Looks like shooter's roomate didn't know anything about the shooting, thought it was someone else

[bigtree]

Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney 1h
Here is the full exchange that Tyler Robinson had with his roommate/partner after Charlie Kirk was shot. Said he had been planning it about a week, said to delete the messages.

Read the full charging document: https://t.co/juKh9Nks0d





...also sounds like the motivations for the killings was all on the shooter. No mention of any 'leftist groups' in the Discord messages, or any of the stuff which Trump, Bondi, and Patel are going on about 'the left' being to blame.

Also doesn't sound like his roommate had any personal understanding of 'why' he had shot the activist.

[WarGamer]

1. This pretty much sums it up.

Robinson’s mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented.She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views. In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at UVU, whichRobinson said was a “stupid venue” for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate.

As they discussed the situation, Robinson implied that he was the shooter and stated thathe couldn’t go to jail and just wanted to end it. When asked why he did it, Robinson explained there is too much evil and the guy [Charlie Kirk] spreads too much hate. They talked aboutRobinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson to speak with a family friend who is a retired deputy sheriff. At Robinson’s father’s request, the family friend met with Robinson and his parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in.

[bigtree]

3. I'm going to guess that from the way he mentioned his dad turning MAGA

...they hadn't had many political discussions.

His friend seemed out of the loop about why Kirk was targeted, and he mentioned the 'hate' as if it had never been discussed before...

Roommate: Why?

Shooter: "I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out."

[WarGamer]

6. A quote from roommates family:

The family member of Twiggs told Wisconsin Right Now that Twiggs harbored animosity toward conservatives and Christians. The relative also said he is full of “hatred,” and that they have been avoiding Twiggs for about four years. “I know the reason I had nothing to do with him is he (Lance Twiggs) is full of evil and hatred,” the family member alleged. “While this is extremely shocking, I was afraid he might hurt someone.” “For at least four years, I haven’t talked to him,” the relative added. “I did not want him around my personal family. He’s not a healthy person.”

[Quiet Em]

16. Lance Twiggs fully cooperated and is not on trial.

That unnamed family member seems to be the one who harbors a lot of hatred.

[WarGamer]

17. Those statements are necessary to understand the motive of Robinson.

[Quiet Em]

19. They don't explain his motivations.

They only explain the mindset of the relatives.

[Silent Type]

4. Pretty much explains motive. Worse, it gives GOPers a bit more ammunition for their distorted view it's "radical left."

Hope this chit fades soon.

[MichMan]

11. That would seem to contradict most of the posts here the last several days

[WarGamer]

12. yup...

[MichMan]

24. Par for the course I suppose.

Here is what I have seen here multiple times and posted as absolute facts

Robinson was a confirmed groyper and hated Kirk because he wasn't conservative enough

Robinson was MAGA just like his dad and the rest of the family. The grandmother said so.

The "room mate" was just someone who rented a room from the parents house where Robinson also lived and had no connection with him

The room mate was not trans. It was a filtered picture from a cosplay.

Some of us decided it was best to not make wild accusations and wait until the investigation played out.

[Quiet Em]

39. We still don't know Tyler's political leanings,

we only know how his mother defines them.

[RussBLib]

63. a minor nit to pick

You said, Some of us decided it was best to not make wild accusations and wait until the investigation played out.

I would venture that "most" of us decided it was best to not make wild accusations...." There are thousands of DU members. Some jumped the gun, sure. I think that happens in almost every situation. Some people see something online that confirms their bias and they repost here. When that happens, there should be a caveat.

https://russblib.blogspot.com

[Quiet Em]

13. That sums up the mother's rationale, not Tyler's.

The mother bases her views of political leanings based on if someone is accepting of LGBTQ individuals or not. Clearly she was not.

[indusurb]

2. This isn't going to end well

Going to be used call for an open season on gay, trans, and leftist people in general. This has been brewing since Kirk was shot, but to have it put down officially in black and white, that's going to light the fuse. Be careful out there folks, it's going to get ugly quick.

[Silent Type]

5. That's the disturbing problem with today's revelations.

[bigtree]

7. why?

...all sorts of people murder others, for all sorts of reasons.

This is a nation of some 342 million.

We need to be more honest about how many people are making these connections that the right wing and the media are pushing us to adopt in this case.

And I'm tired of listening to the right complain about their people killed when their president is targeting Democrats and Democratic cities exclusively with the full force of the federal government and military.

People act as if there's no consequence to rational people in this country being fed up with this fascist WH and administration's attempts to own them; as if only republicans and bigots have tempers.

Are they not paying attention? It's republicans that should be worried about blowback.. TWO dissaffected republicans tried to kill their party's president.

Democrats intend to clean house of the enablers in Congress in the midterms., and we are pissed beyond the performative, cowardly, American-phobic republican bullshit.

Fuck, give them a platform and they're a pack of circus clowns.

[indusurb]

8. Why what?

Why is going to light the fuse on violence directed at gay, trans and leftist people in general? Because the rabid MAGA right has been salivating for some excuse to go after these groups for decades now, and this court filing provides the trifecta for them, a shooter who had gone left in his political views because of his gay relationship with a trans woman. Pile on top of that that the victim was their knight in hate mongering Armour, and you have the recipe for a bunch of crazed right wing folks, including our current President and his misadministration, to go off. Trump was already threatening to go after various liberal organizations before this was filed, he will double down on that.

Peruse your history, the Holacaust didn't start with Jews, it started with gay, trans and left leaning people.

[bigtree]

14. fuck them

...they are a minority of Americans.

I'm not afraid of their bullshit, and it's clear they're not the only ones with anger issues.

What happened to the 'party of personal responsibility?'

They're putting on this farce about the 'left' being responsible for a Utah boy killing someone virtually no one knows except these cretins and the people Kirk attacked, and people are behaving as if republicans' performative anger is the only influential force in this country.

The asshole was a demagogic con, and so is all of this anger directed toward the left. It's a republican political stunt that will backfire with the next, inevitable violent act perpetrated by their following.

None of that started with the Kirk killing, and no one outside of their cult is impressed or afraid of them.

[Shrek]

18. Lot of recent chatter on Twitter along those lines

"You killed the nice guy who just wanted to talk, now you get me" kind of stuff.

[BeyondGeography]

9. "I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out."

So will Pam Bondi arrest people for saying the shooter found Charlie Kirk’s words to be hateful?

[fujiyamasan]

10. I hope the roommate is left alone and the identity is kept secret

Given how amped up the hatred has been of trans people in recent months.

Robinson sounds like he was completely caught in a bizarre online subculture, and I originally wondered if ideology had much to do with it, but its starting to sound like it did to an extent.

Rather than actually doing something to help trans people, gays, or anyone else, he resorted to violence, making it that much worse for everyone. I’m not sure what this guy was really trying to accomplish. All he did was give the other side a marty and the administration an excuse to crack down further on well, everyone.

Was it just blind rage? Just because Kirk was an ass hole, didn’t give him the right to kill him.

Fuck this guy.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

21. I didn't see it in the press conference today

But I did read somewhere that a deputy had publicly confirmed the name of the roommate.

The roommate is very smart to cooperate.

[LeftInTX]

29. Already identified the day of the arrest. Daily Mail has name and pictures.

Followed by the NY Post etc.

Roommate will probably testify if this goes to trial.

[Kingofalldems]

15. Looks like Trump's gatekeepers are celebrating.

[WarGamer]

25. ...

[bigtree]

26. I seriously doubt that most people reason like Trump and the right want us to

...there isn't any logic at all in their screaming about the 'left' being responsible for this cretin making someone mad enough to lose their mind and kill over political rhetoric.

And most people are smart enough to see that the 'left' is an anti-gun, peace-seeking political movement; as they're smart enough to know that gun-toting bigots and racists mad at everyone in the world other than themselves; armed to the hilt with the intent of overthrowing the government they disagree with; the only political force that's violently attacked the seat of our democracy.

They are celebrating their own political demise. Their little charade will collapse under the weight of their own threatening bullshit. There's only ONE party threatening Americans.

ONE fucking party, and they don't scare or impress me with their divisive bullshit that only makes them look even more detached from how the majority of us love, work, and get along together.

If they want to be a fearful mob of whingers, then so be it.

[1WorldHope]

20. Kash Patel wrote that bs in my opinion. Kids don't text like that.

[Shrek]

28. How do they text? n/t

[tinrobot]

42. Not in 50-word paragraphs, that's for sure.

Texts are short and young people use a lot of abbreviations and acronyms.

This reads like a lawyer wrote it, not a 20-something gaming kid.

[Midwestern Democrat]

51. Well, they're not texting about silly stuff - they're talking about the gravest subject imaginable - capital murder. NT

[tinrobot]

53. It's not anything close to how 20 year olds communicate

Reads more like a lawyer wrote it.

And, if he's so concerned about fingerprints, why the hell is he confessing everything in writing?

Does not pass the smell test.

[LeftInTX]

31. That's a charging document. It was presented in court. It was obtained via subpoena from Discord.

If K$H wrote it, how did it end up in Robinson's account on Discord's server.

My kids text in full sentences, although they're in their 30's.

[leftstreet]

35. So Robinson was texting via Discord?

This exchange wasn't on his phone the way most of us message?

[LeftInTX]

41. It's on a direct message on the Discord app. At least that's what I first read.

Kinda like What's App, or FB Messenger.

[MichMan]

36. Waiting for a post stating that Musk planted it over star link

[LeftInTX]

40. LOL! I'm waiting for a post that blames Chuck Schumer!

[Wiz Imp]

43. The charging document does not mention the source

and Discord is not mentioned anywhere in the charging document.

[LeftInTX]

44. It says discord

Investigators asked if he would show them the messages on discord,he opened it and showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigatorsto take photos of the screen as each message was shown by Robinson’s roommate.These photos consisted of various messages, including content of messages betweenthe phone contact name “Tyler” with an emoji icon, and Robinson’s roommate’s device The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact “Tyler”stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messagesrelated to visually watching the area where a rifle was left, and a message referring tohaving left the rifle wrapped in a towel. The messages also refer to engraving bullets,and a mention of a scope and the rifle being unique.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26090603-robinson-affidavit-of-probable-cause/

[Wiz Imp]

46. That's not the charging document

And that document doesn't even show the supposed text exchange like the charging document does. It mentions there were messages on discord, but provides no evidence that they obtained the text exchange via a subpoena of Discord's server.

I'm not saying it isn't real, but so far I've seen no official court document saying "It was obtained via subpoena from Discord"

[LeftInTX]

47. Affidavit of Probable Cause

It says it right there! It is a legal document that says it was on discord. Why is this so hard for everyone??

Is discord some universe where people don't "text"? Hello?

[Wiz Imp]

64. you claimed "It was obtained via subpoena from Discord."

There is no evidence at this point which confirms that. Your position seems to be that the texts as published have already been legally determined to be true.

Meanwhile, constitutional attorney KrisAnne Hall said sharing the texts could damage the trial because the testimony and evidence has not yet been vetted by the court.

Link to tweet

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IS UTAH TRYING TO LOSE THIS CASE?! - UT v Robinson

I just watched Utah Prosecutor Jeff Gray publicly read aloud private text messages, interviews, and alleged confessions during a press conference - BEFORE TRIAL - about UT v. Tyler Robinson (Charlie Kirk Shooting Case)
He even referred to them at the press conference as FACTS. Are you kidding me?

Oversharing inculpatory evidence like this is a HUGE constitutional no-no.

Even the slap on of a vague disclaimer like “we want a fair trial,” the damage is already done.

Also, the statements by Gray of "We will not be speaking to the press during the trial" AFTER READING ACTUAL TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE THAT HAS NOT BEEN VETTED BY THE COURT, is a lame and empty attempt to cover this massive violation of
= due process, 4th Amendment, 5th Amendment, etc
= the presumption of innocence,
= and the integrity of the entire case.

This is not just an error in strategy, this is potentially a legally destructive action.

We will see motions to:
Suppress tainted jury pools
Request sequestration or gag orders
Move for change of venue
Seek exclusion of evidence due to taint or even
Mistrial!
Ultimately, the defense may assert reversible error on appeal if the court fails to act

It is NOT a subject up to interpretation. There is long standing case law on this.

The Supreme Court in Sheppard v. Maxwell, 384 U.S. 333 (1966) reversed Sheppard’s conviction, ruling 7–2 that he was denied a fair trial due to a failure to shield the proceedings from prejudicial media coverage.

Majority Opinion (Justice Clark):
The Court held that while freedom of the press is essential, it must not override a defendant’s right to a fair trial.

[LeftInTX]

65. I'm familiar with evidence rules and it is best to present as such during discovery.

However, I didn't write the Affidavit.

They are also in the formal Indictment.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/09/16/us/tyler-robinson-charges.html

[still-prayin4rain]

45. That's John Barron's work if I've ever seen it

[debm55]

22. I don"t know if it is me, but the dialogue between the two, sounds like it came from a 40's B Movie or a Hallmark movie

JMO

[OneGrassRoot]

23. Y'all.............

PLEASE remember who we're dealing with. A narrative was launched immediately before anyone was identified as shooter.

The same person who etched those memes in the casings isn't the same person in those alleged texts. 22-year-olds in 2025 don't text like that. Period. Certainly not ones deep into meme culture.

There are other inconsistencies as well.

I'd chill on every aspect of this story and not run with it immediately. Plus, the damage is already done.

[debm55]

27. I agree with you.

[LeftInTX]

32. It's a court document, not a media thing. Obtained from Discord server via a subpoena

Maybe you can prove me wrong. My kids text in full sentences, although they are in their 30s. My youngest has always done voice to text.

[Diraven]

30. I have a hard time believing this is real

This is not how young people text. There's not even one single spelling mistake other than missing apostrophes. Do they typically edit direct written evidence for spelling in court filings? The language sounds unnatural like it was written by AI.

[LeftInTX]

33. Voice to text. That's what my son does.

[Diraven]

38. If it's voice to text

Then why is there missing capitalization in some places but not others?

[Lurker Deluxe]

48. Discord is weird

I am not sure of the order, however I think it was Ventrillo, then Teamspeak, then Discord that we use/used.

I am a gamer and in raids we use Discord exclusively now, and you can go back and read the chat logs that happened during the raid and sometimes it looks like gibberish and sometimes it is as clear as a well written book.

Voice deflection means a lot, if a raid starts to go sideways the voice to text does as well.

You can look back on it to figure out what went haywire and sometimes it is clear as can be and other times think it is the wrong patch.

Can be all over the place, voice to text is good, but still not great.

Alexa will still put something crazy like a pencil on my grocery list for no apparent reason.

[Mosby]

49. Some of the language is weird though

"Old man", then switches to dad. Vehicle? That's a word police use.

[OneGrassRoot]

50. It's the words used as well..

There is nothing about these exchanges that sounds like a 22 y/o deep into meme culture as the bullet casing messages reflect.

He starts off by saying they left a note under the keyboard for his roommate, but then starts off the chat by saying he was hoping roommate would never have to know.

Other oddness and inconsistencies too.

I don’t know. We may never know. I’m just suggesting that people chill out when anything is newly released from any official agency involved in this investigation and not share it everywhere because everything is weird right now.

[DemocracyWorks]

34. Yup and I believed right from start this was the motive

A right winger killing another right winger doesn’t make much sense and the roommate actions lines up with the note.

[fujiyamasan]

54. It would have made sense

If the purpose was to create more chaos and social unrest, the “civil war” the right is using so frequently now.

My first assumption was someone not super ideological doing it for the “LULZ”. That was before I heard about the trans roommate. It sounded more personal at that point. This nihilistic perpetually online gamer culture is really not something I understand.

[Bluestocking]

37. I wonder who planted this "evidence"

[Mark.b2]

52. it reads like they staged it to give the impression...

the boyfriend didnt know.

[Fawny]

55. I am

A black woman.

And I believe this was a MAGA insider job. There is no way this way done by this white guy alone. Stupid.

[marble falls]

58. Awfully random, why do you think "a black woman"?

[flying_wahini]

60. Welcome to DU Fawny! Yes, an inside job.

[Emile]

56. Why are we still talking about a killing that happened over a week ago?

Will Trump release the Epstein files today?

[Just_Vote_Dem]

57. We can do both

And yes, where are the Epstein files, as they need to be released TODAY.

[joshcryer]

59. I think the Discord messages are an alibi for the roommate.

There's no way that roommate didn't know about the engravings or had a discussion about it.

The first sentence shown is him speaking of his rifle as if the roommate knows what he is talking about.

Then the roommate pleads ignorance and he changes his tone completely. Essentially admitting to it. It comes off as a role play but it is very very real.

Then he mentions the rifle again, and again it is as if he expects the roommate to know about dumping it.

Then radio silence. And he turns himself in. For him the rifle is like the sheath the Moscow murderer left behind. His dad recognized it instantly and asked about "grandpa's rifle" which caused Robinson to fess up.

[yardwork]

61. These text messages or whatever they are are bizarre.

Nobody talks or texts like that. The syntax is awkward and inconsistent.

It sounds like AI trained on bad romance novels.

I'm perfectly ready to believe that the shooter was in a relationship with a trans woman and killed Kirk because of his hateful comments.

I'm not ready to believe that these texts should be taken at face value.

Did the shooter write them and deliberately write in this bizarre way?

Did somebody else write them?

And why?

[roscoeroscoe]

62. Please tell me you took a second look and don't believe any of this nonsense.

They're trying to nail down the conviction in the media. Look at the language used here. Does this sound real? C'mon.