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(93,449 posts)
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 08:42 AM Sep 2025

Award-winning Black screenwriter of 'The Bear,' pulled from a train & arrested after white woman objects to his presence

Alex O'Keefe, an award-winning Black screenwriter known for his work on FX's 'The Bear,' was recently detained by police after being pulled from an MTA train heading to Connecticut. The incident occurred when a white woman on board complained about O'Keefe's posture, leading to his arrest without even being questioned by the woman who reported him. The incident has sparked discussions about racial bias and the treatment of Black individuals in law enforcement. O'Keefe's experience reflects a troubling pattern of white individuals weaponizing the police system, driven by racial bias and the assumption that Black people are inherently criminal, even when the targets are law-abiding citizens. Black Enterprise

__According to a video posted to O’Keefe’s official Instagram account on Sept. 18, “I was arrested on the MTA train to Connecticut today, pulled off, handcuffed, and detained. An old white woman got on the train and immediately pointed at me and told me to correct how I was sitting. I refused, so she went to the conductor and complained. The conductor called the police and stopped the train. While waiting for the police to arrive, the old Karen’s friend said, ‘You’re not the minority anymore.'” O’Keefe does not indicate where he was traveling from to get to Connecticut.

Vesla Mae Weaver, a Bloomberg Distinguished Associate Professor of Political Science and Sociology at Johns Hopkins University and co-author of several books on race and democracy, noted in a 2018 Vox op-ed that white individuals repeatedly use the police as a personal security force because the tactic continues to be effective, a pattern reflected in O’Keefe’s experience.

“The breezy deployment of police by whites at Yale, at Starbucks, Walmart, and in other social spaces vividly reveals how white people use law enforcement to exert control over their fellow Black Americans…The Yale student (a white student who called the police on a napping Black student at the university in 2018) was not, as far as we know, attempting to thwart police from discovering her own wrongdoing,” Weaver wrote. “But her enlistment of police was racially strategic, meant to marshal existing stereotypes of Blacks to reconfigure her space and dispense with a Black person. It fits a societal algorithm that blackness itself is suspect.”

https://www.blackenterprise.com/alex-okeefe-screenwriter-pulled-train-karen/


His Instagram post includes four slides. The first slide is a video, where O’Keefe films law enforcement officers. In the video, he says, “You’re gonna arrest the one Black dude on the train, because this white woman said she didn’t like the way I was sitting on the train.”

In the video, he films a woman whom he points at. The woman is elderly and wearing a face mask.

“You call the police to arrest the one Black dude on the train,” he says in the video, adding, “I haven’t done anything illegal.”

In the caption of the Instagram post, he wrote:

“The police told me to leave the train, I refused and asked what was I doing illegally. They said I was disturbing the peace by not leaving the train. They pulled me off the train and arrested me without even talking to the Karen who reported the one black person on the train. On the platform, the police detained me and interrogated me. Only black folks stayed nearby and recorded the arrest. When I demanded a lawyer and reminded them they didn’t even take a statement from the woman who complained they eventually released me. This country is growing more psycho by the day. What will you do about it?”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-bear-writer-arrested-on-train-after-complaint-from-white-woman/ar-AA1N32W1


https://www.instagram.com/dotgov/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=cc7fa9a4-b521-44b3-85bf-e78c22597fbe



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Award-winning Black screenwriter of 'The Bear,' pulled from a train & arrested after white woman objects to his presence (Original Post) bigtree Sep 2025 OP
OMG ALBliberal Sep 2025 #1
Slouching while Black will get you arrested. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #2
Or "manspreading" ? dflprincess Sep 2025 #30
Oh I didn't think about that. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #37
sprawling, deliberately invading and encroaching other's space (especially in spaces such as this) stopdiggin Sep 2025 #45
The article suggested she wasn't sitting next to him IbogaProject Sep 2025 #51
I agree. We (I) got off on a little tangent stopdiggin Sep 2025 #56
He seems to have been on the seat in front of her. LisaM Sep 2025 #58
From what I have read Still Waters Sep 2025 #91
Maybe he was blocking the aisle? LisaM Sep 2025 #95
Sorry I wasn't able to open the article but MadameButterfly Sep 2025 #118
I have not seen it. But I don't use public transportation. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #67
Noting about sexual preoccupation - Ms. Toad Sep 2025 #65
Yes I was just tutored regarding this male aggressive practice. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #68
The worst was on a plane, Ms. Toad Sep 2025 #76
I have heard about this as a ploy. The man pretends to fall asleep Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #79
He was actually asleep or passed out. Ms. Toad Sep 2025 #84
Sounds like more than just booze. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #85
I wouldn't be surprised. Ms. Toad Sep 2025 #89
The FAs have seen it all I guess and it is common place and boring to them. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #90
I don't remember exactly why I didn't make a big loud fuss - Ms. Toad Sep 2025 #99
Oh yes I see. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #101
My first reaction, as well, based on his comment that she said something about not liking how he was sitting. Ms. Toad Sep 2025 #63
Who said that? MorbidButterflyTat Sep 2025 #81
Sometimes our lengthy lingams must be understood better. GreenWave Sep 2025 #116
Jim Crow................... Lovie777 Sep 2025 #3
I hope there is a lawsuit filed by O'Keefe against these thugs, which would include the MTA, and the bigoted lostincalifornia Sep 2025 #4
As soon as I saw the "MTA" identifier I was aw, crap another racist indident in my area. electric_blue68 Sep 2025 #114
What does MTA stand for? Where did the train ride start? raging moderate Sep 2025 #5
appears to be the Metro-North Railroad bigtree Sep 2025 #7
Thank you. raging moderate Sep 2025 #11
Metropolitan Transit Authority BronxBoy Sep 2025 #18
Metropolitan Transportation Authority Celerity Sep 2025 #25
I live for the day when it's the bigot who gets tossed off Warpy Sep 2025 #112
Stupid cops. Plus arrogant cops: you did not obey our authoriteh, so we arrested you. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2025 #6
Hope he files a lawsuit ASAP. dalton99a Sep 2025 #8
I hope he sues everyone involved Johonny Sep 2025 #9
How he was "sitting"? harumph Sep 2025 #10
He was facing her?? In short fuzzy video, seats are high so she couldn't see his lap. txwhitedove Sep 2025 #14
The elderly woman, the conductor, others should have Ilsa Sep 2025 #12
SMDH. n/t iluvtennis Sep 2025 #13
Sometimes people find it hard to understand why white women align themselves with white supremacy and/or patriarchy. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2025 #15
It also explains why a few minorities also align with those they perceive to have power. yardwork Sep 2025 #16
BINGO! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Sep 2025 #17
"Stop resisting!" IronLionZion Sep 2025 #19
This got me. Wow. underpants Sep 2025 #36
I am so ashamed of white people doing racist shit. Sue the pants off them. It's the only way to get through to them. jmbar2 Sep 2025 #20
She saw a black person and just didn't want him there in her sight/presence. Lars39 Sep 2025 #21
OMG Beringia Sep 2025 #22
Post removed Post removed Sep 2025 #23
Let's not use gendered slurs obamanut2012 Sep 2025 #27
Thank you. niyad Sep 2025 #54
Appalling and disgusting wolfie001 Sep 2025 #24
I agree wih everything but the term you used, hag. In current use, niyad Sep 2025 #31
Maybe DU can post a syllabus of offensive terms wolfie001 Sep 2025 #41
A syllabus of offensive terms, what a great idea! Abolishinist Sep 2025 #107
lol! wolfie001 Sep 2025 #108
Haven't watched any of the episodes, but it sounds good and won a number of awards. Abolishinist Sep 2025 #120
Oh thanks! Some stuff to check out here! wolfie001 Sep 2025 #121
Sue them. Sue every fucking one of them Joinfortmill Sep 2025 #26
That is so damn disturbing. chowder66 Sep 2025 #28
Video on youtube BlueWaveNeverEnd Sep 2025 #29
That woman probably has dementia. Hope22 Sep 2025 #39
Why would you make that assumption? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2025 #75
The look in her eyes... Hope22 Sep 2025 #83
That's quite a lot to draw out of a split second of footage. And either one doesn't explain away racism, or the fact WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2025 #86
That's a lot of defending a white woman who got a black man thrown off a train...for no reason. Hope22 Sep 2025 #98
You think I'm defending her? I'm saying she did what she did because she's a racist old white woman. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2025 #100
Okay, now I'm gonna sound like a Karen (and I hate that term!!!), but hear me out, please hamsterjill Sep 2025 #32
We also hate the term "Karen"... Number9Dream Sep 2025 #94
Agreed, but note that I was referring to the OP. hamsterjill Sep 2025 #97
The NYC subway system is under attack by Trump. yardwork Sep 2025 #117
This isn't something from history? This just happened??? niyad Sep 2025 #33
Sue the living shit out of everyone AverageOldGuy Sep 2025 #34
They didn't even communicate with the woman so they probably don't have her name. live love laugh Sep 2025 #66
He should sue the MTA for racial harassment...riding a train while black. patphil Sep 2025 #35
Too bad no Karen photos.. Hope22 Sep 2025 #38
It is on the cops as well exboyfil Sep 2025 #43
Agree.... Hope22 Sep 2025 #48
Yes the rep would have to trespass him exboyfil Sep 2025 #50
I have witnessed a train employee tell officers to all but piss off. Hope22 Sep 2025 #88
I'd love to know specifically WHAT Police Dept. was involved Totally Tunsie Sep 2025 #40
The other white woman (police officer) vanlassie Sep 2025 #53
With apologies, vanlassie, I'm not understanding your reply Totally Tunsie Sep 2025 #64
I can't recall but I imagine I made a mistake. Sorry. vanlassie Sep 2025 #78
Relax and enjoy your evening. Totally Tunsie Sep 2025 #109
You too. vanlassie Sep 2025 #113
Should be sent it to Audit the Audit, Lackluster, and The Civil Rights Attorney exboyfil Sep 2025 #42
RAS? niyad Sep 2025 #55
Reasonable Articulable Suspicion exboyfil Sep 2025 #61
Thank you. That is not exactly a common acronym. niyad Sep 2025 #103
As I've ranted on Threads JustAnotherGen Sep 2025 #44
Posture? Lulu KC Sep 2025 #46
I would like to see a pic of how he's sitting Bayard Sep 2025 #104
The description is now out there Lulu KC Sep 2025 #122
Did she ask him to move, or was she too afraid of his blackness? Bayard Sep 2025 #123
Here's the story I read Lulu KC Sep 2025 #124
OMG. We have to turn this around, and fast. pandr32 Sep 2025 #47
Sue the pants off of them!!! Coventina Sep 2025 #49
Either EVERYONE goes out into the streets.. 1WorldHope Sep 2025 #52
Seems racist to me. Americanme Sep 2025 #57
What do the police reports say? Sneederbunk Sep 2025 #59
That woman should be arrested Quanto Magnus Sep 2025 #60
Sorry Karen, I'm not your Pullman porter anymore. cbabe Sep 2025 #62
Party like it's 1955 again. Oh wait, it's 2025 and the rotted corpse of Jim Crow has risen from its grave... Hekate Sep 2025 #69
1953 again. Celerity Sep 2025 #71
55 to 25 rhymes visually Hekate Sep 2025 #87
They should need more probable cause to detain someone AdamGG Sep 2025 #70
He's a writer on a popular show Figarosmom Sep 2025 #72
My youngest son was a grad student at Yale mnhtnbb Sep 2025 #73
If the racists of America don't stop what they're doing Buddyzbuddy Sep 2025 #74
That's insane. Arrested for poor posture?????????????????? Vinca Sep 2025 #77
I'm so sorry, Alex O'Keefe. ... littlemissmartypants Sep 2025 #80
So disgusting. highplainsdem Sep 2025 #82
Someone should tell John Roberts!!! Grins Sep 2025 #92
"Henry Louis Gates Jr." Act I, Scene 2. NM Grins Sep 2025 #93
I hope he informed the cops and old Karen Hassler Sep 2025 #96
That whole thing escalated into 'stupidland' needlessly 70sEraVet Sep 2025 #102
Maybe O'Keefe should find out who the white lady is and sue her for a couple million. n/t PatrickforB Sep 2025 #105
WTF?!! (have errands to run, be back later) electric_blue68 Sep 2025 #106
As noted upthread - Prof. Henry Louis Gates, Jr. 16 years ago BumRushDaShow Sep 2025 #110
His Posture?! His Sitting?!! As before...WTF?!! electric_blue68 Sep 2025 #111
Re-reading and seeing the vid... electric_blue68 Sep 2025 #115
NBC/AP article: sl8 Sep 2025 #119
Looks like he broke the rules and behaved like a jerk gulliver Sep 2025 #126
Chilling. ck4829 Sep 2025 #125
Someone has likely said this already but MuseRider Sep 2025 #127

dflprincess

(29,186 posts)
30. Or "manspreading" ?
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:16 AM
Sep 2025

Which is annoying and rude but not illegal. I can't believe this woman and the conductor really shocks me.

Irish_Dem

(80,016 posts)
37. Oh I didn't think about that.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:37 AM
Sep 2025

This is how many men sit these days.
I don’t care how they sit.
The old lady must be sexually preoccupied.

stopdiggin

(15,068 posts)
45. sprawling, deliberately invading and encroaching other's space (especially in spaces such as this)
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:58 AM
Sep 2025

Last edited Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:41 AM - Edit history (1)

is thinly disguised aggression. I haven't (personally) seen anybody arrested for it - but I have seen where offenders get some shoves and pointed push-back (as gentle reminder of 'manners') - but almost exclusively when the correction is coming from a fitter (and more dominant?) male. (which serves to illustrate something of the dynamic happening)

But it's crap behavior - and let's not play the game of pretending we don't know about it.

IbogaProject

(5,639 posts)
51. The article suggested she wasn't sitting next to him
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:10 AM
Sep 2025

Yes taking up excessive space is annoying but on that train it would have only been an issue if it was crowded.

stopdiggin

(15,068 posts)
56. I agree. We (I) got off on a little tangent
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:38 AM
Sep 2025

in response to another post, that may not have reflected the situation the OP was addressing.
But - personal experience with boorish (and what I contend, deliberately invasive and offensive) behavior - in my words 'thinly disguised aggression' - led to my posting.

let's not pretend ... like we don't know ...

Now - somebody calling the cops .... Takes us in a different direction.

LisaM

(29,503 posts)
58. He seems to have been on the seat in front of her.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:46 AM
Sep 2025

And there were plenty of seats, so manspreading (I agree, rude and aggressive) couldn't have been the issue either.

I'm guessing he was slouching and maybe appeared to be sleeping? People get on our light rail in Seattle and sleep but I wouldn't call the police. I wish the other passengers would have spoken up.

My mom doesn't like when people wear baseball hats in restaurants and has been known to scold total strangers for it (till my sister said she wasn't going out to dinner with her again until she stopped). Who knows what the woman saw or wanted. It's upsetting. I don't blame him for being so vocal, it was smart because it helped document what was taking place.

LisaM

(29,503 posts)
95. Maybe he was blocking the aisle?
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:11 PM
Sep 2025

I can see asking him not to do that (if he was), but if it was all on the same seat, I don't see how there is an issue. I often take up two seats if I have groceries (unless the car is full). The seats on the Seattle light rail are small and uncomfortable.

MadameButterfly

(3,777 posts)
118. Sorry I wasn't able to open the article but
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 07:41 AM
Sep 2025

there is a lot of discussion here about what he MIGHT have been doing. We really don't know unless the above article explains, and it appears he wasn't sitting close enough to affect her personally. I'm guessing the arrest wouldn't have happened to a White person. And we wouldn't be hearing abaout this if he wasn't an accomplished person with some clout to speak out.

If she really said "You aren't the minority anymore," then we know this was about race.

Not really about how he was sitting.

Irish_Dem

(80,016 posts)
67. I have not seen it. But I don't use public transportation.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:35 PM
Sep 2025

And not sitting around young males.

So their legs are sprawled out, touching the women next to them?

Yes I agree that is not OK.

Ms. Toad

(38,345 posts)
65. Noting about sexual preoccupation -
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:10 PM
Sep 2025

It is the invasion of space. Way more than once, I've had to sit in an uncomfortably small space (trains, buses, and planes are the worst) because some man insists in taking my space with his "manspread" legs.

(Or, not quite as bad, a man uses this tactic to prevent someone from sitting next to him - forcing me to stand or sit in a different (often less comfortable) seat.)

Irish_Dem

(80,016 posts)
68. Yes I was just tutored regarding this male aggressive practice.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:38 PM
Sep 2025

I have not witnessed or experienced this behavior.
But I would not like it one bit.

Some men like to take up all the space.
And intimidate others.

Ms. Toad

(38,345 posts)
76. The worst was on a plane,
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 01:40 PM
Sep 2025

I had the window seat, and a manspreader was in the middle seat, then near the end of the flight he fell asleep and toppled over on me. I could not wake him, or get the attention of the flight attendant. I actually had to crawl out over the top of the seat in front of me. Not fun.

Irish_Dem

(80,016 posts)
79. I have heard about this as a ploy. The man pretends to fall asleep
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 01:54 PM
Sep 2025

or be passed out from too much booze. Uses it as an excuse to drape themeless
all over the women next to them. Sometimes it gets much worse.

Wow that is awful. You were trapped.
What if there had been an emergency.
Or were not able to crawl over the seat in front of you.

I would have started yelling for help I think.

Ms. Toad

(38,345 posts)
84. He was actually asleep or passed out.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 02:43 PM
Sep 2025

When I crawled over the seat in front of me, he flopped over completely - still out.

The looks on the face of the flight attendants when they realized I was trying to get their attention because of him would have been priceless - had it not been for the potential for danger.

If he had tried anything, I'd have stood up and tossed him over onto the person in the aisle seat (or the aisle - it is possible it was only two seats across)

Irish_Dem

(80,016 posts)
85. Sounds like more than just booze.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 02:50 PM
Sep 2025

Wonder if he also taken some downers or ambien to sleep on the plane.

He posed a safety threat to passengers and crew.
You were trapped in the event of an emergency and the crew would have
been diverted from their crisis duties trying maneuver around
the man or wake him up.

Ms. Toad

(38,345 posts)
89. I wouldn't be surprised.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:33 PM
Sep 2025

And agreed as to the safety issues. It is one of the more bizarre situations I've encountered - I was quite surprised that none of the flight attendants who passed by when I tried to get their attention were at all interested in what was going on. What wasn't clear until I crawled out and informed them they had a passenger who was passed out was that they hadn't interfered because they believed we were together.

Irish_Dem

(80,016 posts)
90. The FAs have seen it all I guess and it is common place and boring to them.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:42 PM
Sep 2025

Passengers tanked up on booze and drugs acting out or passed out.
They put everyone on ignore perhaps.

The lesson here is make more noise.
Say loudly "I need help."

And asked to be moved to another seat.
They can ask a big male passenger to take your place.

I once read a story, I may get the facts someone wrong but the gist
is that a woman and child POC were being harassed by the man sitting next to
them on a long flight.

He was a big guy calling them names and being aggressive. Other passengers
complained and since there were no seats available the FAs explained the situatin
and asked for male volunteers to switch places.

The funny and satisfying part is that two huge male bruisers were glad to help and sat
on either side of the abuser. And made it clear he needed to shut his pie hole.
The guy was quiet for the rest of the flight. The mother was so grateful.

Ms. Toad

(38,345 posts)
99. I don't remember exactly why I didn't make a big loud fuss -
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:35 PM
Sep 2025

I know there was a reason. He was a black male - and I suspect part of it was that I didn't feel threatened - just annoyed, and I was likely more concerned about how they might treat him. Once the flight attendants started looking the other way when I tried to get their attention without making a big scene, I was interested in what it would take for them to recognize something wasn't right. It was also a relatively short flight (I think under an hour.) Had I felt threatened - or had I felt he was in medical danger - it would have been a different story.



Irish_Dem

(80,016 posts)
101. Oh yes I see.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:45 PM
Sep 2025

The situation was a bit more complicated.

And the FAs were also obviously ignoring you and didn't want to deal with it
on a short flight. Not worth the hassle.

Yes and you didn't feel in danger.

I would have ignored it on a short flight too.

But I am an Air Force kid and alert to in flight safety issues.
And this was a safety issue whether you felt threatened or not.
You were blocked from emergency evacuation.

And seated next to someone who appeared unconscious.

But short flight, it all sorts itself out quickly.

Ms. Toad

(38,345 posts)
63. My first reaction, as well, based on his comment that she said something about not liking how he was sitting.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:07 PM
Sep 2025

It doesn't justify arrest. But, I've been the victim of ordinary manspreading - being forced to squeeze into an already too-small space on a plane or train because a man (it always is) refuses to pull his legs out of my space.

lostincalifornia

(4,929 posts)
4. I hope there is a lawsuit filed by O'Keefe against these thugs, which would include the MTA, and the bigoted
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 08:51 AM
Sep 2025

jackass woman who started this garbage.


raging moderate

(4,604 posts)
5. What does MTA stand for? Where did the train ride start?
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 08:57 AM
Sep 2025

I live in Maryland. I want to know if the state of Maryland was involved in this.

bigtree

(93,449 posts)
7. appears to be the Metro-North Railroad
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:02 AM
Sep 2025

Metro-North serves customers throughout New York and Connecticut on our Harlem, Hudson, New Haven, Port Jervis, and Pascack Valley lines.

https://www.mta.info/agency/metro-north-railroad

Warpy

(114,413 posts)
112. I live for the day when it's the bigot who gets tossed off
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 08:59 PM
Sep 2025

I've been waiting my whole life for that.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
6. Stupid cops. Plus arrogant cops: you did not obey our authoriteh, so we arrested you. . . . .nt
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:02 AM
Sep 2025

harumph

(3,115 posts)
10. How he was "sitting"?
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:06 AM
Sep 2025

Was he sitting on a basket of baby chicks? I mean what possible sitting posture could
prompt this? Oh, I get it - he was sitting while black.

Ilsa

(63,883 posts)
12. The elderly woman, the conductor, others should have
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:17 AM
Sep 2025

been arrested for disturbing the peace with their vile conduct.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,450 posts)
15. Sometimes people find it hard to understand why white women align themselves with white supremacy and/or patriarchy.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:28 AM
Sep 2025

This is why.

yardwork

(68,987 posts)
16. It also explains why a few minorities also align with those they perceive to have power.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:35 AM
Sep 2025

Incidents like this serve several purposes in amplifying racist power structures. One purpose is to remind all other Black men that they are vulnerable and ought to play along or else.

It's really reprehensible and reflects the worst impulses in people.

underpants

(195,096 posts)
36. This got me. Wow.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:32 AM
Sep 2025

The police told me to leave the train, I refused and asked what was I doing illegally. They said I was disturbing the peace by not leaving the train.

jmbar2

(7,681 posts)
20. I am so ashamed of white people doing racist shit. Sue the pants off them. It's the only way to get through to them.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:52 AM
Sep 2025

Reminds me of the heartbreaking story of when Ella Fitzgerald and Dizzy got arrested for PERFORMING for WIPEPO. Heartsick that this is still happening.


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Lars39

(26,498 posts)
21. She saw a black person and just didn't want him there in her sight/presence.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 09:54 AM
Sep 2025

The man wasn’t doing anything wrong. She’s despicable, and so are those cops.

Response to bigtree (Original post)

wolfie001

(7,159 posts)
24. Appalling and disgusting
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:03 AM
Sep 2025

I'd love to see that old hag outed and made very uncomfortable. Maybe TizzyEnt and Danesh will take up the case! Embarrass that local police force.

niyad

(129,793 posts)
31. I agree wih everything but the term you used, hag. In current use,
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:21 AM
Sep 2025

misogynistic. Look up "hag" in wiki.

wolfie001

(7,159 posts)
41. Maybe DU can post a syllabus of offensive terms
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:50 AM
Sep 2025
I use many terms when the "feelings are there." I guess "old battle-axe" would also be wrong. How 'bout harridan? I always liked that one. From the late Middle Ages?, I'm sure. Anyhoo, I will take note.

Abolishinist

(2,891 posts)
107. A syllabus of offensive terms, what a great idea!
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 06:39 PM
Sep 2025

It's just too bad we're not able to run it by Lenny Bruce and George Carlin first.

wolfie001

(7,159 posts)
108. lol!
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 06:52 PM
Sep 2025

Did you see 'The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel'? I saw like the first 2 seasons and one of her encounters and mentors was with Lenny Bruce! Really was a great show.

Abolishinist

(2,891 posts)
120. Haven't watched any of the episodes, but it sounds good and won a number of awards.
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 01:47 PM
Sep 2025

As I recall we were going to watch it a while back and something else took over. I'll put this on our 'possiblities' list. Thanks!

But now, for some reason I feel like rewatching The Blair Witch Project, Hocus Pocus, and The Witches of Eastwick. I also bumped into Häxan, which is a 1922 Swedish Danish silent film which could be fun. Free on YouTube, search for häxan 1922 full movie. I posted a link but it gets disabled when transferred to DU.

Hope22

(4,486 posts)
39. That woman probably has dementia.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:43 AM
Sep 2025

She is either frightened for the trouble she caused or not all there. I hope she gets sued big time! This is disgraceful. Next up young women not acting lady like hauled off to jail for god knows what.

Hope22

(4,486 posts)
83. The look in her eyes...
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 02:38 PM
Sep 2025

Just saying, she’s either startled at the ruckus she caused….or has a problem. I’ve seen that look before in my elders. Not trying to be rude but I did give two options.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,450 posts)
86. That's quite a lot to draw out of a split second of footage. And either one doesn't explain away racism, or the fact
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:14 PM
Sep 2025

that no one else spoke up for O'Keefe.

Hope22

(4,486 posts)
98. That's a lot of defending a white woman who got a black man thrown off a train...for no reason.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:33 PM
Sep 2025

Destroyed his day and needless to say his navigating this screwed up country. Yup, I’ll apologize to her when he gets justice. Like I said I gave two options. You choose or invent your own. I’m out.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,450 posts)
100. You think I'm defending her? I'm saying she did what she did because she's a racist old white woman.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:35 PM
Sep 2025

hamsterjill

(17,094 posts)
32. Okay, now I'm gonna sound like a Karen (and I hate that term!!!), but hear me out, please
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:21 AM
Sep 2025

I'm always wary of videos like this because they never show the before and after. I've seen plenty on social media that claim to "prove" something, and when you watch the actual video, it doesn't give the whole story. Then you read the news later and it's a whole different story than what's in the video. But here...

But what in the hell could he have been doing to that woman??? I mean, I thought maybe he was slouched and blocking the aisle or something. But her seat is behind his and isn't even part of the same set of seats.

It's absurd that he isn't being told WHY he's being arrested and detained. That's the part that really bothers me. The police can just grab someone on a train, put them in handcuffs and take them off without an explanation? Every law enforcement office now thinks they can behave like ICE and get away with it?

Number9Dream

(1,851 posts)
94. We also hate the term "Karen"...
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:54 PM
Sep 2025

We know two Karens. One is a veterinary technician, the other a retired high school teacher. They are two of the nicest people.
Please stop using that term.

hamsterjill

(17,094 posts)
97. Agreed, but note that I was referring to the OP.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:32 PM
Sep 2025

Mr. O'Keefe uses the term in his Instagram post that is appended in the OP. So tell that to him.

yardwork

(68,987 posts)
117. The NYC subway system is under attack by Trump.
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 07:25 AM
Sep 2025

Trump and his minions keep saying that it's dangerous to ride the subway. I expect the local authorities are hypersensitive about any appearance of "crime.'

In this case it was an older white woman who apparently said she felt unsafe or something, and we see the racist response.

Trump encourages the worst behavior in everyone.

AverageOldGuy

(3,384 posts)
34. Sue the living shit out of everyone
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:24 AM
Sep 2025

The woman
Train
Cops

Go to the newspapers and TV

Marches and protests

And then really get serious

Hope22

(4,486 posts)
38. Too bad no Karen photos..
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:38 AM
Sep 2025

The only way to stop this is shining the light! This is disgraceful. In 2009 officers with dogs boarded trains in Grand Junction, CO and Salt Lake and looked up brown people to inspect papers. The train employee, not sure if he was engineer or what cornered the officers on board and told them to stop targeting his passengers. He said the same passengers had been inspected/ targeted in AZ. The officers even walked across the top of the cars with the dogs. It was stomach churning. My heart goes out to non whites and women. We are truly f-ed!

exboyfil

(18,343 posts)
43. It is on the cops as well
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:52 AM
Sep 2025

They had no RAS let alone probable cause to remove him from the train.

Hope22

(4,486 posts)
48. Agree....
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:03 AM
Sep 2025

…that and I didn’t see a train representative there. They will most certainly be involved in the fallout. With any luck video will surface of what the infraction looked like!

exboyfil

(18,343 posts)
50. Yes the rep would have to trespass him
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:06 AM
Sep 2025

To get him off the train, and they better have a pretty good reason for such a trespass order to remove him from a public accommodation like a train operated by the government. Even then he needs to be notified that he is being trespassed and given the opportunity to exit the train without being detained.

Hope22

(4,486 posts)
88. I have witnessed a train employee tell officers to all but piss off.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:18 PM
Sep 2025

The officer backed down too.

Totally Tunsie

(11,602 posts)
40. I'd love to know specifically WHAT Police Dept. was involved
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:44 AM
Sep 2025

and at which MTA station the train was actually stopped.

Inquiring minds want to know!

vanlassie

(6,222 posts)
53. The other white woman (police officer)
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:15 AM
Sep 2025

was l, way way out of line. She came in hot. Sue them.

Totally Tunsie

(11,602 posts)
64. With apologies, vanlassie, I'm not understanding your reply
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:08 PM
Sep 2025

or how it relates to my questions. Clarify?

exboyfil

(18,343 posts)
42. Should be sent it to Audit the Audit, Lackluster, and The Civil Rights Attorney
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:51 AM
Sep 2025

That will get eyeballs on it.

No RAS for a detention and this was more than a detention. By removing him from the train, that was an arrest which requires probable cause.

He should get himself a lawyer.

JustAnotherGen

(37,618 posts)
44. As I've ranted on Threads
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 10:52 AM
Sep 2025

It matters who that mean old you know what is. She needs to pay the price of public shaming for her 'Miss Anne' behavior. Guarantee that's not the first time she's White Supremacisted up around non-white people.

Those people never change. The American White Supremacist has been the same since 1619.

They never change.

Bayard

(28,718 posts)
104. I would like to see a pic of how he's sitting
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 05:23 PM
Sep 2025

I can't imagine anything in that context that would be offensive, unless he wasn't wearing pants.

On a side note--I love that movie!

Lulu KC

(8,532 posts)
122. The description is now out there
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 02:11 PM
Sep 2025

(If only I could remember where I saw it--The Guardian? NYT?) He was sitting with his legs up, using two seats to stretch out. Okay, against the rules, blah blah but hardly worthy of an arrest! Handcuffs!? Etc.?

Argh.

1WorldHope

(1,868 posts)
52. Either EVERYONE goes out into the streets..
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:14 AM
Sep 2025

... or this country is going back to the 50's. The politicians are waiting for us to complain loud enough and big enough so they have the fortitude to stand up for us.
There is not enough dissent.
I join the white hairs 3 days a week to protest. I don't think anyone is afraid of us. I am losing all hope. What the fuck is it going to take to get people in the streets like they do in France and other countries?

Americanme

(384 posts)
57. Seems racist to me.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:45 AM
Sep 2025

When the woman complained to the conductor, the conductor should have told her the man was doing nothing wrong. When the conductor called the police, the police should have said the man was doing nothing wrong. This is insane.

Hekate

(100,132 posts)
69. Party like it's 1955 again. Oh wait, it's 2025 and the rotted corpse of Jim Crow has risen from its grave...
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:47 PM
Sep 2025
Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch.

Celerity

(53,778 posts)
71. 1953 again.
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:53 PM
Sep 2025
Brown v. Board of Education

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education

Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, 347 U.S. 483 (1954), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court which ruled that U.S. state laws establishing racial segregation in public schools violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and hence are unconstitutional, even if the segregated facilities are presumed to be equal. The decision partially overruled the Court's 1896 decision Plessy v. Ferguson, which had held that racial segregation laws did not violate the U.S. Constitution as long as the facilities for each race were equal in quality, a doctrine that had come to be known as "separate but equal" and was rejected in Brown based on the argument that separate facilities are inherently unequal. The Court's unanimous decision in Brown and its related cases paved the way for integration and was a major victory of the civil rights movement, and a model for many future impact litigation cases.

Hekate

(100,132 posts)
87. 55 to 25 rhymes visually
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 03:15 PM
Sep 2025

I originally wrote 1954, but went for what I went for. Also, I am an old lady who actually remembers what happened after Brown vs Board of Education, and it was ugly as sin.

AdamGG

(1,866 posts)
70. They should need more probable cause to detain someone
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 12:48 PM
Sep 2025

than their posture while sitting on the subway. What if you were on your way to an important appointment and then you had to waste your time with this bullshit.

mnhtnbb

(33,148 posts)
73. My youngest son was a grad student at Yale
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 01:05 PM
Sep 2025

and I rode the MTA back and forth from Manhattan to visit him several times while he was working toward his Master's and then Doctorate. I never encountered any issues with racism when on those trains. I never heard any stories from him, either, in all the time he and classmates would go into the city riding the MTA.
WTF has gotten in to people?

Buddyzbuddy

(2,169 posts)
74. If the racists of America don't stop what they're doing
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 01:19 PM
Sep 2025
they're going to get the minorities they fear.

It will then become too late to regret their actions.

Hassler

(4,778 posts)
96. I hope he informed the cops and old Karen
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 04:18 PM
Sep 2025

They would all feature prominently in a future script he'd be writing.

70sEraVet

(5,266 posts)
102. That whole thing escalated into 'stupidland' needlessly
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 05:06 PM
Sep 2025

"....so she went to the conductor and complained. The conductor called the police and stopped the train."
The conductor should have just moved the woman to a different seat. Calling the police, stopping the train (the trains don't run on time if a black man isn't sitting up straight?) was all unnecessary.
Yeah, the police's solution is to arrest someone. Or to shoot them. Luckily, THAT didn't happen.

PatrickforB

(15,353 posts)
105. Maybe O'Keefe should find out who the white lady is and sue her for a couple million. n/t
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 05:29 PM
Sep 2025

electric_blue68

(26,040 posts)
111. His Posture?! His Sitting?!! As before...WTF?!!
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 08:05 PM
Sep 2025

"You're disturbing the peace by being on the train" bc one pissy white woman complained for no reason ?
Arrggggg!!!

No one else complained. And they didn't even talk to her. 😑

Oh, Mr. O'Keefe, I'm sorry you had to endure yet another abuse living while Black.
Feck!

I remember that napping Black student incident

electric_blue68

(26,040 posts)
115. Re-reading and seeing the vid...
Mon Sep 22, 2025, 11:56 PM
Sep 2025

So we don't know whether she came in through the entrance/exit by her seat. Ot she came from the the other end of the car, and passed by Mr O'Keefe. More likely the close by entrance.

To the dementia comment - she had enough presence of mind to go get a conductor! (Who probably should of told her to let it be)

She's in the end of the car double facing seats in the set closest to the exit so she's not even next to him, or in front of him in the next seat. If he happened to have his leg sticking out in the aisle it's still no reason to be arrested, and would really be rude only if he didn't pull it in when someone heading one way or the other wants to get by.

Of course, she could be so racist that she was upset he was facing in her direction. Seems like there might have been other seats available.

I guess we'll see if more info emerges. Hoping Mr O'Keefe will get a good lawyer. Just wow.

sl8

(17,016 posts)
119. NBC/AP article:
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 08:13 AM
Sep 2025
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/onetime-writer-fx-bear-taken-nyc-train-handcuffs-rcna233095

Onetime writer for FX's 'The Bear' taken off NYC train in handcuffs

Alex O'Keefe, 31, won a 2023 Writers Guild Award with other writers as "The Bear" was named best comedy series.

Sept. 22, 2025, 9:08 PM EDT / Source: The Associated Press
By The Associated Press

A onetime writer for FX's hit show "The Bear" was taken off a New York City commuter train in handcuffs in a dispute over how he was sitting — an incident he recorded in a video shared widely on social media.

Alex O'Keefe, who is Black, said in an Instagram post that he was headed to Connecticut on a Metro-North train Thursday when he was removed by police after a white woman complained to a conductor about the way he was sitting.

Responding to questions about O'Keefe's video, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority said security video showed he had been sitting with both legs stretched across an adjacent seat — a violation of the rail line's rules. The MTA said a conductor called police after the passenger refused to move his legs.

Police briefly held the train at a station in the Bronx around 10:30 a.m. The MTA said officers handcuffed O'Keefe after he refused to exit the train. O'Keefe recorded part of the interaction.

[..._]

gulliver

(13,736 posts)
126. Looks like he broke the rules and behaved like a jerk
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 12:24 PM
Sep 2025

Now, was he breaking the rules and behaving like a jerk (by not moving his feet) before or after somebody provoked this behavior from him? I'll wait for the evidence.

But I want to know why he didn't move his feet. I'm for obeying rules, especially when the elderly are involved.

Not obeying rules, and not standing up for people standing up for rules hurts the reputation of the person who didn't obey the rules and the reputation of any group that tolerates it.

MuseRider

(35,140 posts)
127. Someone has likely said this already but
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 02:32 PM
Sep 2025

I just got home and have not had all the time to read through so.....if a repeat I think it should be something we think about every day anywway. Never should we let a single person be taken by police without a witness or someone who just says whatever they need to say to keep by the side of the person being taken away. I am dumbfounded at how this action seems to be coming more and more common. I don't care who you are, if I witnessed I will get to you somehow. GOD this pisses me off to no end. We are all at risk but it is surely being directed to single groups of people.

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