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
13. It's a FACT children and parents
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:22 PM
Dec 2012

Feel safer when a woman is watching their child over a male. How many babysitters were male in your household? Not counting brothers who had to watch you. Did you need the manliness of a male to protect your kids while you and your wife go out to a movie and dinner.
Feminized my ass. Who does a child cry first for almost 100% of the time. MOMMY. And I don't even have kids. Most schools have women for teachers.

I wonder if this woman would drop her 2 year old off at an all male pre-school, and not have to think twice about it.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
14. their only hope is to keep the discussion moronic
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:25 PM
Dec 2012

a sane discussion of this tragedy is very likely to lead to gun control, and they can't risk that. This stupidity is deliberate.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
15. Disgusting. The only decent thing National Review ever did was their Altas Shrugged review.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:29 PM
Dec 2012

Which was like 50 years ago, but admittedly awesome. This, however, is disgusting. Sexist bullshit. I'm going to go write an angry email that will be ignored.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
16. Yeah, and Aurora was a feminized setting too.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:34 PM
Dec 2012

No manly men in that theater, no sirree.

Same with Fort Hood. No manly men anywhere!

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
17. Not surprised really. The National Review isn't eveny worthy of being used as toilet paper.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:38 PM
Dec 2012

What's scary is that more people are subscribing to this rag every year.

 

Please proceed

(59 posts)
18. WRONG
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:40 PM
Dec 2012

K through 4th grade.

Male janitor ran through the school alerting everyone to the threat.

Female teachers and staff were heroic and saved lives.

This idiot can't even get the facts straight, someone is supposed to think she has a valid point?

Only a moron would read that crap and believe it, I guess the readers of that publication are morons.

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
20. I think males in an elementary school setting are a good thing. . .
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:42 PM
Dec 2012

there are plenty of young children all over the nation who need a stable adult male in their lives.

In a situation such as Sandy Hook, however, I suspect it would only have resulted in a male name listed among the dead. Probably alongside those of the huskier 12-year-olds.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
23. Boy, that is nauseating. Those female teachers were just too
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:50 PM
Dec 2012

wimpy in the face of a hail of bullets, huh? I'm sure men would have done MUCH better as they were ambushed and shot to death...

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
24. Women teachers and staff died trying to protect their students.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:50 PM
Dec 2012

The principal and another office staffer died while trying to stop an armed gunman. I don't see how the women at the school could be any more heroic. Charlotte Allen is the biggest horse's ass.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
25. The women of Sandy Hook Elementary had dinosaur balls
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:03 PM
Dec 2012

The bravest people I ever heard of in my life. Charging into gunfire,shielding children from bullets, keeping 15 children calm and quiet while a gunman was raging in the next room.

Mary Ann Murphy; she hugged her autistic student Dylan while they both took bullets.

How nice that the author could bring herself to say that Principal Hochsprung "seemed" to have performed bravely. She told her colleagues to go hide while she confronted the killer, all 5'2" of her. They said afterward that they owe their lives to her.

I don't know, disgust isn't even the word.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
28. Just wait tomorrow it will be
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:11 PM
Dec 2012

That the Iranians are claiming that this was the work of Israeli Mossad hit squads....

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
30. Charlotte Allen and nor Christine Hoff Sommers
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:18 PM
Dec 2012

Guessed the wrong arch conservative anti feminist.

Also, the janitor was there, and I believe he was an adult male, and one who acted as a "Paul Revere." Or rather, a Sybil Ludington.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
31. In an ironic fashion, she has a point.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:32 PM
Dec 2012

Not intentionally, and of course in classic conservative-confusionist fashion she's got the facts exactly reversed.

Prima facie, women and children were the target. This may have primarily been a femicide.

livefromsac

(6 posts)
32. Howbout Ninja teachers, 007 super spy teachers or Robocop?
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:35 PM
Dec 2012

Because a school full of foolball teachers just aint ridiculous enough

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
34. I'm sure there were more adults at that school than the 6 that were killed. Were none of them male?
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:58 PM
Dec 2012

Is this even true?

JHB

(37,160 posts)
40. There was at very least the janitor, so no, it's not true.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:21 PM
Dec 2012

For someone who claims to have pored over the building layout and timeline, she seems to have missed that large hole in her theory.

But then, The National Review is not in the fact business. It's in the "catapult the propaganda" sector.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
36. Yes, if only Chuck Norris ran the school, all the children would be safe.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:04 PM
Dec 2012

Does anyone else think they watch too much Walker Texas Ranger?

REP

(21,691 posts)
37. That sort of stupidity should cause great physical pain to Allen et alia
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:06 PM
Dec 2012

At least twice as much as it caused me just to read the excerpts.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
46. And it was a woman
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:18 PM
Dec 2012

that took two bullets stopping that creep. I don't know what she thinks bravery is, but there is nothing helplessly passive about charging a gunman so that others can live, and that's exactly what that principal did. She had balls of steel. A man couldn't have stopped those bullets with his body any better than she did.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
42. It's the GUNS, assholes! Not godlessness, not "feminization"...
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:00 PM
Dec 2012

Not even mental illness -- it's the goddamn public health issues of guns and the culture of death that permeates our society.

More and more, it becomes clear that the greatest threat to our nation is the right wing -- with its gun fetishists, hyper religious zealots, anti-progress goons, cheap-labor barons, etc.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
45. Seemed to have performed bravely?
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:15 PM
Dec 2012

If that isn't bravery, I don't know what is. Helpless passivity? I'll tell you what Sandy Hook might have been like if there were some male teachers and some huskier boys. They'd be dead right along side of the women, and she would probably be concocting some other dumb story to push her agenda.

The most dangerous and brave person can be a woman protecting children. No amount of testosterone can stop a bullet. Charlotte Allen is clearly one of the dumbest women on the planet. I'd like to see her husband or sons, if she has any of them, stop a bullet because they have a penis. Actually, no, I wouldn't because I'm a better person that she is. What a horse's ass.

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