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TheProle

(3,903 posts)
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:21 PM Sep 2025

Text messages between Kirk killer and roommate

Robinson: drop what you are doing, look under my keyboard.

(When the roommate looked under Robinson's keyboard, there was a note that read: "I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it." )

Roommate: "What?????????????? You're joking, right????

Robinson: I am still ok my love, but am stuck in orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.

Roommate: you weren't the one who did it right????

Robinson: I am, I'm sorry

Roommate: I thought they caught the person?

Robinson: no, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. Its quiet, almost enough to get out, but theres one vehicle lingering.

Roommate: Why?

Robinson: Why did I do it?

Roommate: Yeah

Robinson: I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out.

Robinson: If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it.

Roommate: How long have you been planning this?

Robinson: a bit over a week I believe. I can get close to it but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't wanna chance it

Robinson: I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle.... I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpas rifle ... idek if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about prints I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. didn't have the ability or time to bring it with.... I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find prints. how the [expletive] will I explain losing it to my old man....

only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel....

remember how I was engraving bullets? The [expletive] messages are mostly a big meme, if I see "notices bulge uwu” on fox new I might have a stroke alright im gonna have to leave it, that really [expletive] sucks.... judging from today I'd say grandpas gun does just fine idk. I think that was a $2k scope;-;

Robinson: delete this exchange

Robinson: my dad wants photos of the rifle ... he says grandpa wants to know who has what, the feds released a photo of the rifle, and it is very unique. Hes calling me rn, not answering.

Robinson: since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga.

Robinson: Im gonna turn myself in willingly, one of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.

Robinson: you are all I worry about love

Roommate: I'm much more worried about you

Robinson: don't talk to the media please. don't take any interviews or make any comments. ... if any police ask you questions ask for a lawyer and stay silent

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c04qenww53pt

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Text messages between Kirk killer and roommate (Original Post) TheProle Sep 2025 OP
A couple of things come to mind here EdmondDantes_ Sep 2025 #1
What comes to mind to me is the fact that he's more worried about his "old man" finding out about the rifle hamsterjill Sep 2025 #56
That was what jumped out to me too MichMan Sep 2025 #60
Fair. I assume it was some sort of family heirloom. EdmondDantes_ Sep 2025 #93
Or just doesn't think that killing Kirk was all that big a deal. Igel Sep 2025 #95
Disassociation orangecrush Sep 2025 #101
Ok hannah Sep 2025 #2
I wonder whether it's real or forged. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #3
I would have expected to see more abbreviations and texting jargon from a 22 year old. mackdaddy Sep 2025 #51
It sounds like it came from a romance novel written by AI. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #62
My thought, too. Gore1FL Sep 2025 #77
It's very strange. yardwork Sep 2025 #113
We live in an age where deception is easy. GreenWave Sep 2025 #79
Talk to cops. Igel Sep 2025 #96
Yowza Prairie Gates Sep 2025 #4
It's crazy that smart, internet savvy young people were texting like this. still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #5
I believe it was Discorde. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #38
I think he messaged a group on Discord. The alleged texts to his partner are described as "text messages" still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #69
I dunno. One of my friends decided to use Whats App for campaign stuff because it was more secure than regular text. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #70
If this is real, It sounds to me like he was "in love" with the roommate and mad at Kirk CousinIT Sep 2025 #6
that's what has been going around for a few days... WarGamer Sep 2025 #10
That's the narrative that the regime is fishing for. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #40
Yeah. That's why I said "if" this is real. CousinIT Sep 2025 #43
the texts are listed in the official charging document filed in court Celerity Sep 2025 #122
"That's the narrative that the regime is fishing for." TheProle Sep 2025 #68
I don't have any influence over the investigation. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #85
This orangecrush Sep 2025 #102
How did he know they'd grabbed an old dude leftstreet Sep 2025 #7
It was all over cable news at the time n/t Shrek Sep 2025 #9
It's just weird leftstreet Sep 2025 #12
And why did he leave it behind in the first place? MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #21
I don't know, my love leftstreet Sep 2025 #23
It don't add up, sweets! MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #45
HOW did he leave it behind? yardwork Sep 2025 #114
Some guesses FBaggins Sep 2025 #129
No way he had that gun in his pant leg when he was hopping off the roof. ZZenith Sep 2025 #132
He was still on the move not watching tv orangecrush Sep 2025 #103
He said Greg_In_SF Sep 2025 #64
How'd he know about them THEN interrogating a second suspect? still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #133
NYT Coverage (no paywall) TheProle Sep 2025 #8
I'm reading this canetoad Sep 2025 #11
The charging document indicates that they found a photo of the note n/t Shrek Sep 2025 #13
Thanks canetoad Sep 2025 #15
It's probably time for people here to start accepting that this is likely true Prairie Gates Sep 2025 #16
Totally agree canetoad Sep 2025 #17
All of our news media is suspect. They all bent the knee. Blue Full Moon Sep 2025 #22
Do not play tRump's game. He lies constantly to get people to not believe ANYTHING, not to believe his lies. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #86
And where are the BBC and NYT sourcing their information? Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #42
Lifted directly from the indictment Shrek Sep 2025 #46
I flipped through cable news... SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2025 #71
If anything MAGA related got to it first I'll wait, do t trust **ANY** of them for anything... uponit7771 Sep 2025 #80
I assumed it was true UNTIL I read this text exchange. yardwork Sep 2025 #115
That's what I think as well. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #130
This guy is 22? MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #14
Systematically to every single thing. The clothes, the gun, the motive, the planning, the relationship... still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #26
THANK YOU!!! n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2025 #31
The person who etched the memes in those casings... OneGrassRoot Sep 2025 #39
Apparently the etchings were just to frame Groypers Diraven Sep 2025 #55
Where have you heard that? OneGrassRoot Sep 2025 #97
Not even a single typo Diraven Sep 2025 #53
I'll buy that for a dollar! Strelnikov_ Sep 2025 #78
Exactly. No internet parlance that would be evident in young Nixie Sep 2025 #126
(1) He really doesn't sound too smart texting like this and (2)... harumph Sep 2025 #18
I am guessing, but I think this is recollection induced by hypnosis. John1956PA Sep 2025 #20
Interesting theory Patton French Sep 2025 #33
If this was in a movie or TV show, no one would buy it. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #44
And with a nation full of... OneGrassRoot Sep 2025 #98
I don't consider myself a true crime expert. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #99
This didn't come out of the Trump administration n/t SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2025 #100
Oh goodness, I was referring to... OneGrassRoot Sep 2025 #105
Thanks for the clarification. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #106
reads like AI crap BoRaGard Sep 2025 #19
Well, so much for Robinson being a Groyper Nick Fuentes acolyte. Jedi Guy Sep 2025 #24
I'd have no trouble believing that but I don't believe this text exchange. yardwork Sep 2025 #117
And the description of his recent past and politics by his mother? His relationship with his roommate? Jedi Guy Sep 2025 #121
You didn't read a word I said. yardwork Sep 2025 #123
The other thing is what has law enforcement threatened the parents with. BannonsLiver Sep 2025 #131
Very good points. yardwork Sep 2025 #134
This line: Robinson: since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga. 2MuchNoise Sep 2025 #25
Yeah that is weird Diraven Sep 2025 #57
Almost like a script Strelnikov_ Sep 2025 #82
Just one of many weird things about the texts. yardwork Sep 2025 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author liberalmuse Sep 2025 #27
Can you be more specific? Shrek Sep 2025 #30
The roommate can easily dispute this if it Nanjeanne Sep 2025 #28
It would also be quite silly to include in the charging document TheProle Sep 2025 #29
They desperately want to bake in the "he wasn't a conservative" meme early. tinrobot Sep 2025 #91
He may have been given some incentive Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #47
I'm not sure that I have ever used the word "vehicle" for anything I have ever driven. " 1WorldHope Sep 2025 #32
That's just how the kids talk these days. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #48
What's so interesting about this exchange? Elessar Zappa Sep 2025 #34
"If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence." - Is this the way the chronically online young still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #50
It isn't even the way my nephew, born in 1988, texts. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #66
Honestly, it reads too florid for 80 YO novelists. ok_cpu Sep 2025 #73
It's not "atrocious". It's a new language, a radical offshoot of English. It has logic & usefulness all its own. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #87
Yeah, true. I meant, atrocious to oldheads, obvs. still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #88
All the kids use the future perfect Prairie Gates Sep 2025 #90
Not mine. Not hubby's niece in her 20's. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #109
So, respectfully, you're on multiple threads touting this "nothing to see here" perspective. still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #125
It came from the State of Utah, not Patel. I guess I'm not a Democrat unless I believe an Affidavit is fake?? LeftInTX Sep 2025 #127
Ok, got my answer, thanks still-prayin4rain Sep 2025 #128
He doesn't text like my 22 year old daughter Buckeyeblue Sep 2025 #35
Doesn't text like any of my sons either Bettie Sep 2025 #76
Smells like bullshit... IrishAfricanAmerican Sep 2025 #36
Doesnt feel like text from a radical or insane person Johonny Sep 2025 #37
I'm not buying it. bamagal62 Sep 2025 #41
Basically, he was a Log Cabin Republican. nt taxi Sep 2025 #49
Doesn't use any text abbreviations Bluestocking Sep 2025 #52
idek i don't even know. WarGamer Sep 2025 #59
"E" for "exactly" Ursus Rex Sep 2025 #61
Bizarre. yardwork Sep 2025 #119
Predictive text is a thing (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2025 #65
He just screwed over his roommate. He can be charged with not reporting this to the authorities. kerry-is-my-prez Sep 2025 #54
Reports were the roommate was cooperative from the jump TheProle Sep 2025 #58
The roommate... SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2025 #75
Affidavit of Probable Cause TheProle Sep 2025 #63
Better copy LeftInTX Sep 2025 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author TheFarseer Sep 2025 #67
Several people have run this through chat gpt Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2025 #72
I think it is a recreation of a vanished Snap Chat exchange. John1956PA Sep 2025 #92
The Affidavit (dated sep 12) says Discord and that they took pictures of it from the roommate's phone. LeftInTX Sep 2025 #108
Thanks for the info. The affidavit seems to prove that the transcript is authentic. John1956PA Sep 2025 #116
Agreed. Who fabricated it though and why? yardwork Sep 2025 #120
This seems odd Tadams01KC Sep 2025 #81
I trust none of these assholes. bluestarone Sep 2025 #83
I'll wait until there's some real investigative journalism. Crunchy Frog Sep 2025 #89
This is fishy as hell. Dave Bowman Sep 2025 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Nictuku Sep 2025 #94
Smells like bullshit to me. paleotn Sep 2025 #104
Lots of good points in this thread. I would add 2 more WSHazel Sep 2025 #112
This sounds like a complete fabrication orangecrush Sep 2025 #107
Poppycock think4yourself Sep 2025 #110
Amazing how EVERYTHING has to be researched and parsed to determine NoMoreRepugs Sep 2025 #111
Truth is the first casualty orangecrush Sep 2025 #124

EdmondDantes_

(1,391 posts)
1. A couple of things come to mind here
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:24 PM
Sep 2025

First, if you want to get away with murder, don't text people about it.

Second, I think when you're calling your roommate "my love" it's not just roommates.

hamsterjill

(17,059 posts)
56. What comes to mind to me is the fact that he's more worried about his "old man" finding out about the rifle
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:07 PM
Sep 2025

Rather than the fact that he's admitting to murder. (Not saying he didn't do it).

He must've had a pretty big fear of his father, who I assume he means in that comment.

EdmondDantes_

(1,391 posts)
93. Fair. I assume it was some sort of family heirloom.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:40 PM
Sep 2025

Again another really stupid thing to do from an operational security perspective.

Igel

(37,383 posts)
95. Or just doesn't think that killing Kirk was all that big a deal.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:53 PM
Sep 2025

Talks about comparative size of problems, not absolute size.

mackdaddy

(1,945 posts)
51. I would have expected to see more abbreviations and texting jargon from a 22 year old.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:01 PM
Sep 2025

Maybe they (police) heavily edited it. My spelling sux, er Sucks. Theirs seems awfully good.

Gore1FL

(22,848 posts)
77. My thought, too.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:47 PM
Sep 2025

It sounded like a bad youtube AI story more than anything.

I could be wrong, but this doesn't seem to pass my bullshit meter.

yardwork

(68,983 posts)
113. It's very strange.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 08:10 PM
Sep 2025

It doesn't sound like any 22 year old I know. I thought the same thing - it sounds like AI that's been trained on romance novels.

This raises my suspicions. I still don't understand how the gun got abandoned in the woods in the first place. And now this odd text exchange focuses on the gun.

It's weird.

GreenWave

(12,368 posts)
79. We live in an age where deception is easy.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:49 PM
Sep 2025

I saw a news article two days ago complaining that Robinson is refusing to talk. Seems like contradictory behaviors.

Igel

(37,383 posts)
96. Talk to cops.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:54 PM
Sep 2025

As opposed to talking to his "love."

Presumably one could be open to talking to one and not the other.

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
5. It's crazy that smart, internet savvy young people were texting like this.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:28 PM
Sep 2025

Not even using Snapchat or some other secure, private means of communication.

Not saying they didn't, I just think it's wild.

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
70. I dunno. One of my friends decided to use Whats App for campaign stuff because it was more secure than regular text.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:30 PM
Sep 2025

CousinIT

(12,258 posts)
6. If this is real, It sounds to me like he was "in love" with the roommate and mad at Kirk
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:28 PM
Sep 2025

for his anti-LBGTQ views.

Crunchy Frog

(28,214 posts)
40. That's the narrative that the regime is fishing for.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:43 PM
Sep 2025

Imagine, Charlie (Christ) Kirk being a martyr to the "trans activists". That's the regime's wet dream.

I'm in favor of the truth, whatever it may be, coming out. I just get suspicious when it exactly matches the narrative desired by Trump and his minions. Especially when I don't trust anyone involved in the investigation to tell the truth about anything.

CousinIT

(12,258 posts)
43. Yeah. That's why I said "if" this is real.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:53 PM
Sep 2025

We can't trust anything coming from the Trump crime syndicate.

TheProle

(3,903 posts)
68. "That's the narrative that the regime is fishing for."
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:27 PM
Sep 2025

Seems to be a bit of that going around other places, too.

Crunchy Frog

(28,214 posts)
85. I don't have any influence over the investigation.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:04 PM
Sep 2025

I don't have any capacity to shape the evidence to fit my preferred narrative, nor does anyone else on here.

My personal preference would be for objective and non-partisan professionals to be carrying out investigations and going wherever the evidence leads. Probably not spilling it out all over the media before the investigation is complete.

I don't have confidence that the people doing the investigation are entirely objective or acting entirely as professionals.

I don't think Trump wants people like that working for him. He had some in his last admin, but has largely gotten rid of them in this one.



leftstreet

(38,872 posts)
7. How did he know they'd grabbed an old dude
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:30 PM
Sep 2025

in similar clothes?



This whole exchange seems made up

leftstreet

(38,872 posts)
12. It's just weird
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:36 PM
Sep 2025

He's desperate to recover a rifle so there's no evidence

...while he's texting all kinds of evidence (even where said Grandad's rifle is located)





MorbidButterflyTat

(4,201 posts)
21. And why did he leave it behind in the first place?
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:03 PM
Sep 2025

"Here's my confession, here's all the evidence, and delete this evidence detailing everything!!"

Oops!

yardwork

(68,983 posts)
114. HOW did he leave it behind?
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 08:14 PM
Sep 2025

The gun's location has been a mystery. How did he get the gun to the woods and why would he abandon it there - since he's so desperate to get it back? How did the gun get separated from him?

FBaggins

(28,644 posts)
129. Some guesses
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 11:45 PM
Sep 2025

I believe they think he had the gun in his pant leg leaving the scene.

From these texts, I think he dropped into the woods and changed clothes (presumably to look like any other student to get away)… but there was no way to take the rifle with him while mixing with the people on campus.

ZZenith

(4,452 posts)
132. No way he had that gun in his pant leg when he was hopping off the roof.
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 12:05 AM
Sep 2025

Assuming he’s the person hopping off the roof.

Whole thing fucking stinks to high heaven.

Greg_In_SF

(888 posts)
64. He said
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:19 PM
Sep 2025

in regard to the rifle, "I haven't seen anything about them finding it".

Clearly listening to or watching the news on his phone.

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
133. How'd he know about them THEN interrogating a second suspect?
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 12:55 AM
Sep 2025

"no, they grabbed some crazy old dude, THEN interrogated someone in similar clothing"

Nobody knew about the second suspect until well into the evening.

TheProle

(3,903 posts)
8. NYT Coverage (no paywall)
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:31 PM
Sep 2025
https://archive.ph/7nYdd

The 22-year-old man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk said in text messages to his romantic partner that he had “had enough of his hatred” and that “some hate can’t be negotiated out,” according to prosecutors who filed a murder charge against the suspect on Tuesday.

The text message exchange between the suspect, Tyler Robinson, and his romantic partner provides the clearest explanation yet into a motivation for the killing of Mr. Kirk, a conservative political activist.

Mr. Robinson was charged with aggravated murder on Tuesday, as well as several crimes related to his direction to his partner to delete “incriminating” text messages and not to talk to the police. No lawyer is listed for Mr. Robinson in court records.

A charging document filed by prosecutors in court said that Mr. Robinson’s mother told investigators that her son had grown more political, and that his political views had moved to the left over the last year or so. She also told the police that he had become “more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented.” Mr. Robinson’s partner, who was living with him, had been transitioning to being a woman from a man, prosecutors said.

canetoad

(20,250 posts)
11. I'm reading this
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:36 PM
Sep 2025

On the BBC and that's what they're reporting but it doesn't smell right.

On edit: this must be the resurrected contents of the 'destroyed' note.

Prairie Gates

(7,213 posts)
16. It's probably time for people here to start accepting that this is likely true
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:42 PM
Sep 2025

I was all for healthy skepticism when it was goofy right wing sources, but if the BBC and New York Times are comfortable with the sourcing, people need to at least pay heed.

canetoad

(20,250 posts)
17. Totally agree
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:44 PM
Sep 2025

Especially the BBC, but if this is the stuff that Patel is dishing out it's difficult to accept at face value.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
86. Do not play tRump's game. He lies constantly to get people to not believe ANYTHING, not to believe his lies. . . . nt
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:07 PM
Sep 2025

Crunchy Frog

(28,214 posts)
42. And where are the BBC and NYT sourcing their information?
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:50 PM
Sep 2025

I'm going to continue to maintain my skepticism for the time being.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
71. I flipped through cable news...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:30 PM
Sep 2025

…while the DA was holding a press conference to release this today. MSNBC, CNN, and Fox were all showing it live, so the sourcing is actually from the mouth of the DA.

uponit7771

(93,491 posts)
80. If anything MAGA related got to it first I'll wait, do t trust **ANY** of them for anything...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:50 PM
Sep 2025

... it's healthy to be skeptical of anything related to MAGA

yardwork

(68,983 posts)
115. I assumed it was true UNTIL I read this text exchange.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 08:16 PM
Sep 2025

Now I'm very suspicious. This text exchange sounds fake.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,201 posts)
14. This guy is 22?
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:40 PM
Sep 2025

Texting like that, in complete sentences? No text speak? At 22??

Confessing all, with details?

Sure!

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
26. Systematically to every single thing. The clothes, the gun, the motive, the planning, the relationship...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:09 PM
Sep 2025

Zero meme culture, (few) abbreviations, code words, or slang. And the young people I know all use apps of various kinds to communicate. Just very, very bizarre.

Diraven

(1,830 posts)
55. Apparently the etchings were just to frame Groypers
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:06 PM
Sep 2025

Which is another way-too-convenient aspect of this.

Diraven

(1,830 posts)
53. Not even a single typo
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:05 PM
Sep 2025

Other than missing apostrophes. Do prosecutors typically correct spelling in direct written evidence in court filings?

Nixie

(17,939 posts)
126. Exactly. No internet parlance that would be evident in young
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 09:37 PM
Sep 2025

internet users. Saying a car is “lingering.” No 22-year-old guy is going to say “lingering.” Conveniently self-incriminating. It reeks of phoniness.

harumph

(3,115 posts)
18. (1) He really doesn't sound too smart texting like this and (2)...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:52 PM
Sep 2025

this whole exchange reads like badly written "exposition." Weird.

John1956PA

(4,839 posts)
20. I am guessing, but I think this is recollection induced by hypnosis.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:00 PM
Sep 2025

I think the two parties were texting via Snap Chat or some other app by which their messages quickly disappeared. I think the FBI hypnotized Lance in order to "reconstruct" the exchange, which I do not think would be admissible in court.

Crunchy Frog

(28,214 posts)
99. I don't consider myself a true crime expert.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 07:16 PM
Sep 2025

Not by a long shot.

I hope it won't become taboo on this site to not treat things that come out of the Trump administration as if they are gospel truth, with no skepticism.

OneGrassRoot

(23,928 posts)
105. Oh goodness, I was referring to...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 07:37 PM
Sep 2025

how obsessed so many people in the US are with true crime podcasts, shows and such.

Jedi Guy

(3,424 posts)
24. Well, so much for Robinson being a Groyper Nick Fuentes acolyte.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:06 PM
Sep 2025

That assertion certainly didn't age well.

CNN is reporting that Robinson's mother stated that over the last few years her son had become more sympathetic to LGBTQ issues. Now it's been confirmed that he was dating his roommate, who was transitioning. That's not to say it's the roommate's fault or the fault of the LGBTQ community. The only person to blame here is Tyler Robinson. May he get what he deserves.

I understand the urge to reject that our side is capable of such violence. We like to believe that such things aren't possible because we're the good guys. The reality is that people who agree with our views are not, by virtue of those views alone, good people, and sometimes they do awful things.

yardwork

(68,983 posts)
117. I'd have no trouble believing that but I don't believe this text exchange.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 08:20 PM
Sep 2025

This text exchange is fake, imo. And that suddenly makes me very suspicious.

Jedi Guy

(3,424 posts)
121. And the description of his recent past and politics by his mother? His relationship with his roommate?
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 08:34 PM
Sep 2025

It's not just the chat transcript that points towards Robinson being motivated to kill Kirk because of his left-of-center political alignment and his objection to Kirk's views. The preponderance of the available evidence, right down to the anti-fascist etchings on the bullets in his rifle, points in that direction. This evidence includes statements Robinson made during a family dinner that align very closely with the transcript above.

I had someone assert that "Hey, fascist! Catch!", one of said etchings on said bullets, was solely a reference to a video game culture and had nothing whatsoever to do with Robinson's political beliefs or his view of Kirk. The words appear in a single video game, a game I myself have played while never encountering them. The claim was, to put it lightly, a hell of a stretch.

Again, I get it. I get the visceral "no" reaction to the idea that Robinson might have been motivated by left-of-center ideology. I get that it's distressing to consider. We're the good guys and we want to believe that our side is virtuous, on the side of the angels. And for the most part, I would say that's true. But it is a fact that people can sometimes do awful things when motivated by an ideology that is otherwise virtuous. People are complicated that way.

But it serves no useful purpose to close our eyes to the truth and spin ever more frantic theories in an attempt to deny the reality.

yardwork

(68,983 posts)
123. You didn't read a word I said.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 08:41 PM
Sep 2025

I had no visceral "no!" reaction to his probable politics or relationships.

As I said, I had no problem believing that.

BUT this text exchange is fake as hell. So suddenly I feel very suspicious, when I wasn't suspicious before.

Read the text exchange again and ask yourself if this is how 22 year olds talk, much less text.

BannonsLiver

(20,282 posts)
131. The other thing is what has law enforcement threatened the parents with.
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 12:02 AM
Sep 2025

I suspect they are highly motivated to be cooperative, and more importantly, compliant. For all we know Kash and Pam have threatened to lock the whole family up if they don’t play ball. In any other administration this would be utterly ludicrous to suggest but this regime operates like the mafia making it impossible to rule a scenario like that out completely.

The only thing that is completely clear is that Robinson had a strong dislike for Kirk, which is obvious given recent events.

2MuchNoise

(723 posts)
25. This line: Robinson: since trump got into office [my dad] has been pretty diehard maga.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:07 PM
Sep 2025

These men were close. So, it seems odd to me that he's just now telling his partner in a text that his father's a diehard maga.
It seems like they would have talked about that at some point in their relationship before that day.

Diraven

(1,830 posts)
57. Yeah that is weird
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:09 PM
Sep 2025

It's like the only reason this is in the text at all is to unambiguously establish the shooter as anti-MAGA.

Response to TheProle (Original post)

Shrek

(4,390 posts)
30. Can you be more specific?
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:24 PM
Sep 2025

I don't notice anything particularly noteworthy about the texts.

TheProle

(3,903 posts)
29. It would also be quite silly to include in the charging document
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:24 PM
Sep 2025

text messages that the state cannot back up forensically at trial.

Not that we don't live in silly times...

tinrobot

(11,955 posts)
91. They desperately want to bake in the "he wasn't a conservative" meme early.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:23 PM
Sep 2025

This document is 90% press release. I suspect this "evidence" will not actually make it to trial.

And if the kid gets off on technicalities related to this, they'll blame "woke" judges.

1WorldHope

(1,862 posts)
32. I'm not sure that I have ever used the word "vehicle" for anything I have ever driven. "
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:31 PM
Sep 2025

I can't imagine a 22 year old doing it in a million years. Just like Tr💩p's "attempted assassination" everything is just too perfect.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
34. What's so interesting about this exchange?
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:33 PM
Sep 2025

That he was dumb enough to confess to a roommate?

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
50. "If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence." - Is this the way the chronically online young
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:00 PM
Sep 2025

people you know speak?

Some recent texts from my son: "ig they'll fix it idk" , "Yea u should get that's cool", "wdym i was there".
Also a straight A student and very smart. But his texts are atrocious with A LOT of abbreviations and zero punctuation.

And also, yes, the systematic admitting to each relevant data point.

ok_cpu

(2,232 posts)
73. Honestly, it reads too florid for 80 YO novelists.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:38 PM
Sep 2025

It's bizarre. Suppose it could be a really immature grand gesture.

Or, as I adjust my tinfoil, what if it's to pre-emptively cover for someone who helped?

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
87. It's not "atrocious". It's a new language, a radical offshoot of English. It has logic & usefulness all its own. . . nt
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:13 PM
Sep 2025

Prairie Gates

(7,213 posts)
90. All the kids use the future perfect
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:22 PM
Sep 2025

Haven't you ever listened to BigXThaPlug?

It's all future perfect and siiiiix-seeeeeven.

still-prayin4rain

(525 posts)
125. So, respectfully, you're on multiple threads touting this "nothing to see here" perspective.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 09:30 PM
Sep 2025

What gives with that? I get trusting the process, but none of this is at all weird to you? Taking into consideration the absolute liars and enormous corruption of this administration, nothing at all seems suspicious about any of this?

I am not trying to call you out, I am genuinely curious. Are you just wanting to push everyone to not go over the conspiracy cliff? Why are you insisting this is all normal?

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
127. It came from the State of Utah, not Patel. I guess I'm not a Democrat unless I believe an Affidavit is fake??
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 10:25 PM
Sep 2025

The Affidavit says Discord. It doesn't say SMS.

So, everything is fake?? OK..


Like in Bush caused 911


Whatever.....

Buckeyeblue

(6,203 posts)
35. He doesn't text like my 22 year old daughter
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:34 PM
Sep 2025

He wrote long complete sentences. No text slang. This is more how I (55 yrs old) text people.

IrishAfricanAmerican

(4,381 posts)
36. Smells like bullshit...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:35 PM
Sep 2025

I want to see the phone company records of these so called "text messages." I'll bet money they don't exist.

Johonny

(25,506 posts)
37. Doesnt feel like text from a radical or insane person
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:40 PM
Sep 2025

Clearly someone that wanted someone gone.

Bluestocking

(518 posts)
52. Doesn't use any text abbreviations
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:02 PM
Sep 2025

but the one time he does he misspells it idek instead of idk. No other spelling errors. This is fake.

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,207 posts)
54. He just screwed over his roommate. He can be charged with not reporting this to the authorities.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:06 PM
Sep 2025

I guess the roommate is now going to have to testify against him.

TheProle

(3,903 posts)
58. Reports were the roommate was cooperative from the jump
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:10 PM
Sep 2025

Immunity may have been on the table in return.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
75. The roommate...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:41 PM
Sep 2025

…is doing exactly the right thing, even down to taking a picture of the note (sounds like it was destroyed).

Response to TheProle (Original post)

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,388 posts)
72. Several people have run this through chat gpt
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:34 PM
Sep 2025

This chat looks fabricated rather than authentic. Here are some key reasons:
1. Tone and Style
• The dialogue swings between casual internet slang ("idek", "uwu", "big meme&quot and serious talk about rifles, interrogations, and hiding evidence.
Real conversations about crimes, especially between two 22-year-old men, would likely stick to a more consistent register.
• The way Robinson narrates his actions ("I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits&quot reads more like a dramatized script than a natural, spontaneous conversation.

2. Unrealistic Details
People discussing real crimes typically avoid writing down or explicitly describing incriminating details (engraving bullets, drop points, rifles wrapped in towels). This transcript reads like someone trying to sound incriminating for effect.
• The references to memes and online culture in the middle of describing hiding a rifle undermine believability. For example: "if I see notices bulge uwu' on fox news I might have a stroke." This is jarringly inconsistent with the supposed

3. Overly Expository
• Robinson explains his thoughts and reasoning in long, detailed paragraphs, almost like narrating for an audience. Real chats between young men are usually shorter, with shorthand, emojis, or quick lines.
• The roommate's lines are unusually simplistic and serve mostly as prompts to let Robinson monologue (e.g., "Why?" "Yeah". This looks like a script device rather than real back-and-forth.

4. Red Flags in Phrasing
• The highlighted lines ("to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence&quot are too neat and self-
incriminating. Real people
Go to next post directly from here!
things so perfectly incriminating unless it's staged.
• Shifts from serious crime discussion to meme humor suggest it may have been fabricated for shock value or trolling.
3
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conclusion: almost certainly fabricated chat. It has the hallmarks of staged online content -overly incriminating detail, inconsistent tone, ad unnatural dialogue flow - rather than authentic private exchange between two 22 year olds

John1956PA

(4,839 posts)
92. I think it is a recreation of a vanished Snap Chat exchange.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:37 PM
Sep 2025

The FBI agents and Lance hammered out a recreated chat script which serves their respective interests. Patel has mentioned "enhanced interrogation" methods were used. I would not be surprised that he will eventually announce that hypnosis was used on Lance in order to sharpen his recollection.

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
108. The Affidavit (dated sep 12) says Discord and that they took pictures of it from the roommate's phone.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 07:48 PM
Sep 2025

nvestigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigatorsinterviewed the roommate, who stated that his roommate (referring to Robinson) madea joke on discord. Investigators asked if he would show them the messages on discord,he opened it and showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigatorsto take photos of the screen as each message was shown by Robinson’s roommate.These photos consisted of various messages, including content of messages betweenthe phone contact name “Tyler” with an emoji icon, and Robinson’s roommate’s device. :The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact “Tyler”stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messagesrelated to visually watching the area where a rifle was left, and a message referring tohaving left the rifle wrapped in a towel. The messages also refer to engraving bullets,and a mention of a scope and the rifle being unique.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26090603-robinson-affidavit-of-probable-cause/

I read they got a warrant from Discord over the weekend

Tadams01KC

(54 posts)
81. This seems odd
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:02 PM
Sep 2025

The discussion about the engraved bullets seems really odd. So I’m to believe the shooter is trying to recover his rifle, and he has time to offer “remember how I was engraving bullets?” And goes into a detailed explanation. The roommate did not ask about it.

Crunchy Frog

(28,214 posts)
89. I'll wait until there's some real investigative journalism.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 06:20 PM
Sep 2025

As opposed to simple regurgitation of whatever's presented by authorities and investigators who are MAGA and are pushing an agenda.

Response to TheProle (Original post)

paleotn

(21,592 posts)
104. Smells like bullshit to me.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 07:31 PM
Sep 2025

AI gorged on romance novels. 20 year old's today don't talk like that. I'm calling bullshit.

WSHazel

(632 posts)
112. Lots of good points in this thread. I would add 2 more
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 08:06 PM
Sep 2025

1) That text thread must have taken over an hour to write by text. Did he really have that much time?

2) This is the last time he will ever speak to his partner, and this is what they talk about?

That thread looks like bs to me.

NoMoreRepugs

(11,808 posts)
111. Amazing how EVERYTHING has to be researched and parsed to determine
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 07:56 PM
Sep 2025

if it is fact or fiction.

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