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lostincalifornia

(4,929 posts)
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 06:04 AM Sep 2025

Winner of mRNA Nobel Prize says ACIP member's claim that Covid vaccines persist is "absolutely impossible

"On Thursday and Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention held a meeting of its Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, a key panel that gives the CDC’s director guidance about what vaccines to recommend to the public.

The panel, in the end, postponed its most controversial vote and made recommendations that seemed aimed at fostering doubts about the Covid-19 vaccines while still keeping them widely available. But some presenters and panelists raised concerns that the mRNA Covid vaccines – the ones made by Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech – may have unconfirmed safety issues.

In particular, Retsef Levi, who chairs ACIP’s working group on Covid vaccines, raised concerns that mRNA, the lipid nanoparticles they are encapsulated in, and the spike protein the vaccines produce may all persist and be widely distributed in the body. He also said they may provoke an immune response that is not understood and could even change the way the body reads its own genetic material. Moderna and Pfizer said that the claims were refuted by well-done studies that met global regulatory standards."

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"What these people do, is that they search, they find one paper or two papers that make an outlandish claim based on bad data that hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of other papers refute, they don’t mention everything that refutes it. They only mention, oh, look, I found a paper that says spike is around for nine months! It’s just not true."

https://www.statnews.com/2025/09/20/drew-weissman-nobel-prize-mrna-covid-vaccines-rebuts-retsef-levi-claims/

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Winner of mRNA Nobel Prize says ACIP member's claim that Covid vaccines persist is "absolutely impossible (Original Post) lostincalifornia Sep 2025 OP
You can't cite scientific facts to these morons. Gimpyknee Sep 2025 #1
weary poozwah Sep 2025 #3
+1. They are willfully ignorant and proud of it. dalton99a Sep 2025 #15
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As Trump has said publicly popsdenver Sep 2025 #24
Ironically, it's the COVID virus itself that "provokes an immune response that is not understood." yardwork Sep 2025 #2
Yes! That has always been so aggravating that these morons couldn't understand or didn't want to understand LymphocyteLover Sep 2025 #5
Also aggravating was so many thinking that we could go through a global pandemic killing travelingthrulife Sep 2025 #18
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what flavour pizza ? niyad Sep 2025 #7
I missed it! Did she mention me by name? yardwork Sep 2025 #20
No, she was doing her insane anti-covid vaccine rant. niyad Sep 2025 #21
Damn. I prefer the off-base personal attacks. yardwork Sep 2025 #25
Well, she did start off with "you're stupid", directed to the OP. niyad Sep 2025 #30
First post, huh? flvegan Sep 2025 #8
one of our resident trolls, no doubt. niyad Sep 2025 #11
No doubt BumRushDaShow Sep 2025 #13
But of course. Are we taking bets on how many times she shows up today? niyad Sep 2025 #16
First time today BumRushDaShow Sep 2025 #17
Goodness, I missed all of them! niyad Sep 2025 #19
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Apparently she came back, judging by the twe removals further downthread. niyad Sep 2025 #29
That was her 5th appearance today BumRushDaShow Sep 2025 #31
Geeeee, and I missed her. Wonder if I hurt her widdle fee fees? niyad Sep 2025 #32
That would have definitely been needed! BumRushDaShow Sep 2025 #34
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yawnnnnn. right on schedule niyad Sep 2025 #9
Bye Bye 👋 Celerity Sep 2025 #10
Exactly Rebl2 Sep 2025 #33
this administration uses the opposite of science for what they do. They have a pre-determined LymphocyteLover Sep 2025 #4
K&R UTUSN Sep 2025 #12
Kick dalton99a Sep 2025 #14
Unfortunately, markodochartaigh Sep 2025 #26
Who you gonna listen to? The Nobel Prize guy or the guy who picks up a dead bear and dumps it in Central Park? Midnight Writer Sep 2025 #27

poozwah

(393 posts)
3. weary
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 06:58 AM
Sep 2025

in spite of all the evidence showing the effectiveness of vaccines, they persist in supporting these theories which hinder the efforts of legitimate scientists. science, not sighence.

Response to dalton99a (Reply #15)

popsdenver

(1,639 posts)
24. As Trump has said publicly
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:00 PM
Sep 2025

time and time again................."I LOVE THE UN-EDUCATED VOTERS"

yardwork

(68,987 posts)
2. Ironically, it's the COVID virus itself that "provokes an immune response that is not understood."
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 06:53 AM
Sep 2025

These people are beyond stupid. They are criminally stupid. They have a profit motive.

LymphocyteLover

(9,409 posts)
5. Yes! That has always been so aggravating that these morons couldn't understand or didn't want to understand
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 06:59 AM
Sep 2025

that the virus infection was ALWAYS WAY worse than the vaccination.

travelingthrulife

(4,507 posts)
18. Also aggravating was so many thinking that we could go through a global pandemic killing
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 08:16 AM
Sep 2025

millions without any impact to our economy and personal lives.

Response to yardwork (Reply #2)

BumRushDaShow

(166,095 posts)
17. First time today
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 08:13 AM
Sep 2025

and twice yesterday, but 5 times the day before. It's a New Moon, so that impacts it too.

Response to niyad (Reply #19)

niyad

(129,793 posts)
32. Geeeee, and I missed her. Wonder if I hurt her widdle fee fees?
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 05:22 PM
Sep 2025

Seems fitting that I was actually out shopping for pest removal items!

Response to flvegan (Reply #8)

LymphocyteLover

(9,409 posts)
4. this administration uses the opposite of science for what they do. They have a pre-determined
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 06:58 AM
Sep 2025

conclusion and use any data possible even made up, to support it, while throwing out contradictory data.

markodochartaigh

(5,069 posts)
26. Unfortunately,
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:36 PM
Sep 2025

another way that the covid vaccines don't persist is in public availability. Here in Florida they were briefly available at CVS last week. By the time that I found out and tried to get an appointment they were pulled due to the state's regulations. Now neither Publix, CVS, nor Walgreens know when or if they will have them again.

Midnight Writer

(25,156 posts)
27. Who you gonna listen to? The Nobel Prize guy or the guy who picks up a dead bear and dumps it in Central Park?
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:01 PM
Sep 2025

If you are MAGA, you have to go with the dead bear guy or risk excommunication or worse.

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