Gov. Pritzker calls for invoking the 25th Amendment:

[Kingofalldems]

Agree 100%.

Link to tweet

[Torchlight]

1. Let's make this a national conversation!

Let's hear ALL the pros and cons from Democrats as well as cons, every day, about why or why not Mr. trump is or is not batshit crazy. Roll that beautiful bean footage...

[soldierant]

36. I've been signing petitions for this for months,

along with petitions for impeachment.

As the problem with impeachment is that the Senate must vote to convict in order tp accomplish it, the problem with the 24th is that the impetus must come from his cabinet. Can you see this cabinet even considering it for a second? I can't. (And if they did, we'd have President Vance. Who wants that?"

Jefferson said, and Lincoln quoted, "[W]henever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it." But neither of them, and no Congress or Court, has ever given the people of the United States a mechanism to accomplish that end.

[Kingofalldems]

2. And now Rep. Maxine Waters:

Link to tweet

[BunkieBandit]

35. He's got my vote in Primary

Irregardless of who runs in 28, it'll take a lot to move me away from Pritzer. Wow!!

[Vinca]

3. The trouble is he's surrounded himself with a fan club Cabinet. They'll be propping him up until he rots before

they'll invoke the 25th.

[ProfessorGAC]

4. Agreed

The less he's actually running things, the better for them.
I think it's pretty obvious he's not running much now.

[canetoad]

33. Many of his cabinet members

Are more loopy that he is. The rest are crooks and sadists.

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. Actually they are all criminals stealing our money while in those jobs and in fact

That is a prerequisite requirement of getting the job.

You know like in those movies where if a group of cops are on the take and one of them isn’t how that one isn’t trusted.

If they are not stealing our money while in the administration, they will be fired.

[Vinca]

54. Which reminds me. Did the FBI get the $50,000 back from Holman?

[Eliot Rosewater]

55. They probably took it and gave it to Patel

[InstantGratification]

5. They are trying to get him past the halfway point of his term

That way, when Vance steps in, it won't count as a term for him and he will still be eligible in 2028 and again in 2032.

[obamanut2012]

14. exactly

[popsdenver]

24. Or at least time enough

for the 2025 group and Steven Miller to get at least 90% of their wet dream list done........

The 25th amendment process gives Trump/Republicans too much time to protest and nullify before it would go into effect.........Besides, it would only make Trump more of a martyr to his Trump Humpers.

I would love to believe that the Repubs have wanted rid of him as long as we have, they just worry about his 75M voters turning against all of them...
JDVance would do anything and everything the 2025 group and Miller order him to do, without questioning or going off constantly like a loose cannon which Trump does.......Then again, Trump serves as a constant diversion, and something for the Republican Mass Media to focus on, vs all the other things they are doing in the shadows and with smoke and mirrors............

[rurallib]

29. Just what I have been telling friends for a couple of months

January 21, 2027 or some date shortly thereafter Trump will 'resign' and JD will be put in place. Trump will be unceremoniously removed by his owners and that will be that.

Election theft operation will go to high.

[Bluetus]

31. Maybe Theil, but I don't think anybody else likes Vance any more than Trump

With Trump out of the way, it is going to be a big bag of rats cannibalize one another. I can't see Vance being more than a 1-percenter.

However, that is not what the polls say. The polls say Vance is 20 points underwater nationally, but he has very strong support among Republicans as of now. I don't believe that would hold, but what the Post-Trump world looks like is anybody's guess.

[PortTack]

37. Vance may stand in for taco...he will never be elected. MAGA doesn't like him, or his Indian wife.

[Stonealone]

44. My thoughts exactly!

[quakerboy]

45. You think they plan on there being an actual vote?

Seems wildly optimistic to me. And thinking couch fucker Vance could win a term on his own merits is just.. funny.

[InstantGratification]

49. I didn't say Vance could win on his own merits

There will be an actual vote. Whether or not it's a rigged, Soviet style vote is still a matter to be contested. Peter Thiel is the power behind the scenes. He pushed for Trump to endorse Vance for Senator and he pushed for Trump to pick Vance as running mate. Without Thiel, Vance wouldn't be in politics. Thiel's governance model for America is for Vance to be an Andropov style premier as the figure head with the billionaire/oligarchs to be the politburo behind him wielding the real power. We are just the peasants serving the oligarchs.

[ancianita]

10. All the more reason for a major state leader out of the felon's circle to say it to the general public.

[Bluetus]

32. Nonetheless, after this shitshow with the Generals, we have an opportunity

to put this discussion of removal into the national discussion and keep it there.

Oratorically, it can be tied to every other issue. For example, on tariffs:

"THe Trump tariff madness is driving the economy into the ground. People are seeing costs for everyday goods exploding. Farmers haven't sold a single soybean to China this year and many are at risk of losing their farms. We have now lost jobs in 3 of the last 4 months. This is not just bad policy. It is completely reckless. There is no plan. There is no rationale for any of this. It is just random and mostly unconstitutional and grievance-based - vindictive. It is time for the cabinet to do their duty under the 25th Amendment and remove this senile man from office."

Likewise, that can be the ending flourish for every issue. That puts the weight on the Republicans to explain why they are NOT taking action.

[Attilatheblond]

47. Likely most, if not all of them, have very lucritive side scams that rely on their positions.

They won't give the side $ up. Besides that, he will only be replaced by someone who is also a puppet of the same people controlling Trump.

[BaronChocula]

6. "End this disastrous presidency"

That should be a slogan for every Dem in front of a camera. Of course it won't really end his presidency, but it will contribute to further weakening him and his party of toadies.

[Kingofalldems]

7. Rep. Eric Swalwell:

Link to tweet

[Cha]

8. Bravo, Gov Pritzker! It's out there now.

Not being Sanewashed by the Reality based Wing.

TY

[ancianita]

9. IL Gov JB Pritzker is what leadership is about.

[PortTack]

38. Indeed..proud to have such a great governor!

[ancianita]

41. I lived there before his time. I miss Chicago.

A little less as winter approaches ... ... but I'm starting to think I'd rather be cold in my old blue state than remain a warm exile in this red state.

[Amaryllis]

11. But then we get VAnce....

[orleans]

25. one monster at a time... nt

[ancianita]

43. Yeah. But he won't shake things up too much unless Peter Thiel gives him a script and marching orders.

Which he might do.

[erronis]

12. Stevie Miller is keeping trump going so he can actually run the gov't.

With advice from putin and musk.

[MineralMan]

13. Yet another person who doesn't know how that amendment works.

It's easy to understand. You just have to read the text of the amendment. As things are now, it is literally impossible to invoke that amendment. First block is the VP. For pete's sake, read the amendment.

[ancianita]

16. All the more reason to put leadership pressure on the VP. It's now out there and not going away.

[QueerDuck]

15. Great headline, but sadly this will never come to pass. His cabinet are too loyal (or too stupid) to care.

If he leaves office before his term is complete, it will be feet-first.

[tavernier]

17. It won't happen, but when he goes completely bananas

and takes the country with him (as in yesterday), there will be plenty of documentation that his party did not remove him after it was officially called for.

[onenote]

18. Probably not a popular view, but I don't think the 25th was intended for this situation

Trump's disrespect for established Constitutional norms including the separation of powers, is a very real and serious concern -- one that is most appropriately dealt with either at the ballot box or in an impeachment proceeding (which actually is less of a hurdle to overcome than removing a president via the 25th Amendment.)

IMO, the 25th is intended to address the situation described in the amendment -- a president who is "unable" to discharge the powers and duties of the office. Not a president who discharges those duties badly or even unlawfully. But a president who literally is not able to act -- not able to sign or veto legislation or make appointments vested to his authority by the Constitution etc.

As terrible and even unlawful as some of Trump's actions, and as unhinged as his oratory, his decisions have the support of his cabinet, of a majority of the Congress, and in many instances, the courts. Again, the 25th amendment was not intended as a means of sitting in judgment of a president's decision making, it was intended to address a situation where the president literally cannot make decisions, because for example, he or she is unconscious, in a coma, or otherwise incapacitated.

[eppur_se_muova]

22. His mental fitness is very much in question -- waiting for full incapacitation may be too late.

[leftstreet]

30. It's great hyperbole, though

You're absolutely right - although clever lawyers might decide there's money to be made in defining "unable" in this circumstance.

But Pritzker's bold statement lands in something of a vacuum right now.

It just sounds good!

[lees1975]

19. I agree. We have to get him out.

I doubt this cabinet will do it, though.

[mdbl]

20. A lot of us have been saying this since 2016

Doesn't seem to matter to idiot right-wing voters and the idiots they put in power.

[Uncle Joe]

21. If there was ever an administration screaming for the 25th Amendment, it's this one.

*rump's speech was a subliminal call for help and any cabinet members who are just silently watching his deteriorating grip on reality while remaining silent are betraying the best interests of both *rump and the nation.

Thanks for the thread Kingofalldems

[Upthevibe]

23. Kick. N/T

[SheltieLover]

26. Gov Pritzker is my top choice for 2028 if he wants to be pres

His fa.ily is from Ukraine, so he has a burning hatred of ruskie govt. The antithesis to kraznov & natasha.

[SheltieLover]

61. The people of Illinois love him. He is my top choice for 2028

[SoFlaBro]

62. He's the governor of a Dem state where his constituency fucking loves him. That is the Dem we need running nationwide.

[leftstreet]

27. DURec

[WarGamer]

28. that'll definitely work!!!!

[nycbos]

34. As the New Yorker who now lives in Chicago...

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… I am a big fan of my governor. However, I don't think that would solve anything because I think Vance is in many ways worse.

[Deminpenn]

39. This is brilliant strategy from Pritzker

Vance and the rest of cabinet are all politically ambitious. This sets them all up against each other.

[Jack Valentino]

40. NEVER was there a better case for it, or even remotely close !!!!

"Just Dance" Vance may be a rabid white nationalist
(or maybe he just pretends to be one because he's Trump's Vice President),

but I've never thought that he was totally bat-shit INSANE,
like the orange mess who has his finger on the nuclear trigger RIGHT NOW!!!


I just hope Trump degrades so much very quickly
that they have no choice but to pull the 25th Amendment trigger,
before he destroys the world and ALL of us,
on a demented whim !!!!!

[Lulu KC]

42. Pritzker rocks

Applause for him.

[joshdawg]

46. Okay. We invoke the 25th to get rid

of one rabid lunatic just so we can have another rabid lunatic take its place.
Make no mistake about it, we are in a lose-lose situation.
trump is insane, no doubt about it.
vance is just as crazy as trump, maybe more so.
There are no sane reasonable people in trump's "cabinet."
Even johnson is mentally unstable.
I know of no valid solution to the problem. Perhaps someone could help me out here.

[Sneederbunk]

48. The cheese has slipped off the cracker.

[RogueRocket]

50. best governor in the country by far

JB is the best governor in the country by far

[samsingh]

51. doesn't vance become president then?

[SSJVegeta]

53. Funny thing is every Democrat should be calling for that

That being said, I wonder if there is any major significance to Pritzker being from the same economic class as Trump. Like kinda a not too subtle dog whistle to his fellow billionaires?

[LS0999]

56. Who is going to invoke it?

He surrounded himself with loyalists?

[rsdsharp]

57. I really wish people would actually read section five of the 25th Amendment.

So long as a President is conscious, the 25th Amendment is virtually incapable of removing a President, especially with a Congress as supine as the current one. And if it were possible to implement the Amendment, impeachment would be easier, and likely faster.

[AllaN01Bear]

58. ding. this,

[krawhitham]

59. 25th Amendment requires more votes than impeachment/removal

[Kingofalldems]

63. Doesn't mean it is not called for.