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It's a horrible crime and he should pay for it, although we know he'll never do any time. But my opinion is that even if he never touched any of those girls, he was best friends with a pedophile for years. Would you be close friends with a pedophile? And why didn't Trump report what was going on to the police? If you witness adults using kids for sex, you have a duty to report it or you are culpable as well, or at least that's the way I see it. Good people have a responsibility to protect children if they see them harmed. Just being friends with Epstein is damning enough in my estimation. But he knew what was happening and carried on like Epstein was running a normal business.
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Zorro
(18,355 posts)Trump owned/controlled the Miss Universe, Miss USA, and the Miss Teen USA organizations.
Epstein was best friends with Trump.
Epstein was convicted of sex crimes with minors.
Connect the dots.
YodaMom2
(154 posts)The only guest/judge he invited to this event? Jeffrey Epstein.
He was procuring…
sheshe2
(96,130 posts)YodaMom2
(154 posts)
Wiz Imp
(9,085 posts)
And I think he realized early on that the operation was a perfect opportunity for blackmail. IMO, that was the whole point.
He was considering a career in politics even then, and collected as much dirt on people as he could. And it has served him well.
louis-t
(24,575 posts)They think it makes him 'manly'. 
littlemissmartypants
(31,773 posts)
still-prayin4rain
(525 posts)
milestogo
(22,650 posts)I watched the series on Netflix last night. There was a man who worked as support staff on Epstein's island. He saw who was there and what was going on. He related seeing a naked man with 3 topless underage girls on the beach, and he smiled when he talked about it.
Later on someone asked him if he had any children and he said he had two teenaged daughters. That's when he made the connection and quit.
Haggard Celine
(17,697 posts)Working for a pedophile at an underage brothel. I hope he's proud of himself.
milestogo
(22,650 posts)And so was everyone else who knew what was going on and didn't report it.
Ocelot II
(129,313 posts)that Trump indulged in the same heinous abuse of minors, and a lot of people knew Epstein in some capacity (Epstein was a social climber who sought out other wealthy, connected people), Trump's relationship with him seems to have been especially close. Epstein had a phone book containing hundreds of names; a reporter tried to call all of them, and it turned out that most were casual acquaintances, business contacts or various suppliers of routine services - nothing skeevy. But Trump had multiple phone numbers, seems to have hung out with or partied with Epstein pretty often, and they were neighbors in Palm Beach. Their relationship fell apart only after Trump screwed Epstein on a real estate deal. It's hard to believe Trump didn't know what Epstein was getting up to for more than 10 years, even if he wasn't also doing it. It's also hard to believe that Trump didn't have it on with girls/women that were supplied by Epstein - possibly underage. (And even if they weren't underage, wasn't Trump married during the entire time he was friends with Epstein? So he's an adulterous sleazebag at minimum - but we knew that.) In any event, how does anyone stay friends with someone who's doing what Epstein was doing. He had to have known.
Years ago, a friend and I got to be casual friends with a man who lived in her apartment building. He was charming, friendly, funny, entertaining to hang out with. So one winter he went on a vacation to Thailand for a few weeks. When he got back he regaled us with stories about the delightful young man he'd met and had a "relationship" with. From the photos it was obvious that the "young man" was just a kid, probably a rent boy who sold himself to American tourists. He didn't deny that the boy was underage but didn't seem to think it was a big deal because that's what went on over there. We were appalled, said so, and refused to have anything more to do with him. That's how you treat people who do shit like that - at a minimum.
Walleye
(43,889 posts)FalloutShelter
(14,208 posts)Let's believe the victims who have spoken out, and live in fear for their lives.
Ocelot II
(129,313 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,085 posts)Only 2 women have accused Trump of sexual assault or sexual abuse when they were under age 18. One of them later admitted she was lying. That leaves only 1 person who has accused Trump of wrongdoing against girls under 18. (She filed a suit against Trump under the pseudonym Katie Johnson but later retracted it). While Trump may have engaged in those activities, at this point there is no public evidence or corroborated accusations against him for this. Meanwhile, numerous women who Epstein victimized when they were under 18 have spoken publicly that they saw Trump on Epstein's island but never saw or heard of any wrongdoing by Trump.
On the other hand, everyone seems to agree that anyone who ever set foot in Epstein's house on the island had to know what he was doing. So this is the thing that there is little doubt that Trump is guilty of - Trump knew what Epstein was doing but never said anything to anyone about it. Trump was certainly aware of the heinous nature of Epstein's activities and simply didn't care. I contend this is worse than anything Trump himself may have done. Epstein reportedly had over 1000 victims. If Trump had spoken out about Epstein when he knew what was going on, he probably could have saved hundreds of girls from being victimized.
dpibel
(3,801 posts)I've never before heard that numerous women have publicly said they saw Trump at Epstein's island but never saw or heard that he'd done wrong.
Honestly. I'm not questioning your veracity. I've just never heard this before.
Thanks.
Wiz Imp
(9,085 posts)Virginia Giuffre
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/09/epstein-mar-a-lago-trump-1456221
Giuffre also denied aspects of a reporter’s claim that she said: “Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey’s. He didn’t partake in any sex with any of us but he flirted with me. He’d laugh and tell Jeffrey, ‘you’ve got the life.’”
“’Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey’s.’ That part is true. ‘He didn’t partake in any’ of — any sex with any of us but he flirted with me.’ It’s true that he didn’t partake in any sex with us, but it’s not true that he flirted with me. Donald Trump never flirted with me,” Giuffre clarified later.
Note, however that Giuffre effectively said that Trump had to know what Epstein was doing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/17/trump-epstein-relationship-records/
Johanna Sjoberg
She recounted that when Epstein’s plane would have to land in Atlantic City, New Jersey, “Jeffrey said, ‘Great, we’ll call up Trump’” and go to a casino, she said in her deposition. Sjoberg also said she never gave Trump a massage.
Maria Farmer (she accused Trump of creepy behavior but not sexual assault or abuse)
https://www.newsweek.com/maria-farmer-jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump-interaction-ghislaine-maxwell-2102241
Speaking to Erin Burnett on CNN, Farmer recounted an alleged encounter with Trump. She said that while she was waiting at Epstein's offices, Trump had arrived there. She alleged that Trump had stood over her, in a way that she described as "imposing," and that he had looked at her "like he was in on some secret or something."
"I felt threatened, so I made an ugly face," Farmer says in the interview. She then states that Epstein said "Oh no, no, no," and added, "She's not here for you," before escorting Trump out of the room.
4 victims who testified in Ghislane Maxwell's trial all testified to no wrongdoing by Trump:
I don't have time to go further than this now but could later.
None of Epstein's victims who have made statements publicly or anonymously (except the one person known as Katie Johnson or Jane Doe) have ever alleged any sexual wrongdoing by Trump.
Some other known victims (none of whom have accused Trump of anything):
Jennifer Araoz
Alicia Arden
Rachel Benavidez
Juliette Bryant
Marijke Chartouni
Chauntae Davies
Teala Davies
Anouska De Georgiou
Kiki Doe
Annie Farmer
Teresa Helm
Jena-Lisa Jones
Michelle Licata
Lisa Ann Phillips
Gretchen Rhodes
Shawna Rivera
Haley Robson
Liz Stein
Courtney Wild
Srkdqltr
(9,417 posts)Be any need. Men seem to be the problem.
Walleye
(43,889 posts)I think we should look into Melania’s past behavior. Maybe we can have her deported
dem4decades
(13,736 posts)
Ping Tung
(4,151 posts)And, "Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines" Kings
Mr.Bee
(1,665 posts)ZDU
(1,121 posts)He'd be dating his daughter.
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/zXwe6J5T-Gk
live love laugh
(16,210 posts)
Kablooie
(19,054 posts)If he releases the info and it proves he was an integral part of the whole thing, MAGA will be satisfied and come up with all kind of excuses for him and go back to revering their god.
maxsolomon
(38,266 posts)Not Dear Leader.
Trueblue Texan
(4,222 posts)I've read enough sworn testimony under oath to believe that TSF actually did rape girls of 14 years of age. If he did it once where it was sworn testimony, how many other times did he do it? It's no accident that he was Epstein's friend all those years. And I'm completely convinced he knew what was going on...he was a benefactor of those services, allegedly. But what if, true to his greedy nature, he tried to blackmail Epstein? What if he wanted a cut of the profits and Epstein didn't want to play that game--he of all people would know you can't win if you give in to a blackmailer. Epstein believed, according to author, Michael Wolfe, that TSF turned him in to the FBI. In the plea deal where Epstein was convicted, there was an agreement that no other person related to the issue could be prosecuted. That is why Ghislaine Maxwell is appealing her conviction--she would have been covered under that part of the deal. That's probably the excuse TSF will use to pardon her. But what if that agreement was made to protect TSF and perhaps his rich friends, and NOT Maxwell? Could it be that TSF required that guarantee to cover his own ass when he went to the feds about Epstein?
Just thoughts...
maxsolomon
(38,266 posts)From one of the victims?
Trueblue Texan
(4,222 posts)She withdrew the complaint when her family was threatened. I used to have it on my FB account, but I've closed that account. I'll try to find you a link.
Trueblue Texan
(4,222 posts)maxsolomon
(38,266 posts)I'll come back later to read that.
Trueblue Texan
(4,222 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,085 posts)She filed suit in California in April but it was thrown out because she gave a fake address. She file in June in New York under the name Jane Doe and was later confirmed to be Katie Johnson. See this Snopes article from 2016. https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/ .
It is unclear how much credibility this person has (or if she even exists). See this Snopes article from last year: https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/09/03/trump-epstein-katie-johnson/ .
Lubow's involvement does not preclude the reality of the Johnson allegations. "Could her story be true?" Brown wrote. "Yes. As we speak, there are probably some powerful men associated with Epstein who have hired lawyers to pay off women. There are probably NDA's attached."
Trump, for his part, has previously been held liable for sexual assault in civil court, and has been found guilty of charges that involve paying off a woman to silence her about sexual contact with him. Further, the former president has bragged about sexual misconduct on tape.
Such facts provide documentary evidence supporting the notion that Trump has a history of sexual assault, but not against children. The actual documentary evidence in support of the latter claim is inexorably linked to Lubow and is tied to a person — Johnson — who may, in all reality, not exist.
Link to tweet
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Pachamama
(17,540 posts)Will have to find the filed affidavit and come back to put it here
Wiz Imp
(9,085 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 28, 2025, 08:33 PM - Edit history (1)
Only 2 people that I'm aware of have accused Trump of such activity against girls under 18. The first is Sarah Ransome who later admitted she was lying. The second is a girl who filed a lawsuit against Trump under the pseudonym Katie Johnson which she dropped almost immediately. Not saying Trump couldn't be guilty of such, he clearly could, but she never testified in court about it. On the contrary, numerous of Epstein's victims say they never witnessed any wrongdoing by Trump.
However, Trump definitely knew what Epstein was doing and did nothing. That is heinous in and of itself - If Trump had spoken out against Epstein as soon as he knew what Epstein was doing, he may have been able to save hundreds of girls from being victimized by Epstein.
As for Epstein's plea deal, it's a weak argument for Maxwell and anyone else. First of all, the DOJ argued and an appeals court agreed the NPA only applied in Florida. Second, I believe Maxwell's conviction covered crimes committed after the time of the plea agreement. A plea agreement doesn't give you a "get out of jail free" pass for future crimes. Finally, the plea agreement was considered to be illegal, which would mean it is unenforceable. From wikipedia:
This long-running lawsuit is pending in federal court, aimed at vacating the federal plea agreement on the grounds that it violated victims' rights. On April 7, 2015, Judge Kenneth Marra ruled that the allegations made by alleged victim Virginia Roberts against Prince Andrew had no bearing on the lawsuit by alleged victims seeking to reopen Epstein's non-prosecution plea agreement with the federal government; the judge ordered that allegation to be struck from the record. Judge Marra made no ruling as to whether claims by Roberts are true or false. Though he did not allow Jane Does 3 and 4 to join the suit, Marra specifically said that Roberts may later give evidence when the case comes to court.
On February 21, 2019, in the case of Two Jane Does v. United States, Senior Judge of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida Kenneth Marra said federal prosecutors violated the law by failing to notify victims before they allowed him to plead guilty to only the two Florida offenses. The judge left open what the possible remedy could be.
Trueblue Texan
(4,222 posts)One of the girls dropped the case when her family was threatened. You know if members of Congress and their families are threatened, these girls must get even more threats. Ask Stormy Daniel’s about threats from Trump world.
Wiz Imp
(9,085 posts)in California in April 2016. The document under the name Jane Doe is a "Declaration in support of Plaintiff's Request for Protective Order" filed by the same person in June of 2016 in New York. While they are technically sworn statements, they don't have the same impact as testimony under oath in a court of law in an actual court case.
Trueblue Texan
(4,222 posts)But as I said, I have seen enough “sworn testimony,” even if it wasn’t sworn in a court of law, to convince me that Trump was implicated by underaged victims for rape.
Wiz Imp
(9,085 posts)And that person has given many reasons to be very skeptical of her allegations.
Trumps real and verified crime was knowing what Epstein was doing and letting him continue. That is far worse than some story from a single person who may not even exist.
Trueblue Texan
(4,222 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,085 posts)One alleged victim. 1 witness who was not claiming to be a victim of anything. 1 person swearing to hearsay that would not be usable in a court of law. A "sworn statement" by one alleged victim is hardly overwhelming evidence. Especially when there are numerous Epstein victims who have issued sworn statements that never witnessed Trump engaging in any wrongdoing with Epstein.
There were dozens of Epstein victims who issued statements about Epstein's crimes well before this one person accused Trump. If Trump was raping hundreds of young girls like Epstein, why has no one else ever accused him?
Again you're so fixated on something for which there is no real evidence while ignoring Trump's proven crime of effectively allowing Epstein to keep victimizing young girls. That is far worse in my mind. By not turning Epstein in as soon as he knew his heinous activities, Trump effectively helped facilitate possibly hundreds of rapes. He could have stopped hundreds of girls from being victimized but failed to do so. I care about that a lot more than the accusation from 1 single person who may not even be real.
Trueblue Texan
(4,222 posts)I said I'd seen enough to be convinced. You are entitled to your standards, as am I.
Trueblue Texan
(4,222 posts)Texin
(2,834 posts)That's the way the law sees it too. It's tantamount to viewing kiddie porn online, and one sees/reads/hears about people (mostly guys) watching kiddie porn online being arrested, convicted and sentenced to prison on at least a weekly basis all over the country.
The system might view this a bit differently if, say for instance, Epstein had bound and gagged him and tied him to a chair and "forced" him to watch it happen live, in which case (wink, wink), he would have been a perp's "captive". But we know that did not happen.
littlemissmartypants
(31,773 posts)That's supposedly how long the friendship between him, Epstein and Maxwell lasted.
mcar
(45,713 posts)One doesn't "have sex with" girls - one rapes them.
leftstreet
(38,982 posts)Jeez.
A minor can't consent. It's molestation, assault, rape, etc. depending
What part of that don't people get?
Abolishinist
(2,891 posts)I have two people on ignore. One is from several days ago, a long-time member who laces every post with profanities (which I can tolerate, although I prefer they have a unique approach, which they don't - they're quite pedestrian). But they referred to these underage girls as having been fucked, which with my definition extremely diminishes what they were forced to go through.
sop
(17,583 posts)
GoodRaisin
(10,749 posts)moondust
(21,228 posts)the Miss Universe, Miss USA, and Miss Teen USA pageants in 1996 looking for groups of women he and his good buddy Jeffrey could exploit?
Mysterian
(6,191 posts)This is exactly how trump cultists will react if there is proof of trump raping children. Their Dear Leader can do no wrong.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,884 posts)Certainly not this Congress, judiciary or legal system.
It doesn’t matter. Nothing matters.
There’s only one way to deal with fascists.
no_hypocrisy
(54,373 posts)Obviously the young female victims upon whom Trump preyed.
And Ivanka. I'm convinced that Trump used the young female victims as surrogates for his daughter.
All that plastic surgery. It was Trump's idea, not Ivanka. Bigger breasts. Twisted Pygmalion and Galatea.*
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_(mythology)
usonian
(23,690 posts)They are completely silent ( with one exception) and must have been paying millions in blackmail over the many years.
Question: whose only goal in life is to amass as much money as possible, by any means, including high crimes?
Question: with Epstein gone, whose demise might free them from that blackmail.
Odd, slavish, behavior is evident in two branches of congress, the Supreme Court, and in other places.
If not a party to certain acts, are they accessories to crime by knowing of one or more, and not reporting it? Or taking money to remain silent? IANAL, but that is criminal, and worse, were they given the evidence in order to implicate them, and thereby induce their silence?
It takes a really evil mind to trap people like this. Implicate them in a crime, so that speaking out would implicate themselves!!
Evil genius. Instead of paying them, they would have to pay YOU.
NO, I'm not an evil genius. I just grew up in a (redacted) mafia town.
Hope22
(4,486 posts)Men rape, molest and assault minors and pretend it’s ’having sex’! Let’s get this straight ogling,raping, fondling and forcing minors to massage and masterbate them are sickening crimes. Laws broken. Send this sick b****** to jail already!