Questions here. Is there any way to force ICE to unmask? I mean WE are paying these monsters to ASSAULT us.

[bluestarone]

THEY need to be forced to unmask, Am i wrong that ALL Government employees need identification for lawful behavior? WTF? How can this be handled the best way?

[yellow dahlia]

1. Excellent question!

[usonian]

2. spray strong perfume? I don't know about "that other stuff". Flower power?

Checking for anti-perfume laws ....

[bluestarone]

9. I was thinking fabric coloring that is close to permanent?

Spray on clothing.

[usonian]

11. That wouldn't cause one to unmask.

"Glitter bombs" have been used.
One wouldn't want to cause material damage, so to speak.

[bluestarone]

13. I was just thinking of a way to identify that person only

Not causing them to unmask. Fabric coloring is fairly permanent,

[usonian]

21. I took your request literally.

I am sure that the same face recognition that they use could be adapted, though perhaps with more open software tools.

Glitter is "permanent enough" without being "permanent" in a "damages" sense.

[bluestarone]

24. Glitter would be fine.

Just trying to think of ways to identify, because i'm thinking that they will never be forced to remove masks. I cannot believe, in our great country, these so called law enforcement asshole are allowed to do what they are doing? Someone has the answer, i don't but would love a perfect way to identify them personally.

[usonian]

46. The California Legislature has passed a bill to unmask. Some details below. Pending signature.

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/california-legislature-bill-law-enforcement-face-coverings/

[bluestarone]

47. Yea i saw that. I love it, but I'm thinking that even this will be ruled against

by the appeals court, or Supreme court. I just don't understand how ICE gets away with it? States should be allowed to stop ICE in their states. At the very least States should be given NAMES of all ICE personal coming to their state, PLUS wages paid each one!! Should be a matter of public record what their wages are!!

[Evrytingfinemon]

68. Americorp.

It's all connected. Like that old song.
Ohhhh, the pigs bones connected to the law bones..
And the law bones connected to the pay to play bones..which is connected to greed bones...

[Irish_Dem]

3. Federal agents who are jackboot masked thugs, cowards and traitors.

Damn right they need to take their masks off.
But they are man baby cowards.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. Why do you think unmasking them would change their behavior?

[bluestarone]

5. I DON'T, but

At the very least they could be identified for prosecutorial purposes? We need very good lawyers!!

[SickOfTheOnePct]

6. If they break the law...

...they can be easily identified and prosecuted; taking their masks off won't make any difference in that case.

I don't understand why people think it's so important to identify them at the time of the operations.

[bluestarone]

7. Explain to us how this can be done please

There are thousands of ICE, so how to get the one that commits the crime? Please explain.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

8. How many of these "crimes" are being videotaped?

Then shown to local prosecutors for them to decide if, by what they see, a crime has been committed? You don't need a name in order to see if someone is committing a crime.

If the local prosecutors feel they are committing a crime, they can seek warrants to have the feds identify them, and proceed from there.

[bluestarone]

10. Not gonna happen with this bunch

No way.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

12. If you don't believe they can't/won't be prosecuted...

...then what is the point of seeing their faces and knowing their names?

[bluestarone]

16. Your kidding, right?

Christ you need PROOF who that person is. WTF?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

18. OK, so you're missing my point

You already said that they won't be prosecuted. So if they won't be prosecuted, why do you need their names?

[bluestarone]

19. We are done!

You don't have a point.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

20. And happy Saturday to you too n/t

[VTderry]

44. Because being hidden behind a mask certainly emboldens them

to be more aggressive, violent, and cruel than if they feared being immediately identified on social media-- or, worse yet, by friends/neighbors/family who are unaware that they have gone full jackbooted thug.

They claim they are concerned about "retaliation" (i.e. having done unto them) but the court of public opinion is what they truly fear.

[lame54]

30. They should be unmasked. Why are you arguing this

[SickOfTheOnePct]

33. I'm trying to figure out...

...what the point of unmasking them is and what will gained by it.

[lame54]

38. Ask ICE...

They are wearing masks for all the reasons you keep denying

[SickOfTheOnePct]

39. I haven't denied anything

I'm simply asking what is gained by unmasking them.

The behavior isn't going to be changed, which is what we all want, so what is the actual point?

[Evrytingfinemon]

69. MAGA MORONS.

DO NOT FEED THE MAGATS!!!!🤣🤣🤣

[allegorical oracle]

49. To make a point. These troops are abusing people and property. They are

behaving like storm troopers, not legitimate law enforcement.

[Heidi]

53. NO! You need to make your case for allowing unidentifiable thugs

to brutalize people. See how that works?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

56. So say you

You're the one making the case for taking off the masks, so make it.

[Heidi]

57. Not playing your game. Most cops aren't masked.

It’s on YOU to make a case for a departure from the norm.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

61. Cops aren't masked and they still brutalize people. So are masks the problem?

[allegorical oracle]

64. Identifying a law-breaking police officer becomes much more difficult if the

law-breaking police personnel are masked. Moreover, imitators can impersonate masked law officers more easily. For the purpose of legal purposes, arresting officials are in power and can physically or sexually abuse those they arrest. Those arrested have a civil right to know who arrested them.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

65. .

Those arrested have a civil right to know who arrested them.

People have a right to know why they're being arrested, they have a right to ask about names and badge numbers, and they have a right to request the arrest report, which should include name and badge number information, but I don't think people have a "right to know" who's arresting them.

Moreover, imitators can impersonate masked law officers more easily. For the purpose of legal purposes, arresting officials are in power and can physically or sexually abuse those they arrest.

Bringing it back again -- if people who don't wear masks can abuse those they arrest, why the focus on removing masks? Why not focus on these abusive institutions?

[MichMan]

73. "Moreover, imitators can impersonate masked law officers more easily."

How?

If I have an interaction with a police officer, how would them not having a mask make it obvious to me they are or aren't an imposter?

I would have to somehow memorize the faces of every single police officer in order to know they are legitimate.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. What prosecutorial purposes?

[bluestarone]

17. Only if they assault someone, or kill someone.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

23. So the work they're doing -- kidnapping, incarcerating and deporting people who are here legally -- gets a pass? As long

as the mask is off?

[bluestarone]

25. Hell no. none of that get's a pass. (in my books) but

How do we do anything about it? We need a starting point. That's all i'm thinking.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. Getting them to take their masks off isn't a great starting point because it has a very clear ending point -- taking off

the masks -- that changes none of the behavior you want to change, which is why I always push back against it.

[bluestarone]

27. ok

[lame54]

31. They should be unmasked. Why are you arguing this

[WhiskeyGrinder]

37. Why should they be unmasked?

[lame54]

42. Because it reeks of secret police...

And empowers them to act outside their parameters
Like when those agents tried to steal food from the restaurant they raided
Cops don't wear mask and have badge numbers
It's for accountability

[WhiskeyGrinder]

45. How is ICE acting outside of its parameters, masked or unmasked?

[allegorical oracle]

51. I would add that personal property is a valid issue, too. Bashing out the

windows of your $80,000 car merely because you've refused to depart your safe space due to fear for your life, is adequate to press legal action.

[bluestarone]

54. Oh yea, for sure.

[Heidi]

15. Perhaps without masks they'd have navigate the public consequences

of their brutality. As individuals, they’re *actively* choosing their employer—they weren’t drafted; they applied for the job and by all reports are well compensated. Require them to show their faces, just as the rest of us must show our faces in public and bear the consequences. (Also, they should have no choice to turn off body cams. They’re OUR employees and we have every reason to expect to be able to monitor the on-the-job interactions of our armed employees.)

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. What public consequences?

[Heidi]

28. I'm not a fan of shunning

but if you think for one second one of those thugs deserve a warm hug at church, PTA, big family dinners, recognition in family/community e-mail/text groups (they’re not really private anymore), etc., I guess you’re a better person than I am. They signed up to be thugs so I’ll hit them (and those who support this brutality) closest to home. I’ve had to do it with my hateful, racist sister, so I can do it with people I don’t even know.

[tirebiter]

29. Elect Democrats back in charge. A Law and Oder liberal governance.

We know how to govern.

[lame54]

34. I want to see their smiling faces...

Is this good enough for you?

[Heidi]

50. Some people seem to thrive on sowing hopelessness.

It doesn’t work with me (or you, apparently).

[cbabe]

32. California is working on it

CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com › losangeles › news › california-legislature-bill-law-enforcement-face-coverings

California Legislature passes bill banning most law enforcement from ...

5 days agoLawmakers in California passed a bill on Thursday banning most local and federal law enforcement officers from covering their faces during

[SickOfTheOnePct]

35. Good luck to California...

...in trying to enforce it.

If something could be gained from unmasking them, I wish someone would tell me what it is.

[cbabe]

58. One step at a time. Unmask. Identify. Bagpipes on their sidewalk. Or something. It's the little things that add up.

For your viewing pleasure:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20640614

[SickOfTheOnePct]

59. And there it is

Thanks for an actual answer, i.e., you want them doxed.

I think the video you linked to is hilarious, and I support it 100%; it's in a public space, and something similar could be done to ICE agents whether they have their masks on or off.

But tracking down their personal information - where they live, where their spouse lives, where their kids go to school? Sorry, I don't support that.

[cbabe]

60. More noise

https://m.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

62. No problem with that either n/t

[B.See]

75. We think it's 1933 instead of 1860?

Please elaborate.

And welcome to DU.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

79. Reich wingers want to break up the country. DU members want Donnie "Hoover" tRump to not dump the country. nt

[Baitball Blogger]

36. I just saw a video of one of those goons stopping a car based on driving while looking latino.

The guy did not have a mask on. He had an over sprayed grayish fluff on the top of his head and a beard to match. Seemed to flaunt it.

The way he justified the stop based on "Trying to make America safe again," was despicable.

Point is, after seeing his face, I understand why they opt for masks.

[bluestarone]

41. LOL, true i'm sure that's true.

I just gotta wonder how Americans would take to ALL law enforcement, (police, hi-way patrol, sheriff and all deputies) decide to start wearing masks and no id badges?

[Timeflyer]

40. Consequences, and justice, may be slow in coming for these asswipes. but these thugs are being filmed.

Remember the Nuremberg Trials.

[bluestarone]

43. Gotta hope so

2026 is gonna be very interesting.

[allegorical oracle]

48. Early this a.m. with my first coffee, heard some ICE dude answering this question.

He was on MSNBC. He said "his" men had to wear masks because they are getting "thousands" of threats every day. Point being that if they can be recognized (by whom?) they would be endangered. (Sorry that I didn't catch his name.)

This is a matter that must be decided by the courts and/or Congress. Masked thugs breaking into homes and cars, or throwing protestors roughly to the ground must stop.

Call your Repug Senators -- especially in red states. Resistance only works if attacked at multiple levels and by many people.

[bluestarone]

52. Yea heard that excuse before as well. So, what if ALL law enforcers took same attitude?

Picture this for a second, driving down the Hi-way a hi-way patrol person MASKED, with NO ID comes to your door? Then picture every police, sheriff deputy sheriffs, and Federal police doing the same? SCARY huh?

[Heidi]

55. Big flippin' deal. Consequences are part of the job

these thugs signed up for. They weren’t drafted.

[cbabe]

63. Proof of threats?

[RobinA]

66. I Don't Get

the mask thing anyway. Is there an official reason? I mean, aren't these the same fucks that wouldn't wear masks during COVID because government wasn't going to tell them what to do?

[bluestarone]

67. Oh, i get it. They selfish assholes that were TOLD to wear masks.

I believe they were told to wear them, because most of them are the STAND BACK and STAND BY ASSHOLES (plus other gang types). These are the type of people that would turn in their mother and father during the hitler years.

[Emile]

71. Welcome to du.

[bluestarone]

72. Dam, i missed it.

[B.See]

76. I happen to think they should be not only unmasked

but carrying proper identity for the same reason why police officers are unmasked, have badges with numbers or other information identifying them as law enforcement, bodycams, and who disclose (usually) what people are being arrested for or charged with.

Whether or not it makes a difference in their behavior, or the ultimate outcome.

Not to mention reports of people being abducted by unidentified (people), for reasons often undisclosed, and even reports of assaults by masked individuals impersonating "law enforcement."

The possibilities for abuse and misuse are endless, we all know the shit storm that would be occurring if a Democratic adminstration pulled this,

and I find it hard to believe anyone would be defending it.

[bluestarone]

80. Agree 100%

Like i said before, just imagine if ALL law enforcers decided to start doing the same thing.

[sakabatou]

77. They see us as monsters.

I what I want to say... I wouldn't be allowed to. Not by DU's rules.

[Captain Zero]

78. Citizens arrest for kidnapping.

Take them to a magistrate judge.