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B.See

(7,860 posts)
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 09:43 PM Sep 2025

Trump awakened an angry sleeping giant this week -- and he's about to roar

Reich touches on something I wrote the other day. About how Trump keeps pushing, and pushing, and....

Trump awakened an angry sleeping giant this week — and he's about to roar - by Robert Reich. Alternet via MSN

Friends, I can’t tell you exactly when the tipping point will occur — when elected Republicans will rebel against him, or when his dementia becomes so apparent he’s forced to resign, or when so much of the nation rises up against his dictatorship that he’s impeached and convicted of high crimes — but we’re getting closer.

As I said a few days ago, I’ve been in and around politics for 60 years and have developed a sixth sense about the slumbering giant of America. That giant is now stirring. He about to stand. He’s angry. Soon he will roar.

Your activism is working.

Be strong. Be safe. Hug your loved ones. We’ll get through this.



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Trump awakened an angry sleeping giant this week -- and he's about to roar (Original Post) B.See Sep 2025 OP
Don't expect the rat republicans to step up or for TACO to resign..... Bread and Circuses Sep 2025 #1
I agree it's highly unlikely, unless B.See Sep 2025 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author yourout Sep 2025 #4
Are you sure the sleeping Giant is a 'He' ? Nictuku Sep 2025 #3
Good question. B.See Sep 2025 #8
That was my reaction when I saw it recently. Very disappointed in Reich niyad Sep 2025 #10
When you've "been around politics for 60 years" BaronChocula Sep 2025 #12
I have been an activist for about that long, and I do not speak in niyad Sep 2025 #13
I wasn't looking to excuse Robert Reich BaronChocula Sep 2025 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author MadameButterfly Sep 2025 #22
Understood. niyad Sep 2025 #25
Hey, his article is about the existential threat to democracy and we're getting worked up over MadameButterfly Sep 2025 #24
Some people are capable of both understanding his post, agreeing niyad Sep 2025 #27
and you weren't telling me what to pay attention to? MadameButterfly Sep 2025 #34
Misogyny Cirsium Sep 2025 #35
Both sides-ism is one of their techniques MadameButterfly Sep 2025 #38
It is? Cirsium Sep 2025 #52
I am not the one who specifically said not to. . . but do keep trying. It is niyad Sep 2025 #40
Agree 100% Glen Livid Sep 2025 #51
I think I see the Irony here. BurnDoubt Sep 2025 #41
Very well said! Abolishinist Sep 2025 #42
Thank you oasis Sep 2025 #28
Yup Fiendish Thingy Sep 2025 #5
I'm not confident that elected Republicans will turn on Trump anytime soon. Gimpyknee Sep 2025 #6
I'm with you RainCaster Sep 2025 #7
Marjorie dingbat has been turning on him a bit lately. Lucky Luciano Sep 2025 #11
I agree Skittles Sep 2025 #18
Der Dingleberry is their sock puppet... IthinkThereforeIAM Sep 2025 #53
repukes always overreach, they cannot help themselves Skittles Sep 2025 #9
Yup, they'll overreach. You can count on it. oasis Sep 2025 #15
In "normal" times (is that even a thing now...is that gone for good?)... NCDem47 Sep 2025 #29
Im feeling it to. Reich is onto something SSJVegeta Sep 2025 #14
I think so. Exactly WHAT remains to be seen. B.See Sep 2025 #36
There's somethin' happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.... TheRickles Sep 2025 #39
Right. And B.See Sep 2025 #43
Theres (even!) A man with a gun over there SSJVegeta Sep 2025 #45
(Must be talkin' bout Chicao!) WestMichRad Sep 2025 #47
I think it's time we stop children, what's that sound? SSJVegeta Sep 2025 #49
Right. Only Trump's gun B.See Sep 2025 #50
Release the Epstein files. Iggo Sep 2025 #17
I totally agree with Robert Reich ReRe Sep 2025 #19
I'm betting on the dementia. betsuni Sep 2025 #20
In the meantime, gerrymandering continues. Emile Sep 2025 #21
Please, someone educate me and talk me off a ledge NCDem47 Sep 2025 #31
Post removed Post removed Sep 2025 #23
I love the positivity, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2025 #26
Robert Reich is a good man. Passages Sep 2025 #30
Right now, Trump's the only one who can keep his MAGA based focused and primed to do his bidding. patphil Sep 2025 #32
I have the same feeling but... Mr. Mustard 2023 Sep 2025 #33
My opinion...The elected Trump base will do anything, including following him into the grave, Scalded Nun Sep 2025 #37
I see same thing and don't expect anything to change Tree Lady Sep 2025 #44
I fear this too WestMichRad Sep 2025 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author AKwannabe Sep 2025 #46

B.See

(7,860 posts)
2. I agree it's highly unlikely, unless
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 09:58 PM
Sep 2025

it get to the point where they grow tired of getting run out of their own town halls and decide it's either him or them.

Response to Bread and Circuses (Reply #1)

Nictuku

(4,578 posts)
3. Are you sure the sleeping Giant is a 'He' ?
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 09:58 PM
Sep 2025

Not wanting to stir sh*t or anything, really. It just struck me that way when I read it. I agree, but somehow I want to include women in this uprising. Seems like we have quite a few females who are fighting the good fight.

B.See

(7,860 posts)
8. Good question.
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 11:03 PM
Sep 2025

Didn't write the title, and TBH, I'm no more sure the 'giant' is a he, than I am nature is a mother. Both forces, nevertheless, to be respected, I think

niyad

(129,793 posts)
10. That was my reaction when I saw it recently. Very disappointed in Reich
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 11:30 PM
Sep 2025

for that sexist assumption.

BaronChocula

(4,061 posts)
12. When you've "been around politics for 60 years"
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 11:46 PM
Sep 2025

you're bound to speak in anachronisms.

Add to that, I'm skeptical that things today work as they did 60 years ago. Or 50 years ago. Etc. But I remain hopeful that the bottom falls out of this regime.

niyad

(129,793 posts)
13. I have been an activist for about that long, and I do not speak in
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 11:51 PM
Sep 2025

sexist anachronisms except by intention.

A big black hole for this regime would be helpful.

BaronChocula

(4,061 posts)
16. I wasn't looking to excuse Robert Reich
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 12:05 AM
Sep 2025

I've been a fan of his politics. I was just making light of him sounding like a male of his age.

Response to BaronChocula (Reply #16)

MadameButterfly

(3,777 posts)
24. Hey, his article is about the existential threat to democracy and we're getting worked up over
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:31 AM
Sep 2025

the gender he assigns to a non-gendered entity?

Language is imperfect--it isn't easy to always include both genders. Is a country a he or a she? To me it's a she, but that's just my gut. In a creative animation, I think the author has license.

In French, some countries are feminine, grammatically, others are masculine, and the US is plural. For reasons much more arbitrary than gender prejudices.

Really, the danger here is not Robert Reich being sexist or demeaning of any group. So lets leave that alone and give him credit for his tireless fight for our democracy.

niyad

(129,793 posts)
27. Some people are capable of both understanding his post, agreeing
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:43 AM
Sep 2025

with what he said, and also noticing the inherent sexism. They are not mutually exclusive. And being told what we should, or should not, pay attention to is hardly a good look anywhere.

MadameButterfly

(3,777 posts)
34. and you weren't telling me what to pay attention to?
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 01:09 PM
Sep 2025

Normally I like a healthy debate. But nitpicking like this with what is at stake is actually harmful.

MadameButterfly

(3,777 posts)
38. Both sides-ism is one of their techniques
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 04:25 PM
Sep 2025

and confusing what Republicans are doing to women and what Reich just wrote is a pretty bad case of it.

niyad

(129,793 posts)
40. I am not the one who specifically said not to. . . but do keep trying. It is
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 04:40 PM
Sep 2025

somewhat amusing.

BurnDoubt

(1,515 posts)
41. I think I see the Irony here.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 05:01 PM
Sep 2025

Let's disassemble our resistance here so we're a bunch of incongruous grievance groups clamoring for perfection.
We can discuss the merits of the various views while we wait in line for our showers.
I have an idea: how about we table our disagreements until we overcome the IMMEDIATE existential threat, THEN beat out the details of the Utopian States Of America?
Eye on the ball, People.
Devote ALL our focus and energy to bringing down this Junta. If we succeed, there is Hope.
If we don't, there is NONE.

Skittles

(169,762 posts)
18. I agree
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 12:35 AM
Sep 2025

they are Trump whores, fucking cowards who put his interests above America, it is DISGUSTING

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,283 posts)
53. Der Dingleberry is their sock puppet...
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:40 PM
Sep 2025

... all ire is aimed at him and not themselves individually, so far... It worked for Reagan and Dumya, so the sock puppet isn't just for entertainment.

Skittles

(169,762 posts)
9. repukes always overreach, they cannot help themselves
Sun Sep 28, 2025, 11:27 PM
Sep 2025

and Trump is the worst of the worst

NCDem47

(3,337 posts)
29. In "normal" times (is that even a thing now...is that gone for good?)...
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:46 AM
Sep 2025

The midterms have served as a corrcetion to curb overreach of WH and a compliant Congress. Republicans are doing EVERYTHING in their power to rig the system right now so the scales are not tipped. It really does keep me up at night.

B.See

(7,860 posts)
50. Right. Only Trump's gun
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 07:35 PM
Sep 2025

is his MOUTH.

Stills reportedly said his lyrics were about a personal encounter, but it's interesting how... still... apropos they are now..

ReRe

(12,180 posts)
19. I totally agree with Robert Reich
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 12:38 AM
Sep 2025

We truly love our free speech, and it may not appear like it, but we do truly love our fellow Americans. And if the USG angrily lays it mitts on another American, there will be fucking Hell to pay for it. We are close. And we are strong. We are Americans first!

Be safe. Check on your elderly or invalid neighbors. Love the hell out of your loved ones.

And lastly, if we lose the internet, I love every single one of you.

ReRe

betsuni

(28,763 posts)
20. I'm betting on the dementia.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 02:31 AM
Sep 2025

Reich is optimistic about the people rising up for things. His fantasy from an old op-ed of looking back on the socialist/populist revolution of 2020 when the Right and Left populist alliance happened:

"Millions who called themselves conservatives and Tea Partiers joined with millions who called themselves liberals and progressives. ... The People's Party won the U.S. presidency and a majority of both houses of Congress in 2020."

NCDem47

(3,337 posts)
31. Please, someone educate me and talk me off a ledge
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 09:54 AM
Sep 2025

I know California is doing its thing to counteract Texas, but what can/are other Dem controlled states doing here to play wack-a-mole with these Republican controlled states on gerrymadering? My perception is that national Dems are letting this get away from them. or is it a numbers can that we can never realtically catch up with? Are Dems not doing something becasue they are cautious how voters will think about it?

Response to B.See (Original post)

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,783 posts)
26. I love the positivity,
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 08:41 AM
Sep 2025

it's refreshing from what I've been reading from all the doomers and gloomers.

patphil

(8,739 posts)
32. Right now, Trump's the only one who can keep his MAGA based focused and primed to do his bidding.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 12:26 PM
Sep 2025

The Republicans aren't going to force him out of office as long as they're able to use him, regardless of his physical condition, and he'd never resign.
And, there's no way there would ever be 20 Republican Senators to agree with 47 Democratic Senators to get the 2/3 majority in the Senate to remove him from office, even if the House Impeached him, which is still pretty much an impossibility.
I don't know how long his downward slide health wise will take before he's essentially incoherent; at least a year, maybe 2. It looks like we're stuck with him for quite a while yet.
That's the bad news.
The good news is that there appears to be a slow awakening by some of those people who voted for him. Financial pain is the most likely way to cause a Trump voter to go "woke". We're seeing the beginning of a long cycle of economic decline in the US. It's only going to get worse, as Trump's policies eat away at the economy.
So it's a race to the finish. What will collapse first, Trump or the economy?

Mr. Mustard 2023

(349 posts)
33. I have the same feeling but...
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 12:47 PM
Sep 2025

...we're going to experience some cruel, heinous tragedies before it is over and our country will be crippled. This is not going to be easy or painless. Like it or not, this is our generations' existential crises and it's huge. Nazis, the KKK control our federal government and they will not give away any power. We are going to have to take it from them, and that will be voting while being harassed, arrested, lied to about voting locations and intimidation. Resist in every way you can, as often as you can. I think putting as much pressure on Maga as possible, all at once, all of the time is a tactical winner. They are fallible humans who are picking fights with nearly everyone around the world. Make them defend themselves which will lead to mistakes and thus our victory. This is it friends, be ready for the worst and be as proactive as you can, including supporting our existing Democratic leaders, especially if the gov't does shut down. That is when they'll need us the most, so please set aside your differences and support them during the shutdown, even through mistakes and the inevitable unintended consequences.

Thanks, be strong.

Scalded Nun

(1,612 posts)
37. My opinion...The elected Trump base will do anything, including following him into the grave,
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 03:53 PM
Sep 2025

in order to keep him in office. Without him, that base has nothing to cling to. No fiscal responsibility, No law-and-order, no moral high ground, no constitutional backdrop and no polarizing standard-bearer. Nothing but their total and unwavering support to a traitor and their glaring willingness to see their fellow MAGites destroyed.

Tree Lady

(13,030 posts)
44. I see same thing and don't expect anything to change
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 05:58 PM
Sep 2025

Unless Trump dies and even then republicans have so many things set up to cheat us out of lawful elections it will be a miracle if we ever lead the country again.

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