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still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:46 AM Sep 2025

Welp, Kash Patel found a "destroyed note" that explained that the shooter did this because of leftist ideology.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/inside-tyler-robinson-s-destroyed-note-left-before-charlie-kirk-s-shooting-i-m-going-to/ar-AA1MA7W1

"According to Patel, the note read, “I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it." On Monday morning, the FBI director told Fox News that the note was “written before the shooting,” and was at the suspect's home.”

Regarding Robinson's note, Patel added, “We have since learned the note - even though it was destroyed - we have found forensic evidence of the note and we have confirmed what the note said because our aggressive interview posture at the FBI," as reported by Daily Mail."


Apparently, the suspect wrote it and then destroyed it, but then the FBI was able to un-destroy it through aggressive interviewing techniques. As you might suspect, it confirmed that this was the fault of the entire left because they criticize Trump. The FBI is still confirming what other things the destroyed note said and will continue to release the terrible things it learns about how "the left" caused this as they continue to un-destroy the note in the coming weeks.

ON EDIT: I think this is apparent to most, but the title and last paragraph are sarcastic commentary. The two paragraphs that are quoted are real, direct quotes from Kash Patel said in an interview with Fox "News" relating to the 'destroyed' note.
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Welp, Kash Patel found a "destroyed note" that explained that the shooter did this because of leftist ideology. (Original Post) still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 OP
The note disappeared just like the trumpstein files Clouds Passing Sep 2025 #1
Oh, yes! I forgot that part. The suspect also destroyed all of the Epstein files. The FBI was unable to un-destroy those still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #3
The Epstein files were NOT destroyed and have NOT gone away as an issue. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #7
The trumpstein files have been replaced by kirk in the MSM, that is the intent of my statement. Clouds Passing Sep 2025 #20
If you don't want to be misunderstood, then write clearly & don't get upset if you are misunderstood Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #23
I was speaking jokingly Clouds Passing Sep 2025 #26
That was clear with your initial post Dave says Sep 2025 #55
Welp, there are the ones who can laugh... ananda Sep 2025 #56
I thought they were being quite clear.... Quanto Magnus Sep 2025 #93
Seems like they largely have gone away quakerboy Sep 2025 #81
Sounds serious Torchlight Sep 2025 #96
Most of us think the USofA is in serious trouble. Good luck to you. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #101
Defense attorneys everywhere are salivating about *that* cross-examination Prairie Gates Sep 2025 #2
More like prosecutors are lining up to utilize this new standard of Federally acceptable evidence... ECL213 Sep 2025 #97
it was written in Sanskrit onethatcares Sep 2025 #4
Did it mention Valhalla? LeftInTX Sep 2025 #52
Voila! Another mystery solved! yardwork Sep 2025 #99
They are desperately trying to paint him as "leftist" Walleye Sep 2025 #5
He had a scholarship but could only cope with a single university term. Hardly "radicalized" by university Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #10
They want us to believe that this guy who was raised in a Republican family Walleye Sep 2025 #12
Spot on re vagueness (lack of facts) & they don't do nuance, lie, have Dunnings-Kruger & have confirmation bias. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #21
Dunning-Kruger dpibel Sep 2025 #36
Thanks. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #38
Thank JoseBalow Sep 2025 #125
thx Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #126
I personally think he had a gaming addiction. Happened to my son with a scholarship. First semester. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #44
I wish my daughter had taken away Tree Lady Sep 2025 #89
Kids like that in my family too. yardwork Sep 2025 #106
It's sad. We couldn't get much help for our son. This was at the end of 2011. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #132
The problem is, markodochartaigh Sep 2025 #13
Which is why I believe right and left are artificial designations that don't apply Walleye Sep 2025 #18
Certainly today in the US markodochartaigh Sep 2025 #24
Politics is at least two-dimensional, not linear, and probably has more identifiable dimensions Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #28
The Senator from Utah (GOP) said, let's just call them "radicals", Not right or left radicals. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #50
The problem is that he may see only MAGA as not radical karynnj Sep 2025 #63
The guy is still alive. He will eventually tell us what he was thinking I believe. Walleye Sep 2025 #71
I'm sure his lawyer is telling him to keep quiet. A plea deal is possible, but not probable. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #115
Yes, I would think he would try to avoid the death penalty. He's only 22. Walleye Sep 2025 #117
Plea deals are up to the prosecution, not the defendant. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #118
Unless there's something like a quid pro quo to avoid the death penalty by playing along with the narrative. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #134
also, they are simple-minded folks, so anyone against them are automatically leftists LymphocyteLover Sep 2025 #111
It's true I think you put your finger right on it there Walleye Sep 2025 #136
He killed a right wing person. returnee Sep 2025 #140
"Our aggressive interview posture at the FBI"? What does that mean? Ocelot II Sep 2025 #6
Waterboarding, I thought the same thing Walleye Sep 2025 #15
That stood out to me too TommyT139 Sep 2025 #66
'weaselly little Patel who always looks like he's being goosed' DET Sep 2025 #122
"aggressive interview posture" JoseBalow Sep 2025 #127
Apparently It Means RobinA Sep 2025 #129
They can undestroy a note Norbert Sep 2025 #8
They learn that in the Spells and Potions class at Quantico. Slitherin is the best at it. Scrivener7 Sep 2025 #14
Keep in mind the source, especially when they're known for promoting propaganda. sl8 Sep 2025 #9
Yes, good point. But in this case, it is true -- Kash Patel did literally say the things quoted. still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #19
Hindustan times left center biased? Is that a joke? Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #92
I was wondering about that, too. sl8 Sep 2025 #110
Moved post. nt sl8 Sep 2025 #100
Patel hired a travelling preacher who raised it from the dead.. Ping Tung Sep 2025 #11
Patel: "We have confirmed what the note said because our aggressive interview posture at the FBI." sop Sep 2025 #16
"Oh, and Trump definitely does not have a small penis." flvegan Sep 2025 #17
Many people are saying the destroyed notes specifically mentioned Trump's penis dalton99a Sep 2025 #22
Umm: 17 responses to date and not one is questioning wtf the 'leftist' ideology in that note hlthe2b Sep 2025 #25
I guess that's because nobody believes it? Ocelot II Sep 2025 #34
Ah, the fine art of un-destroying destroyed notes. still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #42
They must have hired Will Ferrell's daughter for the interrogation Ray Bruns Sep 2025 #76
Thank you!! Haven't laughed that much in a looooonnnngggg time. cornball 24 Sep 2025 #120
Reading through thinking the same thought karynnj Sep 2025 #64
I believe their evidence of being " leftist" is he didn't like Kirk. Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #95
Seems like that's a question for Patel and the governor. yardwork Sep 2025 #102
Yes. but, we are here discussing Patel's assertion, yet no comment/question/discussion of that? hlthe2b Sep 2025 #104
Speaking for myself, I honestly have no idea of the shooter's ideology. yardwork Sep 2025 #108
I read a few articles about it, but the articles didn't mention anything other than he was planning to kill Kirk LeftInTX Sep 2025 #116
Kash Patel can't find his own butt with both hands & GPS. Dulcinea Sep 2025 #27
Look, they found a destroyed note that they un-destroyed (but you can't see the un-destroyed note without special FBI still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #30
He probably wrote it. OLDMDDEM Sep 2025 #29
Thank God for Carnac! sheshe2 Sep 2025 #31
The note was in a mayonnaise jar left on Funk & Wagnalls' porch since noon today-n/t lapfog_1 Sep 2025 #61
Oh my word, I was just thinking that very line yesterday. Absolutely niyad Sep 2025 #70
Wow! peggysue2 Sep 2025 #32
The destroyed note is on its way to becoming a manifesto fargone Sep 2025 #33
Liar Eliot Rosewater Sep 2025 #35
Aggressive interviewing techniques? As in torture? miyazaki Sep 2025 #37
See #34. Ocelot II Sep 2025 #41
Ah so. Well back in medieval times they called it miyazaki Sep 2025 #46
The shooter is still alive and can explain himself Qutzupalotl Sep 2025 #39
Like Maxwell, the suspects life (and everything else) is in their hands, so I am not sure how motivated he will be to still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #43
I think they will seek the death penalty no matter what. Qutzupalotl Sep 2025 #45
I see your point and hope you're right, but they have the power to make his life hell in the meantime still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #49
Nah. They'll claim he was a victim of "left wing" indoctrination and that he should receive leniency. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #135
He will be tried in state court. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #57
Utah being the state, right? Do you think Utah state officials would not be agreeable to a certain narrative? still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #58
I don't think they will get into motive. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #60
Um, OK ... interesting theory. I guess we'll see. still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #65
He misspoke.. Moostache Sep 2025 #40
They'll eventually tell us he said everything which best validates their narrative Torchlight Sep 2025 #47
did he pull the note out of a pumpkin? DBoon Sep 2025 #48
I don't trust Patel. Hindustan Times regurgitates RW rags. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #51
It sounds like a whole lot of bullshit. spanone Sep 2025 #53
Where are the Epstein Files? Attilatheblond Sep 2025 #54
Show us the note Kash. Botany Sep 2025 #59
Punk was reared in a Christo-Magat household. MAGA-ism put that round through Kirk's neck. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Sep 2025 #62
Mixing religion and politics. Oy... calimary Sep 2025 #73
Sigh - they know it's true, because it was written in Sharpie! maxrandb Sep 2025 #67
Did the dog eat the note? Solly Mack Sep 2025 #68
Kash used his secret decoder ring. The note said, "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine". 2MuchNoise Sep 2025 #69
Why don't you seperate your sacasm from the 2 paragraphs that you Autumn Sep 2025 #72
I'm sorry you felt confused. I think the ON EDIT note explains it quite well (for the few who had any doubt). still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #79
Blatant bullshit JoseBalow Sep 2025 #74
In a real world Patel would have been fired by now rurallib Sep 2025 #75
In a sane world, he never would have been confirmed Wiz Imp Sep 2025 #105
Total nonsense, they can't come up with anything remotely plausible. Dave Bowman Sep 2025 #77
The linked article doesn't say anything about "leftist ideology" IronLionZion Sep 2025 #78
Oh wow, I just replied to someone that the ON EDIT note along with the "Welp" made it clear that the headline was still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #80
Better separation of the article text and your text is needed IronLionZion Sep 2025 #83
So, I thought in the General Discussion forum we discussed topics and ideas more generally and in LBN we stuck to still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #86
I caught what you meant in the title. I am sick of . . . John1956PA Sep 2025 #87
Oh shew, thanks! Yes, the whole cabinet of influencers and hanger-ons ready for marching orders. still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #90
Where's the evidence of leftist ideology? EnergizedLib Sep 2025 #82
That was my question. dflprincess Sep 2025 #85
Late this morning, FBI Co-Deputy Director Bongino mentioned the word "obsession." John1956PA Sep 2025 #84
In the contest for least credibility ever Janbdwl72 Sep 2025 #88
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Sep 2025 #91
BS, he came from a right-wing republican family, Emile Sep 2025 #94
Yep. All their "found" are fabricated. All their fabricated are found. ancianita Sep 2025 #98
they tortured the note barbtries Sep 2025 #103
In the immortal words of the members of Delta Tau Chi CentralMass Sep 2025 #107
"I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it." Mblaze Sep 2025 #109
How Does "Aggressive Interview Posture" Differ From Torture DallasNE Sep 2025 #112
the OLD DESTROYED NOTE trick! LymphocyteLover Sep 2025 #113
It was more personal than political AncientOfDays Sep 2025 #114
Well, to me, Patel just proved how FN DUMB he knows his base is. bluestarone Sep 2025 #119
Wow they're desperate to drag a trans person into their narrative. Ritabert Sep 2025 #121
The Hindustan Times is a terrible source Celerity Sep 2025 #123
Other sources are saying a note is involved, but it's as vague as Hindustan Times. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #131
As for me . . . RedArkGuy Sep 2025 #124
So he's funny-looking, AND he's stupid? Iggo Sep 2025 #128
Has anyone told the promoted podcaster Ruby the Liberal Sep 2025 #130
20 years ago this could have made a really good near future, dystopic, comedy movie. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #133
What the hell is in that drinking water? tavernier Sep 2025 #137
Kash Patel had swallowed the note, but analysts oasis Sep 2025 #138
How Convenient spanone Sep 2025 #139
I am guessing, but I think the roommate destroyed the note which TR instructed him to find under the keyboard. John1956PA Sep 2025 #141
Shenanigans!! DiverDave Sep 2025 #142
He totally planted it. Initech Sep 2025 #143

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
3. Oh, yes! I forgot that part. The suspect also destroyed all of the Epstein files. The FBI was unable to un-destroy those
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:49 AM
Sep 2025

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
7. The Epstein files were NOT destroyed and have NOT gone away as an issue.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:50 AM
Sep 2025

Eschew binary thinking. It is incredibly limiting and misdirecting. Binary thinking plays the maga game for them.

Clouds Passing

(7,113 posts)
20. The trumpstein files have been replaced by kirk in the MSM, that is the intent of my statement.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:58 AM
Sep 2025

I did not literally mean that the files literally disappeared. Don’t accuse me of things which are not true

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
23. If you don't want to be misunderstood, then write clearly & don't get upset if you are misunderstood
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:05 AM
Sep 2025

Thank you for clarifying. We all get misunderstood from time to time, so clarify.

The only thing I accused you of (perhaps) was binary thinking (all or nothing thinking) as revealed by what you wrote. That was all we have to go on. I'll accept that was not the case in this instance, so, fine, you were not binary thinking in this instance.

Dave says

(5,334 posts)
55. That was clear with your initial post
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:05 AM
Sep 2025

It was clear you were joking. Maybe always add a sarcasm emoji to ward of misreading?

ananda

(34,493 posts)
56. Welp, there are the ones who can laugh...
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:06 AM
Sep 2025

and the ones who can't.

In this world now, I really sympathize with the ones
who can't.

However, my funny bone aint goin' nowhere.

quakerboy

(14,732 posts)
81. Seems like they largely have gone away
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:55 AM
Sep 2025

Even here on DU, i dont see them on any of the top headlines, and havnt for days.

Prairie Gates

(7,280 posts)
2. Defense attorneys everywhere are salivating about *that* cross-examination
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:49 AM
Sep 2025


The destroyed note.

It's kind of like the purloined letter, but infinitely stupider.

ECL213

(432 posts)
97. More like prosecutors are lining up to utilize this new standard of Federally acceptable evidence...
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:30 PM
Sep 2025

we are in the Upside-Down, my friend.

Walleye

(43,889 posts)
5. They are desperately trying to paint him as "leftist"
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:50 AM
Sep 2025

I guess just to vindicate those who went off on us after the killing. The young man was born and raised in Utah went to Utah State University. He is not ever been a “leftist“. I think there are only two sides now not right and left, but maga and anti-Maga

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
10. He had a scholarship but could only cope with a single university term. Hardly "radicalized" by university
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:52 AM
Sep 2025

Their false narrative is constructed in the hopes of advancing a bogus authoritarian crackdown for which there are already tentative steps.

Walleye

(43,889 posts)
12. They want us to believe that this guy who was raised in a Republican family
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:54 AM
Sep 2025

Was so radicalized in a couple of years that he was willing to commit murder for “the left”, I’m not even sure who they’re talking about. Let’s see a manifesto or something. Fucking people are so vague all the time, that’s how they get people to believe them.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
21. Spot on re vagueness (lack of facts) & they don't do nuance, lie, have Dunnings-Kruger & have confirmation bias. nt
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:58 AM
Sep 2025

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
44. I personally think he had a gaming addiction. Happened to my son with a scholarship. First semester.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:24 AM
Sep 2025

Minecraft and numerous others obtained via torrents was his addiction. National Hispanic Scholar.
Fortunately, he was attending school in town. We moved him out of the dorm and took control of his computer.

He got his scholarship back after begging and graduated. But it's a real thing and I don't know what would have happened if he dropped out. Bright guy, who has been an engineer for 10 years. He even started his own company.

I could see something like that causing downward spiral.

I wouldn't be surprised if he started going downhill then and spent even more time gaming. Of course gaming addictions don't lead to violence, but they can mess up your life.

Tree Lady

(13,030 posts)
89. I wish my daughter had taken away
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:20 PM
Sep 2025

Computer from my grandson. He got hooked early to gaming and it's kept him from college, from wanting to get ahead. He lived for free with my ex for years before his girlfriend got pregnant 3 yrs ago and moved his daughter across the states. Still took him years until ths last May to wake up and move back where she was, get a job in warehouse and now is visiting his daughter.

He is one of the many youth in late 20's wanting money without doing the work to get it, belongs to some group on X but won't talk about it. He didn't vote but if he did wouldn't be for our side.

yardwork

(68,987 posts)
106. Kids like that in my family too.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:38 PM
Sep 2025

They spout all kinds of nonsense they've read on the internet. They spend way too much time in an echo chamber, exposed to trolls and who knows who else. They don't read the news or history.

It's a real concern.

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
132. It's sad. We couldn't get much help for our son. This was at the end of 2011.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:11 AM
Sep 2025

So, we put a bunch of parental control software on his computer etc etc etc. I had a program called Net Nanny where I could spy on him. I'm sure he circumvented it by installing Linux dual boot. But we watched that computer. And his grades went up the next semester. We also grounded him from going to Lubbock to see his GF (500 miles away)

I was a pretty much a pit bull mama!

It's not much recognized as a real addiction, yet it has hurt many lives.

markodochartaigh

(5,073 posts)
13. The problem is,
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:54 AM
Sep 2025

when you are as far to the right as the maga base of the Republican party, almost every ideology in human history is to the left of you.

Walleye

(43,889 posts)
18. Which is why I believe right and left are artificial designations that don't apply
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:57 AM
Sep 2025

There’s Trumpers and there’s non-Trumpers that’s it

markodochartaigh

(5,073 posts)
24. Certainly today in the US
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:05 AM
Sep 2025

there are only two factions, those who want to keep democracy in the US and those who are willing to end democracy in order to keep control.

In 2015 the Republican party put party before country and chose an authoritarian Strong Leader who was not committed to democracy as their candidate. Since that point democracy has been on life support in the US.

I think that it is inevitable that an ignorant and apathetic electorate will produce a situation in which the only issue which matters will end up being democracy itself. And we are there.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
28. Politics is at least two-dimensional, not linear, and probably has more identifiable dimensions
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:11 AM
Sep 2025

X-axis: liberal / conservative on human rights and social rights and crime etc.

Y-axis: fiscally liberal / conservative.

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
50. The Senator from Utah (GOP) said, let's just call them "radicals", Not right or left radicals.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:56 AM
Sep 2025

He wanted to drop the left/right label. It sorta makes sense to me.

I remember the Nazi inspired killer in WI.

People who go down extremist route and resort to killing people are not the norm. Most of them are non-voters and don't have a true political affiliation. They don't believe in civic engagement, but OTOH, they may have a history of complaining. There are so many sicko conspiracy theories available at one's fingertips these days.

You can still dissect, what motivated them later. But there is usually mental illness involved. The school shooter in MN hated everyone.

karynnj

(60,811 posts)
63. The problem is that he may see only MAGA as not radical
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:13 AM
Sep 2025

Meaning the far right crazies, the smaller grouper of far left crazies, and every one else ranging from supporters of Bernie Sanders/AOC/Mamdani to Reagan/both Bush are ALL labelled radicals. Even though this includes everyone with any legitimate claim to being a being mainstream

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
115. I'm sure his lawyer is telling him to keep quiet. A plea deal is possible, but not probable.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:04 PM
Sep 2025

The FBI may have flubbed evidence. The governor and Patel may have incited prejudice. Lack of evidence is the most likely reason a plea deal is offered. I think despite this, they likely have the evidence and won't offer a plea deal, but you never know.

All this motivation stuff from the Republicans is RW spin to get people worked up and support Trump's agenda.

Walleye

(43,889 posts)
117. Yes, I would think he would try to avoid the death penalty. He's only 22.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:06 PM
Sep 2025

But maybe he won’t have enough sense to do that. He is obviously not playing with a full deck.

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
118. Plea deals are up to the prosecution, not the defendant.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:13 PM
Sep 2025

If the prosecution feels they may not got a verdict, then they will likely offer a deal.

Plea deals are also very common in low level cases because they save headaches for everyone.

I've seen numerous high profile murder cases where a plea deal was not offered, such as Darlie Routier's case. The evidence was flimsy, but they got her on death row and that was their goal.

Crunchy Frog

(28,214 posts)
134. Unless there's something like a quid pro quo to avoid the death penalty by playing along with the narrative.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:34 AM
Sep 2025

Ocelot II

(129,291 posts)
6. "Our aggressive interview posture at the FBI"? What does that mean?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:50 AM
Sep 2025

Did they waterboard somebody who they thought might know what the note said? Or is weaselly little Patel who always looks like he's being goosed just talking the manly MAGA man talk for the benefit of Dear Leader?

TommyT139

(2,155 posts)
66. That stood out to me too
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:18 AM
Sep 2025

Although there's a lot of terrain between legitimate interviewing and interrogation and torture.

The psychology of what can make people confess can be missed...and the psychology behind what makes people falsely confess, or "embellish" an account -- that science can be easily ignored.

DET

(2,377 posts)
122. 'weaselly little Patel who always looks like he's being goosed'
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:44 PM
Sep 2025

I have to borrow that.

RobinA

(10,474 posts)
129. Apparently It Means
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 04:12 PM
Sep 2025

somebody called the FBI before they were even out of bed and told them they had a confession.

Scrivener7

(58,459 posts)
14. They learn that in the Spells and Potions class at Quantico. Slitherin is the best at it.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:55 AM
Sep 2025

sl8

(17,016 posts)
9. Keep in mind the source, especially when they're known for promoting propaganda.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:52 AM
Sep 2025
Hindustan Times is a pretty crappy source, in general. This particular piece uses Fox News and The Daily Mirror for its sources.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/hindustan-times/

Overall, we rate the Hindustan Times Left-Center Biased and questionable due to poor sourcing, numerous failed fact checks, and the promotion of propaganda. (M. Huitsing 9/5/2017) Updated (12/23/2024)


Emphasis mine.

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
19. Yes, good point. But in this case, it is true -- Kash Patel did literally say the things quoted.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:57 AM
Sep 2025

Wiz Imp

(9,073 posts)
92. Hindustan times left center biased? Is that a joke?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:23 PM
Sep 2025

All the articles I've ever seen there were clearly biased to the right. That's why that media bias fact check site is totally unreliable. They themselves are clearly biased to the right. The promotion of propaganda claim, however, is true of Hindustan times.

sl8

(17,016 posts)
110. I was wondering about that, too.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:48 PM
Sep 2025

Based on the little I read of their reasoning, it seems to be because of their reporting on Indian politics.

sop

(17,582 posts)
16. Patel: "We have confirmed what the note said because our aggressive interview posture at the FBI."
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:55 AM
Sep 2025

It sounds like they waterboarded the note. Patel didn't have to torture it, the FBI used "enhanced interrogation techniques" to acquire information from the note.

flvegan

(65,826 posts)
17. "Oh, and Trump definitely does not have a small penis."
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:57 AM
Sep 2025

- Soon to also be stated in the "un-destroyed" note, probably.

hlthe2b

(112,922 posts)
25. Umm: 17 responses to date and not one is questioning wtf the 'leftist' ideology in that note
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:06 AM
Sep 2025

(or evidence therein) consisted of... Pardon the dangling preposition, but I saw nothing that justified that headline...

Ocelot II

(129,291 posts)
34. I guess that's because nobody believes it?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:18 AM
Sep 2025

But it does suggest that goons from Patel's "reformed" FBI might have "aggressively interrogated" someone who saw the note until he invented something that sounded vaguely leftist.

"What did the note say, punk?"

"I don't know, I didn't see it!"

*WHACK*

"What did it say???"

"I don't know! Please don't hit me!"

*WHACK*

"Did it say anything about Antifa?"

"I don't know! I don't even know what that is?"

*WHACK*

"I'm asking you again, punk. Did the note mention Antifa? Or Black Lives Matter?"

*WHACK*

"I don't know... It might have..."

*WHACK*

"OK, yeah, it did. He loved Anfifa, Antipasto, whatever. Went to all their meetings. That's what the note said. How great it was. And Black Flies Matter. Them, too. Just don't hit me again."

karynnj

(60,811 posts)
64. Reading through thinking the same thought
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:15 AM
Sep 2025

His note would be consistent with being on the far right.

Wiz Imp

(9,073 posts)
95. I believe their evidence of being " leftist" is he didn't like Kirk.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:28 PM
Sep 2025

They're pretending that only "leftists" could hate Kirk, ignoring the existence of Nick Fuentes and Laura Loomer among many others on the right who despised him.

yardwork

(68,987 posts)
102. Seems like that's a question for Patel and the governor.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:34 PM
Sep 2025

I think they were told by Trump to frame it as "leftist ideology."

So far I e seen zero evidence but I think the OP was just quoting Patel.

hlthe2b

(112,922 posts)
104. Yes. but, we are here discussing Patel's assertion, yet no comment/question/discussion of that?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:37 PM
Sep 2025

Other posters have suggested that the assumption is that MAGA is implying the ONLY ones who could possibly "not like" Kirk would be Leftists. They are probably deluded enough to believe that--after all, they think Trump is the returned "Messiah..."

yardwork

(68,987 posts)
108. Speaking for myself, I honestly have no idea of the shooter's ideology.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:43 PM
Sep 2025

As I've posted before I imagine it's a mishmash of half-baked ideas and nonsense gleaned from hopping around the internet, interacting in echo chambers and never fact-checking anything.

I disagree with TrumpCo's framing of "leftist ideology." It's just nonsense they use to scare people. By compressing all beliefs to the right of Trump into one "leftist ideology" they can call Kamala Harris a communist because hey, it's all leftist, isn't it?

It's so stupid it makes my head hurt.

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
116. I read a few articles about it, but the articles didn't mention anything other than he was planning to kill Kirk
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:06 PM
Sep 2025

No other info other than quotes from Patel. So, it's probably BS RW spin.

Dulcinea

(9,708 posts)
27. Kash Patel can't find his own butt with both hands & GPS.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:09 AM
Sep 2025

And we're supposed to believe this crap? Give me a break.

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
30. Look, they found a destroyed note that they un-destroyed (but you can't see the un-destroyed note without special FBI
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:13 AM
Sep 2025

glasses, so it will not be released) and it confirmed that the left is bad and Trump is good.

What is so unbelievable about that?

niyad

(129,796 posts)
70. Oh my word, I was just thinking that very line yesterday. Absolutely
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:27 AM
Sep 2025

no idea why it popped up.

peggysue2

(12,407 posts)
32. Wow!
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:15 AM
Sep 2025

They 'undestoyed' the killer's note. What a giant leap forward for police investigations. Is this a riff on the movie Minority Report? Is there a tank in the FBI with PreCogs reading notes before they're obliterated?

Tom Cruise would be proud.

For the rest of us? Total BS.

miyazaki

(2,598 posts)
46. Ah so. Well back in medieval times they called it
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:36 AM
Sep 2025

being 'put to the question'.

Back to the good old days.

Qutzupalotl

(15,677 posts)
39. The shooter is still alive and can explain himself
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:21 AM
Sep 2025

if he survives until court. So don't worry about Kash Patel and the Magic Undestroyed Note that Says what the FBI Wants to Hear. We'll know soon enough.

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
43. Like Maxwell, the suspects life (and everything else) is in their hands, so I am not sure how motivated he will be to
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:23 AM
Sep 2025

go against their narrative.

Qutzupalotl

(15,677 posts)
45. I think they will seek the death penalty no matter what.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:34 AM
Sep 2025

To your point, maybe they could offer him life in prison as a bribe to say what they want him to. But that seems politically untenable; if he claims to be a lefty, Kirk's base will call for his head. They already are, with little evidence.

So he's a dead man either way, and even life in prison is no picnic. I think he will say his piece when he can, with his actual motivations, and in court for maximum effect — rather than cave to pressure in interviews. But we will see.

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
49. I see your point and hope you're right, but they have the power to make his life hell in the meantime
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:48 AM
Sep 2025

of whatever comes next.

Crunchy Frog

(28,214 posts)
135. Nah. They'll claim he was a victim of "left wing" indoctrination and that he should receive leniency.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:27 AM
Sep 2025

If they paint him as a nice boy who was a victim of evil doers, they could get away with a lighter sentence.

Just speculating. We'll see how it shakes down.

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
58. Utah being the state, right? Do you think Utah state officials would not be agreeable to a certain narrative?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:08 AM
Sep 2025

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
60. I don't think they will get into motive.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:08 AM
Sep 2025

Their goal is to find him guilty of murder.
Defense lawyers will try to squash evidence such as motive.
They have a strong case against him.

Guilty.

Moostache

(11,011 posts)
40. He misspoke..
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:21 AM
Sep 2025

He meant to say - the note was IN the Epstein files, but because Joe Biden did not release the files, it is unable to be shown but trust him, it was really, really leftist and very, very bad, and Jesus.

Torchlight

(6,357 posts)
47. They'll eventually tell us he said everything which best validates their narrative
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:36 AM
Sep 2025

Regardless of accuracy, honesty or integrity.

spanone

(141,070 posts)
53. It sounds like a whole lot of bullshit.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:03 AM
Sep 2025

Patel should keep his mouth shut. This suspect hasn't even been charged yet....this is totally fucked up.

Attilatheblond

(8,359 posts)
54. Where are the Epstein Files?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:03 AM
Sep 2025

Kash seems to be pulling things outta the air, or his ass, in an attempt to look competent and appease the powerful chaps who rely on fueling the hate to make bank and hold power.

Botany

(76,463 posts)
59. Show us the note Kash.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:08 AM
Sep 2025

So the note was destroyed but now the FBI has been able to fix it so it can be seen again now?
Just like Obama, the Clintons, and Joe Biden owned time machines so they were able to place
a letter into Epstein’s birthday book 22 years ago and to make Trump look bad.


RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(1,898 posts)
62. Punk was reared in a Christo-Magat household. MAGA-ism put that round through Kirk's neck.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:13 AM
Sep 2025

One more day at the range, and Kirk's noggin' would have been obliterated (using one of Trumps favorite words).

Autumn

(48,769 posts)
72. Why don't you seperate your sacasm from the 2 paragraphs that you
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:28 AM
Sep 2025

posted. there's enough garbage out there without adding to it

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
79. I'm sorry you felt confused. I think the ON EDIT note explains it quite well (for the few who had any doubt).
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:53 AM
Sep 2025

IronLionZion

(50,848 posts)
78. The linked article doesn't say anything about "leftist ideology"
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:52 AM
Sep 2025

Did OP add that part?

The article's headline is:

Inside Tyler Robinson’s 'destroyed' note left before Charlie Kirk's shooting: 'I'm going to...'

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
80. Oh wow, I just replied to someone that the ON EDIT note along with the "Welp" made it clear that the headline was
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:54 AM
Sep 2025

commentary on Patel's direct quotes. I guess I was wrong.

IronLionZion

(50,848 posts)
83. Better separation of the article text and your text is needed
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:58 AM
Sep 2025

For example

Use the Excerpt Box for article text


Then put your text below that. Same with the title. Why add your own text to the title?

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
86. So, I thought in the General Discussion forum we discussed topics and ideas more generally and in LBN we stuck to
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:06 PM
Sep 2025

the exact headline.

My title is meant to tie together the Utah governor saying on Saturday that the suspect had a leftist ideology, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/us/kirk-shooting-suspect-ideology-partner.html "Kirk Shooting Suspect Held ‘Leftist Ideology,’ Utah Governor Says"

AND now, Kash Patel saying they have found a destroyed note that they ".... have confirmed what that note says, because of our aggressive interview posture at the FBI."

So, what do you think the FBI has confirmed that the destroyed note says?

Luckily, most people on the thread seem to understand the point of the post clearly, but I do apologize for any confusion on how I posted.

John1956PA

(4,860 posts)
87. I caught what you meant in the title. I am sick of . . .
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:11 PM
Sep 2025

. . . Patel and Cox following Trump's marching orders, but we all know that they would. The "Welp" is appropriate.

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
90. Oh shew, thanks! Yes, the whole cabinet of influencers and hanger-ons ready for marching orders.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:21 PM
Sep 2025

EnergizedLib

(2,933 posts)
82. Where's the evidence of leftist ideology?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:57 AM
Sep 2025

If that was all that was written on the note, that tells us absolutely nothing about the suspect’s political leanings or motive.

dflprincess

(29,186 posts)
85. That was my question.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:02 PM
Sep 2025

Maybe they assume he's a "leftist" because he can write a coherent sentence using upper & lower cases correctly?

John1956PA

(4,860 posts)
84. Late this morning, FBI Co-Deputy Director Bongino mentioned the word "obsession."
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:59 AM
Sep 2025

Bingino stated that Robinson had an "obsession" with Kirk.

Over the last few days, I have been thinking of the obsession which Mark David Chapman had with John Lennon. Chapman had Lennon sign an album cover a day or two before he shot him. Chapman, of course, was deranged. He liked Lennon"s music, but disliked a line in "Imagine" which seems to applaud atheism.

I think Robinson's obsessive attachment to all things Kirk was the foundation for his deadly act. In his twisted mind, Robinson felt that, if he could not be Charlie Kirk, then Kirk could be be Kirk either.

Janbdwl72

(248 posts)
88. In the contest for least credibility ever
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:16 PM
Sep 2025

Kash Patel ranks just a few hundredths of a point below the Orange Maniac.

Emile

(40,786 posts)
94. BS, he came from a right-wing republican family,
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:28 PM
Sep 2025

and family members all posed for family pictures with guns.

That is about the furthest leftist ideology I have ever heard of.

Republicans need to get off their hemorrhoidal asses and take personal responsibility for their ideology.

ancianita

(42,980 posts)
98. Yep. All their "found" are fabricated. All their fabricated are found.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:32 PM
Sep 2025
Patel's people "found something" that even the family, friend, pastor, as direct eyewitnesses to the shooter's life didn't even know about!!

barbtries

(31,147 posts)
103. they tortured the note
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:35 PM
Sep 2025

until it said what they wanted it to say.

propaganda is truly job ONE for this abject administration.

Mblaze

(926 posts)
109. "I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it."
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:47 PM
Sep 2025

Where did it say it was because of "Leftist ideology"?

DallasNE

(7,970 posts)
112. How Does "Aggressive Interview Posture" Differ From Torture
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:49 PM
Sep 2025

How well did that work following 9/11? We are still left with Gitmo decades later. Have we learned nothing?

AncientOfDays

(254 posts)
114. It was more personal than political
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:53 PM
Sep 2025

My opinion/analysis.

Robinson was raised MAGA and around a lot of guns. But he wasn't all that political. He was Groyper, but that wasn't his motivation. Somewhere along the line, Robinson fell in love with a trans person. Charlie Kirk comes along preaching hate against trans and causing hurt to someone Robinson loved. There is the motivation.

Let's hope it does go to trial and the truth comes out - else Kirk will continue to be a martyr and the drumbeat against "the left" will continue to intensify.

bluestarone

(21,295 posts)
119. Well, to me, Patel just proved how FN DUMB he knows his base is.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:24 PM
Sep 2025

They will believe ANYTHING they are told!! The whole bunch are INSANE!!!

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
131. Other sources are saying a note is involved, but it's as vague as Hindustan Times.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:04 AM
Sep 2025

K$H said it on Fox News, not a press conference. Usually you provide that type of info via a press conference. You just don't put case sensitive info out there in this manner because it can become "unscripted". Often they put a boring FBI analyst on, not the head. Mainly because showmanship is not good when discussing evidence. You want curated facts.

Nevertheless, there is a text message, which likely says the same thing as the torn up note.

RedArkGuy

(875 posts)
124. As for me . . .
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:46 PM
Sep 2025

. . . I will not be trusting a word of what Kash Patel's or Trump's FBI says about the motivations of the shooter. From the Utah police, I'd probably give it more credibility. But Patel, Trump and Bondi are all pathological liars and shouldn't be believed concerning much of anything, unless it is against their interest what they're saying.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,612 posts)
130. Has anyone told the promoted podcaster
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 04:36 PM
Sep 2025

that this making up random shit stuff only works when the suspect is deceased?

Crunchy Frog

(28,214 posts)
133. 20 years ago this could have made a really good near future, dystopic, comedy movie.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:24 AM
Sep 2025

They're like a mashup of the Gestapo and the Keystone Cops.

oasis

(53,372 posts)
138. Kash Patel had swallowed the note, but analysts
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:58 AM
Sep 2025

were able to decipher its message after sorting through his “droppings”.

John1956PA

(4,860 posts)
141. I am guessing, but I think the roommate destroyed the note which TR instructed him to find under the keyboard.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:53 PM
Sep 2025

I am guessing the FBI put the roommate under hypnosis in order to recall what the note stated.

I do not think that type of hypnosis-induced recollection would be admissible in court.

Initech

(107,584 posts)
143. He totally planted it.
Thu Sep 18, 2025, 09:56 AM
Sep 2025

They so *DESPERATELY* want the killer to fit their sick and twisted narrative so they can start committing violence against trans people, but he isn’t and well, the desperation reeks.

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