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Todd Akin, of legitimate rape fame, a man whose views were judged so repugnant by a conservative electorate that they sent back to the Senate a woman they pretty much couldn't stand, got to set back the repeal of DADT today. There is now a conscious clause allowing that people who hate gays can't be punished for their beliefs presumedly no matter how or to whom those beliefs are expressed. This is mother fucking disgraceful and each and every Democrat who caved on this deserves to be ridden out of town on a rail.
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2012/12/18/defense-budget-bill-includes-conscience-provision/
The final version of major Pentagon budget legislation includes watered-down conscience language similar to the anti-gay provision found in the House version of the bill, according to a top House Democrat on defense issues.
Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, affirmed during a Capitol Hill news conference Tuesday language along the lines of Section 536 of the House bill made its way into the conference report for the fiscal year 2013 defense authorization bill, although the scope of the language is more limited.
Other language found under Section 537 of the House bill prohibiting same-sex marriages from taking place on military bases, Smith said, was removed from the final version of the bill. Smith made the remarks in response to a question from the Washington Blade.
We struck the second provision, Smith said. There is modified conscience clause language still in the bill
Basically, you can believe what you believe and not be punished for it, but if your actions based on those beliefs are counter to the Uniform Code of Military Justice or counter to whats necessary, that can be held against you. But you cant be punished solely for your beliefs. We modified that first language, struck the second language.
Asked whether the language applies to only chaplains or all service members, Smith replied, Anybody.
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This bill needs vetoed and the people who accepted the language removed from their respective committees.
williesgirl
(4,033 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)but now a gay soldier can be called a worthless faggot by his superior officer and have no recourse whatsoever.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)so much bull shit in the USA. Here, they almost passed a law making discrimination in a hospital perfectly legal, for example, if one were thought to be gay... services could just be stopped, probably kicked out on the street in front of the hospital. Now, with teabaggers fully in charge of the state gestapo government, after the 2012 elections, it will in fact probably become law if voted on again.
dsc
(52,162 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)interpretation? What does the Military Code of Conduct call for?
dsc
(52,162 posts)to his gay private every day.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)or better yet Specialist. I think we need to see what the Code of Conduct says about this. I'm not disagreeing with your analysis, simply questioning it. The military has reported no problems since DADT has been repealed....it seems even the 'Jar heads' have readily adjusted. With an all volunteer military, I think they'll have to make some adjustments. Just like they are going to have to do more to protect the women serving.
dsc
(52,162 posts)which now is forbidden.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)he can be punished for acting on them...at least that's what you posted originally...and calling one of hos subordinates a worthless faggot is acting on them.
dsc
(52,162 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)If he walks around the barracks saying things like that, I'd bet his superior officer could bust him.... The one thing about the military is that always hold true is that "rank has its privileges" But we will have to wait to see how this plays out. Is there a decent republican left anywhere in the nation I wonder?
dsc
(52,162 posts)what if instead the sgt merely read bible verses calling for homosexuals to be put to death as part of his daily devotion done out loud.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)Unit cohesion is everything... The Sgt would definitely find himself a corporal if he destroys the cohesion of his unit. I'd be willing to bet that this will raise some eyebrows and roll some eyes for those responsible for the rules and that the generals will make it known that the type of behavior which concerns you will not be acceptable. Remember, the military integrated years before and with much less friction than society in general. While that is not to say there were no racial slurs thrown around in the early days, the superior officers eventually got it to work pretty well. And you can be sure that buried somewhere in the congressional records is a bill that did for racists in the military what this one proposes for the homophobes.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)if somehow persecution and discrimination can be included ... somehow. Look at what people of color go through in the good old USA when the old boys' club gets a chance. Racism like homophobia thrives and is still doing very well.