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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsText messages between Kirk killer and roommate
Robinson: drop what you are doing, look under my keyboard.
(When the roommate looked under Robinson's keyboard, there was a note that read: "I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it." )
Roommate: "What?????????????? You're joking, right????
Robinson: I am still ok my love, but am stuck in orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.
Roommate: you weren't the one who did it right????
Robinson: I am, I'm sorry
Roommate: I thought they caught the person?
Robinson: no, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. Its quiet, almost enough to get out, but theres one vehicle lingering.
Roommate: Why?
Robinson: Why did I do it?
Roommate: Yeah
Robinson: I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out.
Robinson: If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it.
Roommate: How long have you been planning this?
Robinson: a bit over a week I believe. I can get close to it but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't wanna chance it
Robinson: I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle.... I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpas rifle ... idek if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about prints I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. didn't have the ability or time to bring it with.... I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find prints. how the [expletive] will I explain losing it to my old man....
only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel....
remember how I was engraving bullets? The [expletive] messages are mostly a big meme, if I see "notices bulge uwu on fox new I might have a stroke alright im gonna have to leave it, that really [expletive] sucks.... judging from today I'd say grandpas gun does just fine idk. I think that was a $2k scope;-;
Robinson: delete this exchange
Robinson: my dad wants photos of the rifle ... he says grandpa wants to know who has what, the feds released a photo of the rifle, and it is very unique. Hes calling me rn, not answering.
Robinson: since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga.
Robinson: Im gonna turn myself in willingly, one of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.
Robinson: you are all I worry about love
Roommate: I'm much more worried about you
Robinson: don't talk to the media please. don't take any interviews or make any comments. ... if any police ask you questions ask for a lawyer and stay silent
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c04qenww53pt
EdmondDantes_
(1,391 posts)First, if you want to get away with murder, don't text people about it.
Second, I think when you're calling your roommate "my love" it's not just roommates.
hamsterjill
(17,059 posts)Rather than the fact that he's admitting to murder. (Not saying he didn't do it).
He must've had a pretty big fear of his father, who I assume he means in that comment.
MichMan
(16,652 posts)EdmondDantes_
(1,391 posts)Again another really stupid thing to do from an operational security perspective.
Igel
(37,383 posts)Talks about comparative size of problems, not absolute size.
orangecrush
(28,516 posts)BBC
Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)mackdaddy
(1,945 posts)Maybe they (police) heavily edited it. My spelling sux, er Sucks. Theirs seems awfully good.
Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)My love.
Gore1FL
(22,848 posts)It sounded like a bad youtube AI story more than anything.
I could be wrong, but this doesn't seem to pass my bullshit meter.
yardwork
(68,983 posts)It doesn't sound like any 22 year old I know. I thought the same thing - it sounds like AI that's been trained on romance novels.
This raises my suspicions. I still don't understand how the gun got abandoned in the woods in the first place. And now this odd text exchange focuses on the gun.
It's weird.
GreenWave
(12,368 posts)I saw a news article two days ago complaining that Robinson is refusing to talk. Seems like contradictory behaviors.
Igel
(37,383 posts)As opposed to talking to his "love."
Presumably one could be open to talking to one and not the other.
Prairie Gates
(7,213 posts)still-prayin4rain
(525 posts)Not even using Snapchat or some other secure, private means of communication.
Not saying they didn't, I just think it's wild.
LeftInTX
(34,015 posts)still-prayin4rain
(525 posts)LeftInTX
(34,015 posts)CousinIT
(12,258 posts)for his anti-LBGTQ views.
WarGamer
(18,256 posts)Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)Imagine, Charlie (Christ) Kirk being a martyr to the "trans activists". That's the regime's wet dream.
I'm in favor of the truth, whatever it may be, coming out. I just get suspicious when it exactly matches the narrative desired by Trump and his minions. Especially when I don't trust anyone involved in the investigation to tell the truth about anything.
CousinIT
(12,258 posts)We can't trust anything coming from the Trump crime syndicate.
Celerity
(53,705 posts)TheProle
(3,903 posts)Seems to be a bit of that going around other places, too.
Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)I don't have any capacity to shape the evidence to fit my preferred narrative, nor does anyone else on here.
My personal preference would be for objective and non-partisan professionals to be carrying out investigations and going wherever the evidence leads. Probably not spilling it out all over the media before the investigation is complete.
I don't have confidence that the people doing the investigation are entirely objective or acting entirely as professionals.
I don't think Trump wants people like that working for him. He had some in his last admin, but has largely gotten rid of them in this one.
orangecrush
(28,516 posts)leftstreet
(38,872 posts)in similar clothes?
This whole exchange seems made up
Shrek
(4,390 posts)leftstreet
(38,872 posts)He's desperate to recover a rifle so there's no evidence
...while he's texting all kinds of evidence (even where said Grandad's rifle is located)
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,201 posts)"Here's my confession, here's all the evidence, and delete this evidence detailing everything!!"
Oops!
leftstreet
(38,872 posts)MorbidButterflyTat
(4,201 posts)yardwork
(68,983 posts)The gun's location has been a mystery. How did he get the gun to the woods and why would he abandon it there - since he's so desperate to get it back? How did the gun get separated from him?
FBaggins
(28,644 posts)I believe they think he had the gun in his pant leg leaving the scene.
From these texts, I think he dropped into the woods and changed clothes (presumably to look like any other student to get away)
but there was no way to take the rifle with him while mixing with the people on campus.
ZZenith
(4,452 posts)Assuming hes the person hopping off the roof.
Whole thing fucking stinks to high heaven.
orangecrush
(28,516 posts)Greg_In_SF
(888 posts)in regard to the rifle, "I haven't seen anything about them finding it".
Clearly listening to or watching the news on his phone.
still-prayin4rain
(525 posts)"no, they grabbed some crazy old dude, THEN interrogated someone in similar clothing"
Nobody knew about the second suspect until well into the evening.
TheProle
(3,903 posts)The text message exchange between the suspect, Tyler Robinson, and his romantic partner provides the clearest explanation yet into a motivation for the killing of Mr. Kirk, a conservative political activist.
Mr. Robinson was charged with aggravated murder on Tuesday, as well as several crimes related to his direction to his partner to delete incriminating text messages and not to talk to the police. No lawyer is listed for Mr. Robinson in court records.
A charging document filed by prosecutors in court said that Mr. Robinsons mother told investigators that her son had grown more political, and that his political views had moved to the left over the last year or so. She also told the police that he had become more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented. Mr. Robinsons partner, who was living with him, had been transitioning to being a woman from a man, prosecutors said.
canetoad
(20,250 posts)On the BBC and that's what they're reporting but it doesn't smell right.
On edit: this must be the resurrected contents of the 'destroyed' note.
Shrek
(4,390 posts)Kept a copy for the record before destroying it?
Prairie Gates
(7,213 posts)I was all for healthy skepticism when it was goofy right wing sources, but if the BBC and New York Times are comfortable with the sourcing, people need to at least pay heed.
canetoad
(20,250 posts)Especially the BBC, but if this is the stuff that Patel is dishing out it's difficult to accept at face value.
Blue Full Moon
(3,180 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)I'm going to continue to maintain my skepticism for the time being.
Shrek
(4,390 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(8,710 posts)while the DA was holding a press conference to release this today. MSNBC, CNN, and Fox were all showing it live, so the sourcing is actually from the mouth of the DA.
uponit7771
(93,491 posts)... it's healthy to be skeptical of anything related to MAGA
yardwork
(68,983 posts)Now I'm very suspicious. This text exchange sounds fake.
BannonsLiver
(20,282 posts)Its odd wording for sure.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,201 posts)Texting like that, in complete sentences? No text speak? At 22??
Confessing all, with details?
Sure!
still-prayin4rain
(525 posts)Zero meme culture, (few) abbreviations, code words, or slang. And the young people I know all use apps of various kinds to communicate. Just very, very bizarre.
OneGrassRoot
(23,928 posts)OneGrassRoot
(23,928 posts)does NOT text like that, ffs. lol
Diraven
(1,830 posts)Which is another way-too-convenient aspect of this.
OneGrassRoot
(23,928 posts)But, yeah, everything is sus right now.
Diraven
(1,830 posts)Other than missing apostrophes. Do prosecutors typically correct spelling in direct written evidence in court filings?
Strelnikov_
(8,108 posts)This guy is getting Epsteined any time now.
Nixie
(17,939 posts)internet users. Saying a car is lingering. No 22-year-old guy is going to say lingering. Conveniently self-incriminating. It reeks of phoniness.
harumph
(3,115 posts)this whole exchange reads like badly written "exposition." Weird.
John1956PA
(4,839 posts)I think the two parties were texting via Snap Chat or some other app by which their messages quickly disappeared. I think the FBI hypnotized Lance in order to "reconstruct" the exchange, which I do not think would be admissible in court.
Patton French
(1,822 posts)Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)OneGrassRoot
(23,928 posts)true crime experts now, no one is buying it. 😂
Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)Not by a long shot.
I hope it won't become taboo on this site to not treat things that come out of the Trump administration as if they are gospel truth, with no skepticism.
SickOfTheOnePct
(8,710 posts)OneGrassRoot
(23,928 posts)how obsessed so many people in the US are with true crime podcasts, shows and such.
Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)BoRaGard
(7,591 posts)feels very phony
Jedi Guy
(3,424 posts)That assertion certainly didn't age well.
CNN is reporting that Robinson's mother stated that over the last few years her son had become more sympathetic to LGBTQ issues. Now it's been confirmed that he was dating his roommate, who was transitioning. That's not to say it's the roommate's fault or the fault of the LGBTQ community. The only person to blame here is Tyler Robinson. May he get what he deserves.
I understand the urge to reject that our side is capable of such violence. We like to believe that such things aren't possible because we're the good guys. The reality is that people who agree with our views are not, by virtue of those views alone, good people, and sometimes they do awful things.
yardwork
(68,983 posts)This text exchange is fake, imo. And that suddenly makes me very suspicious.
Jedi Guy
(3,424 posts)It's not just the chat transcript that points towards Robinson being motivated to kill Kirk because of his left-of-center political alignment and his objection to Kirk's views. The preponderance of the available evidence, right down to the anti-fascist etchings on the bullets in his rifle, points in that direction. This evidence includes statements Robinson made during a family dinner that align very closely with the transcript above.
I had someone assert that "Hey, fascist! Catch!", one of said etchings on said bullets, was solely a reference to a video game culture and had nothing whatsoever to do with Robinson's political beliefs or his view of Kirk. The words appear in a single video game, a game I myself have played while never encountering them. The claim was, to put it lightly, a hell of a stretch.
Again, I get it. I get the visceral "no" reaction to the idea that Robinson might have been motivated by left-of-center ideology. I get that it's distressing to consider. We're the good guys and we want to believe that our side is virtuous, on the side of the angels. And for the most part, I would say that's true. But it is a fact that people can sometimes do awful things when motivated by an ideology that is otherwise virtuous. People are complicated that way.
But it serves no useful purpose to close our eyes to the truth and spin ever more frantic theories in an attempt to deny the reality.
yardwork
(68,983 posts)I had no visceral "no!" reaction to his probable politics or relationships.
As I said, I had no problem believing that.
BUT this text exchange is fake as hell. So suddenly I feel very suspicious, when I wasn't suspicious before.
Read the text exchange again and ask yourself if this is how 22 year olds talk, much less text.
BannonsLiver
(20,282 posts)I suspect they are highly motivated to be cooperative, and more importantly, compliant. For all we know Kash and Pam have threatened to lock the whole family up if they dont play ball. In any other administration this would be utterly ludicrous to suggest but this regime operates like the mafia making it impossible to rule a scenario like that out completely.
The only thing that is completely clear is that Robinson had a strong dislike for Kirk, which is obvious given recent events.
yardwork
(68,983 posts)2MuchNoise
(723 posts)These men were close. So, it seems odd to me that he's just now telling his partner in a text that his father's a diehard maga.
It seems like they would have talked about that at some point in their relationship before that day.
Diraven
(1,830 posts)It's like the only reason this is in the text at all is to unambiguously establish the shooter as anti-MAGA.
Strelnikov_
(8,108 posts)yardwork
(68,983 posts)Response to TheProle (Original post)
liberalmuse This message was self-deleted by its author.
Shrek
(4,390 posts)I don't notice anything particularly noteworthy about the texts.
Nanjeanne
(6,511 posts)is not true.
TheProle
(3,903 posts)text messages that the state cannot back up forensically at trial.
Not that we don't live in silly times...
tinrobot
(11,955 posts)This document is 90% press release. I suspect this "evidence" will not actually make it to trial.
And if the kid gets off on technicalities related to this, they'll blame "woke" judges.
Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)to go along with anything he's asked to.
1WorldHope
(1,862 posts)I can't imagine a 22 year old doing it in a million years. Just like Tr💩p's "attempted assassination" everything is just too perfect.
Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)That he was dumb enough to confess to a roommate?
still-prayin4rain
(525 posts)people you know speak?
Some recent texts from my son: "ig they'll fix it idk" , "Yea u should get that's cool", "wdym i was there".
Also a straight A student and very smart. But his texts are atrocious with A LOT of abbreviations and zero punctuation.
And also, yes, the systematic admitting to each relevant data point.
Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)ok_cpu
(2,232 posts)It's bizarre. Suppose it could be a really immature grand gesture.
Or, as I adjust my tinfoil, what if it's to pre-emptively cover for someone who helped?
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)still-prayin4rain
(525 posts)Prairie Gates
(7,213 posts)Haven't you ever listened to BigXThaPlug?
It's all future perfect and siiiiix-seeeeeven.
LeftInTX
(34,015 posts)Mine text in sentences.
still-prayin4rain
(525 posts)What gives with that? I get trusting the process, but none of this is at all weird to you? Taking into consideration the absolute liars and enormous corruption of this administration, nothing at all seems suspicious about any of this?
I am not trying to call you out, I am genuinely curious. Are you just wanting to push everyone to not go over the conspiracy cliff? Why are you insisting this is all normal?
LeftInTX
(34,015 posts)The Affidavit says Discord. It doesn't say SMS.
So, everything is fake?? OK..
Like in Bush caused 911
Whatever.....
still-prayin4rain
(525 posts)Buckeyeblue
(6,203 posts)He wrote long complete sentences. No text slang. This is more how I (55 yrs old) text people.
Bettie
(19,289 posts)ages 17 to 24.
IrishAfricanAmerican
(4,381 posts)I want to see the phone company records of these so called "text messages." I'll bet money they don't exist.
Johonny
(25,506 posts)Clearly someone that wanted someone gone.
bamagal62
(4,355 posts)Theres too much long winded explaining.
taxi
(2,676 posts)Bluestocking
(518 posts)but the one time he does he misspells it idek instead of idk. No other spelling errors. This is fake.
WarGamer
(18,256 posts)Ursus Rex
(474 posts)I dont exactly know
yardwork
(68,983 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(105,585 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(10,207 posts)I guess the roommate is now going to have to testify against him.
TheProle
(3,903 posts)Immunity may have been on the table in return.
SickOfTheOnePct
(8,710 posts)is doing exactly the right thing, even down to taking a picture of the note (sounds like it was destroyed).
TheProle
(3,903 posts)LeftInTX
(34,015 posts)Response to TheProle (Original post)
TheFarseer This message was self-deleted by its author.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,388 posts)This chat looks fabricated rather than authentic. Here are some key reasons:
1. Tone and Style
The dialogue swings between casual internet slang ("idek", "uwu", "big meme"
and serious talk about rifles, interrogations, and hiding evidence.
Real conversations about crimes, especially between two 22-year-old men, would likely stick to a more consistent register.
The way Robinson narrates his actions ("I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits"
reads more like a dramatized script than a natural, spontaneous conversation.
2. Unrealistic Details
People discussing real crimes typically avoid writing down or explicitly describing incriminating details (engraving bullets, drop points, rifles wrapped in towels). This transcript reads like someone trying to sound incriminating for effect.
The references to memes and online culture in the middle of describing hiding a rifle undermine believability. For example: "if I see notices bulge uwu' on fox news I might have a stroke." This is jarringly inconsistent with the supposed
3. Overly Expository
Robinson explains his thoughts and reasoning in long, detailed paragraphs, almost like narrating for an audience. Real chats between young men are usually shorter, with shorthand, emojis, or quick lines.
The roommate's lines are unusually simplistic and serve mostly as prompts to let Robinson monologue (e.g., "Why?" "Yeah". This looks like a script device rather than real back-and-forth.
4. Red Flags in Phrasing
The highlighted lines ("to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence"
are too neat and self-
incriminating. Real people
Go to next post directly from here!
things so perfectly incriminating unless it's staged.
Shifts from serious crime discussion to meme humor suggest it may have been fabricated for shock value or trolling.
3
¢14
conclusion: almost certainly fabricated chat. It has the hallmarks of staged online content -overly incriminating detail, inconsistent tone, ad unnatural dialogue flow - rather than authentic private exchange between two 22 year olds
John1956PA
(4,839 posts)The FBI agents and Lance hammered out a recreated chat script which serves their respective interests. Patel has mentioned "enhanced interrogation" methods were used. I would not be surprised that he will eventually announce that hypnosis was used on Lance in order to sharpen his recollection.
LeftInTX
(34,015 posts)nvestigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigatorsinterviewed the roommate, who stated that his roommate (referring to Robinson) madea joke on discord. Investigators asked if he would show them the messages on discord,he opened it and showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigatorsto take photos of the screen as each message was shown by Robinsons roommate.These photos consisted of various messages, including content of messages betweenthe phone contact name Tyler with an emoji icon, and Robinsons roommates device. :The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tylerstating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messagesrelated to visually watching the area where a rifle was left, and a message referring tohaving left the rifle wrapped in a towel. The messages also refer to engraving bullets,and a mention of a scope and the rifle being unique.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26090603-robinson-affidavit-of-probable-cause/
I read they got a warrant from Discord over the weekend
John1956PA
(4,839 posts)yardwork
(68,983 posts)Tadams01KC
(54 posts)The discussion about the engraved bullets seems really odd. So Im to believe the shooter is trying to recover his rifle, and he has time to offer remember how I was engraving bullets? And goes into a detailed explanation. The roommate did not ask about it.
bluestarone
(21,216 posts)I'll wait until this whole thing clears up some.
Crunchy Frog
(28,214 posts)As opposed to simple regurgitation of whatever's presented by authorities and investigators who are MAGA and are pushing an agenda.
Dave Bowman
(6,686 posts)Response to TheProle (Original post)
Nictuku This message was self-deleted by its author.
paleotn
(21,592 posts)AI gorged on romance novels. 20 year old's today don't talk like that. I'm calling bullshit.
WSHazel
(632 posts)1) That text thread must have taken over an hour to write by text. Did he really have that much time?
2) This is the last time he will ever speak to his partner, and this is what they talk about?
That thread looks like bs to me.
orangecrush
(28,516 posts)think4yourself
(867 posts)Absolute fabrication. Nobody of ANY age talks like this.
NoMoreRepugs
(11,808 posts)if it is fact or fiction.


