Trump's story just doesn't add up

[Pototan]

Virginia Guiffre was a 16-year-old towel girl working in the "spa" at Mar-A-Lago. Jeffrey Epstein was a billionaire Invester, as far as Trump was concerned.

Why would Trump be so upset that a teen aged girl employee went to work for him, unless he knew what Epstein was. Virginia was 16 at the time. Why would Trump be so attached to this employee, unless she worked there for a few years, making her very, very young at hiring.

Trump knew what was going on. They both were cads.

[Omnipresent]

1. She was a towel girl at 16?

Why does that job sound like a setup for creepy interactions with old men?

[H2O Man]

6. Her father worked there.

[Pototan]

9. Pretty smart guy

I bet he didn't ever received "Father of the Year".

[H2O Man]

11. Right.

There is no evidence that he had the desire or capacity to be a good father. His daughter was an easy target for Maxwell.

[orleans]

35. i'm trying to google to see where you saw her father worked there

do you remember where you read it?

i did find this (with her father on video, after she died

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/virginia-giuffre-father-death-cause-b2743303.html

[H2O Man]

41. Michael Wolff

said it on a podcast.

[orleans]

56. ahh... thanks for letting me know

[Wiz Imp]

33. She was a spa attendant not a "towel girl".

Spa attendants typically greet clients, answer questions and perform administrative tasks, such as taking phone calls, managing communications and booking appointments for prospective clients. They also ensure the spa is clean and well-organized by preparing spa rooms and tidying them after a session. Additionally, they may assist therapists with their treatments and help clients with their requirements.

[unblock]

2. Donnie trying to pretend he was protecting a child. Horsecrap.

The previously widely published story about them falling out when they competed over a mansion auction is vastly more plausible.

Making Donnie pay millions more for something very understandably would put you on his enemies list.

A 16-year old girl is a throwaway to him. He could surely find a replacement to abuse easily enough.

[tetedur]

17. Epstein wanted to buy the mansion first. He took Trump to see it to ask his opinion

on "moving the swimming pool." Trump decided to undercut Epstein's attempt to acquire the mansion by outbidding him. This pissed off Epstein because he wanted the mansion and Epstein figured Trump didn't have the $40 million needed to buy it.
When Trump ultimately outbid Epstein he never lived in it nor had any intention of doing so. Trump sold the mansion for $95 million in one year.

[unblock]

42. Interesting. If that's the case, more likely is that it was Epstein who cut ties with Donnie, not the other way around.

[tetedur]

43. It probably was mutually agreed that they were no longer friends.

As Epstein said according to Michael Wolff: Trump has "utterly no moral compass."

[unblock]

50. Hell of a statement from the likes of Epstein

[brush]

51. Wonder how long it took TSF's handlers to come up with that story?

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trump keeps steven miller and the boys/girls working hard to make up this crapola.

[unblock]

52. Who needs handlers when you have an army of podcasters and social media propagandists

constantly trying various b.s. arguments and able to provide near instant feedback as to number of likes and such.

[brush]

53. And you think TSF himself takes his cues from them? Why the man doesn't even read the daily presidential brief.

[unblock]

55. I mean the handlers don't need to come up with anything creative

They just tell him to say whatever already gets the most likes in the manoshere.

[Attilatheblond]

3. Trump saying Epstein "stole" employee shows he thinks of employees as his property*

*Probably not all that uncommon with all too many US employers.

Workers have agency; they are not owned by employers. The attitude that people can be owned by others is at the root of much abuse, exploitation, and general social ills. It allows the richest, most entitled, to think of workers as things rather than human beings. It is the mindset that allows all manner of horrors.

[calimary]

39. Whatever Trump "says" CANNOT be considered truthful.

He lies so much I’m surprised his nose isn’t 10 inches.

[BoRaGard]

4. Repubes don't care about pedophiia or its victims

obviously

[Pototan]

5. Independents do

[H2O Man]

7. Right.

And obviously some republicans do, too. The felon isn't worried about losing the support of Democrats. It's republicans and independents he fears will turn against him.

[Wiz Imp]

32. From the latest Gallup poll released a week ago

Republicans: Approve 89%; Disapprove 7%
Democrats: Approve 2%; Disapprove 97%
Independents: Approve 29%; Disapprove 64%

Independents already hate Trump (a -35% net approval).

[Iggo]

15. Not if there's a black woman running.

[maxsolomon]

18. LOL, pull the other one.

"Independents" are Republicans too ashamed to admit it.

[onenote]

28. Odd thing to say since 34% of the electorate identifies as independent

And 49% of the independents voted for Harris v.46% for Trump.

[maxsolomon]

31. It's not odd.

By and large, I think Independents are full of shit.

[onenote]

38. Well, that's certainly a winning message for elections.

Since they make up a larger percentage of the electorate than Democrats.

[maxsolomon]

47. It's not my job to craft a winning message.

I'm a commenter on a political message board.

[onenote]

48. Who apparently is unhappy that repubs won the WH, Senate, and House

But whose commentary proposes nothing to make that less likely in the future and reflects an attitude guaranteed to make it more likely.

Yay for your well thought out opinion.

Just my comment on a political message board.

[maxsolomon]

49. My every post at DU does not need to be "well thought out".

I guess yours are, but I run across several hundred kneejerk reactions every day on this site.

None of which are read by "Independents", so I have little worry I'm alienating them from the Democratic Party further. If I ever meet an "Independent" in real life, I'll be sure to engage them in a strategic, persuasive manner.

[North Coast Lawyer]

26. Yup

Republicans/MAGA only care about sex crimes if a Democrat is involved.

[H2O Man]

8. Recommended.

It was Maxwell that saw her at the felon's place and recruited her.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Only reich wingers believe in the "Deep State". . . . nt

[Escape]

13. So Guiffre was one of the teenage girls...

Trump provided for Epstein. Simple . That's the trail the media should be following.

[Wiz Imp]

27. If they follow that trail they will come up empty because there is nothing to such speculation.

[Escape]

58. Your pro Trump position..

is being investigated . We will see how it plays out.

[Wiz Imp]

59. You think I'm pro Trump?

In the last 24 Hours I've made probably a dozen posts pointing out that Trump was lying his ass off and also explaining how Trump is complicit in hundreds of rapes of teenage girls. You call that pro Trump? Just because I don't believe every ridiculous conspiracy theory people spout about him?

There's more than enough hard evidence of crimes committed by Trump that there is no need to rely on conspiracy theories to try to incriminate him.

[Iggo]

14. Not complicated. Epstein out-groomed Trump, and Trump got pissed.

An “I saw her first” situation.

[Hornedfrog2000]

21. Exactly the

Shit our reps should be saying. Oh i forgot, they went home to fundraise, again, guess pedophiles can wait.

[Dan]

16. At the beginning of this tale, one should be asking

Why would anyone hire such a young girl without some type of adult supervision to ensure her safety/well-being. Hell, why would any parent allow their teenage daughter around Donald Trump?

[Wiz Imp]

25. It was a summer job which she got because her father was a maintenance manager at Mar-a-Lago.

There is no evidence she ever had any contact with Trump at Mar-a-Lago. In fact there is no evidence Trump ever even knew who she was.

[hamsterjill]

34. Wait a minute here...

If Trump knew she was "recruited away", then he obviously knew who she was. What am I missing with your post?

[Wiz Imp]

37. Where is there evidence that he knew she was recruited away?

Because a reporter asked a question and specifically mentioned her name he responded thusly:

“Uh, I don’t know,” Trump initially responded, before quickly adding, “I think she worked at the spa. I think so. I think that was one of the people. He stole her. And by the way, she had no complaints about us, as you know, none whatsoever.”

His immediate response was "Uh, I don't know"? That does not sound like he knew who she was to me. The last sentence is the "tell". "She had no complaints abut us" - she has been mentioned all over the media lately as a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago who Epstein hired away, and in her public statements about Epstein and others, she has said she observed no wrongdoing from Trump. Trump clearly read that and realized he could use it to deflect accusations against him. She obviously had one complaint or "issue" with Mar-a-Lago - they weren't paying here nearly as much as Maxwell offered to work for Epstein.

[hamsterjill]

44. "He stole her"

That part does it for me.

Sorry, but if you're here to defend Trump in any way, shape, form or fashion, you've picked the wrong poster. I think he is guilty as sin. He says these things almost as a dare for someone to pin him on it. That's his MO. He's done it countless times.

Have a great afternoon.

[Wiz Imp]

45. Wow. Trump never mentions Epstein hiring employees away until 25 years after it happened.

And he can't name an employee that was "stolen" and answers "I don't know" even when a reporter gives him a name, and that somehow means Trump knew.....something? I have no idea how my pointing out that Trump is lying his ass off can be construed as defending Trump in any way.

[Hornedfrog2000]

19. Trump and epstein are the same

People act like they are separate, they both worked in the compromant, drugs, and sex party industry. Trump just pretended to be a billionaire businessman while he did it.

[Emile]

20. Of course he knew what was going on.

[usedtobedemgurl]

22. Rump does not give a shit about anyone but himself.

Why on earth would he even know about some 16 year old worker? I guess it is possible it was rubbed in his face. I just find it curious.

[WestMichRad]

23. (*)'s story doesn't add up

Save and recycle that headline. It’s a statement that has been true with many things he has said, and will doubtless be true many more times (if we are so unfortunate as to not see him featured in the obituaries soon).

[Wiz Imp]

24. Trump didn't give a damn about Epstein hiring Virginia Giuffre or any other staff.

He probably had and still has no idea who Virginia Giuffre was. He only recognizes her name because she has been mentioned in the media recently and was reported as never having accused Trump of any wrongdoing. He never mentioned anything about this before yesterday. If he cared anything about it, he wouldn't have waited 25 years to mention it.

[camartinwv]

29. Surely we all realize that 16 year old girls hold part time jobs all the time. I did.

Virginia was unfortunate to find herself in a job that exposed her 2 of the biggest pedophiles of the time and she was used by them horribly. Thankfully, that did not happen to me.

[Eliot Rosewater]

30. BBC interview Epstein's brother, "I don't know why they call it a suicide, it wasn't."

[70sEraVet]

36. I don't believe the "he was stealing my employees" story for the break-up.

But the trouble for Trump is, every time he opens his mouth to try to quell the relentless Epstein questions, he implicates himself deeper and deeper!
For instance, if Trump KNEW that Epstein was stealing employees from Mar-a-lago (underage female employees), what did Trump think Epstein wanted them for?
His explanations only generate more questions, and the questions only get more and more dangerous for him.

[Wiz Imp]

46. If he really cared about Epstein hiring his employees, then he wouldn't have waited 25 years before ever mentioning it.

This is one of his most obvious lies ever.

[milestogo]

40. He is confused.

He doesn't remember what happened where or what lies he has told.

[creeksneakers2]

54. I've always expected

That if I left a job because I found something better the employer I left would be happy for me.

[KentuckyWoman]

57. 2 Options

Epstein stole Don's teenager and Don had a snit.

Don the "innocent" found out Epstein was raping children and didn't call the cops.

Either way, Don is a putrid pile of gross.