The Abandon Harris Mob Has Blood on their Hands

[Indyfan53]

Seeing the ICE raids makes me sick. What makes me even more sick is all of these “Abandon Harris” idiots calling for us to all unite and fight back when THEY are complicit in letting this happen. They all encouraged people to stay home or vote for that Russian asset Jill Stein last year.

We should shame them.

Hound them on social media, reminding them they voted for this. Warn other people they cannot be trusted. If we have another election, they are likely to make the same stupid miscalculation.

Here is one motherfucker in particular:

Esa Mohamed, who goes by esamighty on social media, mocked the people who begged and pleaded for everyone to vote for Harris. He is one of those idiots who thinks Harris is complicit in the genocide in Gaza. Then he had the audacity to be shocked when Trump’s fascism came rolling in. Despite that, he still pushes his “both parties are evil” bullshit.

He thinks he’s a revolutionary figure, but he’s really a clout chaser rapper wannabe and anti-black. If ICE comes for his ass, that’s on him.

Call their asses out.

[Abnredleg]

1. No, this is not the time for a Dem Civil War

The margins are too narrow for us to take our eye off the real enemy.

[Indyfan53]

3. He is not a dem

He hates dems. Read my post.

[Abnredleg]

14. He's not the enemy - the GOP is

That’s what we need to focus on. Attacking some fringe actor gets us nowhere.

[NickB79]

33. He told people NOT to vote for the Dem candidate, and stands by that to this day

He's absolutely the enemy.

[Eliot Rosewater]

54. Agreed, thank you for standing up for the truth.

[Abnredleg]

55. Attacking him does nothing for us in the mid-terms

that's all that matters. The voters have no idea who he is - he is a distraction. Which is why you brought him up.

[QueerDuck]

57. This could explain why Jeffries won't endorse him.

Hmmm. Interesting.

[rpannier]

76. What office is Esa Mohammad running for?

[QueerDuck]

90. Trust and loyalty are important.

Many people are demanding that Jeffries "endorse" him because he's the party's nominee, and I can see how that might be important to them. But at the same time it's important to remember that some have characterized their anger and frustration with Jeffries as being overly dramatic since Jeffries is simply remaining silent and Jeffries is NOT encouraging people to "leave it blank". I think that's an important distinction that is being overlooked. Sometimes silence is better than displays of haste and vanity and ego and anger. I admire Jeffries for his party loyalty and for having the wisdom to know when it's best to just say nothing.

[Indyfan53]

98. People like him enable our enemies

By aiding our enemies through discouraging voting, that makes him an enemy.

[Abnredleg]

102. Yes, you are correct

My point is that he’s a minor player, and we need to concentrate to the major players.

[EllieBC]

107. He aided the enemy. He's the fucking enemy.

You can pretend all you want but he should shoulder a lot of blame.

[Abnredleg]

108. One of the primary principles of war is focus of effort

Yes, he is the enemy, but focusing on him doesn’t achieve victory. That’s all I’m saying.

[Hekate]

37. He's not a Democrat. He's a 5th columnist

[Clouds Passing]

2. They should be fighting back the hardest!

[Easterncedar]

4. They were duped, many of them

Social media manipulation is horrifyingly effective.

[Scubamatt]

7. I agree that manipulation is

VERY real and a huge problem, but how many times will these idiots vote for Jill Stein - who literally disappears until Putin trots her out at the next election cycle to cleave off 2-3% of the vote? Don't we have to challenge them to learn how they are being played?

[Easterncedar]

18. You are right, we need to try.

[markodochartaigh]

40. Stein got 0.56%, 862,049 votes.

Essentially the same as "Brainworm Bob", 0.49%, got and that the Libertarian, 0.42%, got.

Certainly it is tempting for certain types of people to try and drive all of the "leftists" out of the Democratic party, but those people should find a better argument.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

94. Repeat after me: a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Putin.

Link to tweet

[Autumn]

5. In every election there are people who don't like a candidate and they don't vote for

that candidate. That's a constitutional right Americans have, to vote for some one or not. That's our system. Democrats and Republican candidates both face that. Hate them if you want to waste your time.

[LyfeTimeDem]

11. how many times do they stab us in the back

and help the Rightwing aka Trump get elected before we stop apologizing for them? Frankly as a female twice denied a competent and Qualified Female President and I am sick to my stomach about it.....I am tired of waiting.....and look what we have to endure because we cannot criticize certain voters...

And because of it we have to run a White male again to overcome it



First we are told to ignore them...then we are told "now is not the time"....why are women always told they cannot speak out about this even on Democratic Underground....it's not fair that some enjoy a protected status.

[Autumn]

20. They didn't stab anyone in the back.In 2020 Trump didn't apeal to enough

republicans, Biden appealed to people and he won. That's how it works.

No candidate is owed any vote and if they lose it's on them. Their job is to campaign and get that vote.

[LyfeTimeDem]

22. what are you talking about?

I am talking about 2016 and 2024

Joe Biden is a White male.... he appealled to voters because they couldn't make him appear like a dangerous choice....because people knew him so welll.... but yes they DID try.

[Autumn]

30. The fact is in 2016 and 2024 neither Democratic candidate for president appealed

to enough voters in every state to win the White House. We have a process to elect our leaders and that precess doesn't change.

[LyfeTimeDem]

32. says fucking who?

They didnt seem to appeal to a certain protected group on here .....but the BASE of the Party....Black women sure did ...in all 3 cases....there is a pattern that some are very reluctant to see.

[Autumn]

34. Well that just wasn't enough. The votes were counted and they came up short.

On DU we all know how elections work.

[LyfeTimeDem]

38. yeah what happened to Joe Biden

Wasn't

Nor what happened to Hillary Clinton.....Propaganda happened...even Bernie Sanders admitted that.
.

[LyfeTimeDem]

49. and HOW did that happen?

Because the war is on Social Media (at least for now) and the war is for the mushy middle.....the voters that hate politics and who avoid it because they don't like taking sides. ....they vote on emotions....they vote for appearances, perceptions...they don't like to have to think about it.......they vote for who appears to be "winning" because they want to be on the winning team.

Not having Joe Biden's back...even carrying Joe Biden's dead body to the finish line "Weekend At Bernie's" style if necessary, is why we lost. We should have been able to elect a ham sandwich with Donald Trump as the alternative......so we did what we always do.....instead of rising up and protecting our candidates....from attacks (from all sides!) like the right would do.....we showed our soft underbelly......we showed we weren't THAT confident about our pick.....we let him be shoved aside.....BY A SOCIAL MEDIA ATTACK .....as if he had one foot in the grave already and was about to die!

We weakened Harris in the process....because we didnt respond "So what if Biden DID die, we have Harris to take his place"!! ....we quibbled, and second guessed ourselves over that too.....threatening an open primary to replace her (with a younger White man, of course). And In doing that we showed weakness in our confidence ..we didnt show how united we are in what we stand for.....in the end Biden did the noble thing to prevented them (aka us) from stepping over her....

Again, every Black person I spoke with since has agreed with that assessment....and they were perfectly happy to support Harris

We Democrats shoot ourselves in the foot time and time again....we have too much self-doubt and not nearly enough spine....and I believe we do it when we do not demand our Party leaders are members of our own Party... just my opinion but I am incredulous about that....it gives a perception of weakness....that we doubt ourselves!!! .....and we CANNOT AFFORD THAT PERCEPTION NOW......and I believe we also do it when we allow a minority of us to throw their weight around....who have a tendency to harm turnout.....and let them criticize our candidates......but we can never criticize them or theirs.

[Autumn]

59. You know who didn't have Joe Bidens back? Elected Democrats. Instead of

fighting the media on their BS attacks on Biden they called for him to step down and for Harris to replace him. Knowing there were poll numbers and voter outreach problems.

[LyfeTimeDem]

65. Excuse me?

They were having respond to the pressure from certain LOUD people and the deafening silence of others that fell for the propaganda that Joe Biden was about to kick the bucket.......and the loud group caught an opportunity to replace Kamala Harris.

I wasn't one of those that stayed silent. I defended Biden to the end....

Because all we needed him to do was make it until January 20th.....he could have made Harris the 1st Female President ....any time after that.......and NONE of us would be suffering like we are now...I note nearly a year has passed.....and Joe Biden is still very much alive

Democrats waste far too much navel gazing....and it costs us ALL dearly...and the Rightwing capitalizes on our self doubts, and our fear of a certain demographic....and I believe there was some Putin paid astroturfing involved as a result because we are prone to it.

Certain people just don't want to be reminded of certain details....

[Autumn]

74. You're excused. Those "certain LOUD people" was the media. Elected Dems were the

one who got the ball rolling and it took off like a snowball, then it reached a tipping points and it was done. It was not the Democratic voters who pushed him out and Harris in. .

[thought crime]

99. Some are still in denial.

We should not have been in the position of having to drag Biden across the finish line. Unfortunately, Biden did not drop out after the midterm election and did not build the case for Kamala Harris. It was a huge political miscalculation driven by ego and partisan delusion.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

51. In 2020, tRump 1.0 was fresh in minds. In 2024 not so much. . . . nt

[LyfeTimeDem]

71. she just described it to you

Either you were part of that demographic or you are just in denial...

When it's a Liberal candidate, especially females, we allow snide remarks about the candidates.....anyone else is verbotten.

[Eliot Rosewater]

56. Like the folks who said things like "I'll have to hold my nose to vote for Hillary"

And made damn sure every time they said it as many people as possible around them or in their lives or in the line at the grocery store heard them, causing how many thousands and hundreds of thousands of people to just not bother to vote at all😡😡😡😡😡

Thank you for your post by the way.

[LyfeTimeDem]

70. You are welcome

We need to stop allowing that....it's not working. We cannot afford this any more.

[markodochartaigh]

81. I've heard of those people who wouldn't vote for Hillary.

Actually I have never met one. I have seen their posts online and seen a couple of talking heads who said that.

In my own lived experience I saw a number of people at local Democratic meetings who said that they would not vote if Bernie was the candidate. I never heard anyone say that they would vote for Trump if Bernie was the candidate. I also heard interviews in which extremely wealthy people who said that they would vote for Hillary say that they would not vote for Bernie.
Perhaps it depends on the area in which you live what you hear.
I spent a lot of time in two states volunteering for Bernie. And when Hillary was the candidate I spent even more time volunteering for her. Anecdotally I did not see any of the people who said that they would not vote for Bernie volunteering for Hillary. None. Not even one.

[thought crime]

103. We don't have to run a white male next time.

2028 could be the best time for a woman to run. Trump Fatigue will be at peak levels and his likely successor is one of the most unlikable characters you could imagine. On the Democratic side AOC, Jasmine Crockett and Kamala Harris may be our best candidates, each with their own particular strengths. I would like to see two of the three making up the ticket.

[W_HAMILTON]

13. Are you that gracious to those on the left that don't support Mamdani?

[Autumn]

23. That has nothing to do with how campaigning and voting works. Mamdani

campaigned and won his election, he appealed to the electorate and earned their vote. Everybody on the Left should be fucking proud to celebrate his win. Especially "leadership"

[sheshe2]

45. Why?

Everybody on the Left should be fucking proud to celebrate his win. Especially "leadership"

[Autumn]

46. Why? Alrighty then.

[sheshe2]

86. Autumn, he is running for Mayor of NYC not President.

Why would anyone outside of NYC care. He is running to serve and protect the people of NY's state capital. It is their capital and their vote. I am sure he will do a great job for the city if he is elected.

I will bet you money that most people outside of their Capitol knows the name of their mayor.

Back at ya...

[thought crime]

100. The Capitol of New York state is Albany.

But the NYC Mayor is a nationally significant position that all Democrats should be interested in.

[sheshe2]

105. My mistake and my point stands.

[LyfeTimeDem]

50. yes...why?

[W_HAMILTON]

106. You said:

In every election there are people who don't like a candidate and they don't vote for that candidate. That's a constitutional right Americans have, to vote for some one or not. That's our system.

You apply this standard to Kamala, but not Mamdani?

I believe the worst Democrat is still better than the best Republican and that is why I ultimately vote for the Democrat regardless of whether or not they were my personal top pick for the nomination.

[mcar]

58. Uh huh

[Wednesdays]

16. Amen, Autumn.

Does nothing to change things especially the 2024 election results, and is counterproductive.

[LyfeTimeDem]

26. so lets not learn anything

And just repeat the same mistakes all over again.. lather rinse repeat. The definition of insanity

[Eliot Rosewater]

60. That is what you're SEEING right here right now, that's right

I have nothing in common with those people at all absolutely nothing.

And thank you for your post.

[LyfeTimeDem]

73. you are welcome, my friend.

[Cha]

6. So Much Blood.

[Eliot Rosewater]

61. Still waiting for one of them, just one of them to acknowledge what they did to us in 2016.

[617Blue]

8. MAGAZANS were never voting Dem. Jeepers open your eyes.

[LyfeTimeDem]

27. neither will certain other people

who say things like "vote Blue no matter who" then trash the candidate and don't.

[ForgedCrank]

9. It goes

deeper than that for me.
Some folks, and I include myself in that, were (and still are to some extent) a little angry at what the party did in abandoning Joe Biden, the candidate we chose.
I'm happy for President Biden in that now he can enjoy life the best he can without all the bullcrap. But it cost our country dearly and the peoples choice was rejected and over-ridden. I don't appreciate that.
This will be an unpopular statement, but in my opinion, Harris was not a suitable choice, especially since we overwhelmingly chose Biden. Her numbers were always unacceptable. I almost feel like we were sabotaged with all that happened because Joe Biden would likely have won.
I am certainly not anti-Harris by any stretch, but her numbers were just not viable. I'm not trying to rehash all of that bad blood yet again, but it's something we need to make sure we don't forget. Out personal picks may be great, but we are also at the mercy of other voters, like it or not, and we have to leverage that properly.

[LyfeTimeDem]

28. and I am with you.....My Salty goes

All the way back to Hillary Clinton

For Liberal Democrats.....the beatings will continue until morale improves.

[LyfeTimeDem]

10. Agree....it makes me sick...

[leftstreet]

12. You're demonizing the party base?

6+ million reliably Democratic voters, who happily voted for Biden, FAILED to show up for Harris.

Who is this "them" you're ranting about?

[W_HAMILTON]

15. If they voted for Biden but not Kamala against TRUMP, they sure as hell ain't our party base.

[leftstreet]

17. Okay

...so part of the base was lost in 2024

Hope the consultant class is working on that

[W_HAMILTON]

19. "Base" doesn't mean you vote for a party once -- it means that you reliably vote for them each election.

So, once again, someone that voted for Biden but not Kamala absolutely is not part of the Democratic base.

[LyfeTimeDem]

35. no shit?

And who are they.....you are almost there

Black people I spoke to male and female....to a one...were unhappy with how Joe Biden was treated by the Democratic Party, they thought it was wrong... though they strongly supported Harris in the election

Estimates from multiple 2024 post-election surveys indicate that Kamala Harris received between 90% and 92% of the vote among Black women. This level of support was consistent with Black women's voting patterns in recent presidential elections.

What other Demographic can tout that

#VoteLikeBlackWomen, I always say...they know.

[JustAnotherGen]

83. That's why we aren't out

At these protests.

I mean - I'll vote for Dems next month and next year . . . but I'm not doing the heavy lifting.

We told folks.
They didn't listen.
They can go it alone.

[Autumn]

36. i don't know what number of those voters were the base but I know the war on Gaza

and Americas involvment kept some voters from voting for her.

[LyfeTimeDem]

41. BINGO!!!

Now ....who are "they"? It wasnt the Liberals and Black Women.



...and who hounded people off DU in 2015 and beyond, for the same damn thing, using the same reasoning. Because you cannot question them or point that out ever.

[mcar]

63. And how is that working out?

Anyone who didn't see this coming, especially since Trump said what he'd do, well, I really can treat what I think about them.

[Autumn]

64. Anybody who was paying attention knew she was losing that block of voters

beause of her stand on the war on Gaza.

[mcar]

67. And how did that work out for them?

Idiots are still protesting private citizen Harris but leaving Trump alone. Why is that?

[Autumn]

68. Perhaps you should ask them. nt

[mcar]

72. You seemed to know their motives. nt

[Autumn]

77. I paid very close attention to the campaign. I knew what was at stake. nt

[mcar]

80. As did I

Those idiots have blood on their hands.

[LyfeTimeDem]

31. polls were taken

of people who voted for Joe Biden in 2020 but not Kamala Harris in 2024....I will leave you to guess what the number 1 reason given for that was....

[LyfeTimeDem]

39. the Party Base....are Black women

And Liberals....What other groups are as equally loyal??

[JustAnotherGen]

84. None

And we've been alienated. Black women are alienated.

Many of us have gone evil.

The treatment of VP Harris?

We'll remember some November. We descend from people who survived Jim Crow. We have grit other groups don't have. Its handed down.

[flvegan]

21. "Hound them on social media"

So I should help more money find its way into the pockets of the fucking billionaires who really helped get us here, and continue to keep us here?

I guess everyone has their own form of activism.

[LyfeTimeDem]

44. we certainly haven't been able to stop it...

by allowing the Democratic Party to be attacked....

Thats not even the biggest problem now.....things are far more dire.....

How have Fascist regimes been stopped in the past?

We are facing into the eyes of Fascism now.... people are hurting and more people are going to be hurt. We may not even have a Midterm Election...what are we going to do then?

[Mariana]

48. How have Fascist regimes been stopped in the past?

Not by hounding people on social media.

[LyfeTimeDem]

53. who is doing the hounding?

I think you have that backwards who is doing that..

P.S. people arent on the National TV for election information any more...they are on Social Media for that

And ask advertisers.....PERCEPTION is king...

P.S. one of the greatest days of my life was the day I spent on the Ellipse...from the time I tried to leave late that night. The most loving and caring for other peoples needs I have ever witnessed.....it was GLORIOUS.....AND A MASSIVE HYPED UP CROWD

Until we tried to leave the Ellipse

WHO do you think was waiting for us? Who blocked exits for 10s of thousands of us? Who was banging pots and pans in our faces, screaming in our faces.....hundreds and hundreds of them.....calling Harris Names....calling US names....like "baby killers"....and no that was not the Rightwing Anti-Abortionist crowd.....

[Indyfan53]

93. Invasions by super powers

It took Allied super power forces invading Italy and Germany to bring down Mussolini and Hitler. The resistance movements failed. Look up the Warsaw Uprising.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. Who has the time?

[madinmaryland]

29. Who is he?? Nuff said.

[Keepthesoulalive]

42. Many people here are not aware of the influencers

And the damage they did to our country. You will have better luck on YouTube, Substack or Reddit. I was shocked at the misinformation and complicity of certain TikTok folks and how they convinced people not to vote or vote third party. This is not the crowd for what you are saying, I get you most others will not.

[GreenWave]

43. Do we see Maga threatening Bannon for stealing $5,000,000 from the wall? Why not?

I suspect nobody plants the seeds of internecine warfare on their side.

[BlueTsunami2018]

47. All Harris had to do was allow a Palestinian speaker at the convention.

Or say anything against the genocide in whatever way and that could have all been avoided. There was a way to weave through that traffic and the campaign just didn’t, couldn’t or wouldn’t do it.

The left, the actual left, is right about a great many things.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

62. So how are the Palestinians doing now?

I have no sympathy for the "drop Harris group" who couldn't see that Trump was worse. They shit their bed let them sleep in it.

[BlueTsunami2018]

85. Terrible.

They’re doing terrible.

They were under genocidal conditions before him and they’re still under genocidal conditions. All she had to do was acknowledge it and pledge to do whatever was in her power to end it. It’s not that difficult to stand against genocide. It shouldn’t be anyway.

[betsuni]

88. One speaker and one word and they caved, gave up, threw in the towel, folded, didn't fight, didn't meet the moment,

surrendered, had no spine, didn't stand up to Trump. Guess it wasn't important after all, and were spectacularly ridiculously obviously wrong .

[PunkinPi]

109. Or perhaps, they could've listened to the Gazans that were asking them to vote for Harris.

Additionally, she said in her book that she wanted Biden to express more sympathy as to the plight of the Palestinians, but Biden is/was a Zionist and he found it difficult to do so authentically. And she, MVP Harris, was one of the first high-ranking official to call for an immediate ceasefire. The trouble with the folks you mention is that they always move the goalposts.

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. Same thing in 2016, the bullshit from the left about Hillary, that's how we got here.

And just now I read something that is so insane I cannot believe it, I can’t believe I’m reading it here.

[JI7]

66. People like that are just grifters that want Republicans to win

[Ms. Toad]

69. Give it a rest.

The race should not have been close enough for a few idiots on the left to have made a difference. We've got much bigger fish to fry.

[AZProgressive]

75. Abandon Harris wasn't the only group that didn't vote for Harris

Quite a bit of voters either left the top blank or voted for Trump while voting Democrats down ballot. We may even have "shy" Trump voters here are at DU which wouldn't surprise me.

[Dem4life1970]

78. We can walk and chew gum at the same time...

We can and will and are building the pro-Democracy coalition....AND we definitely need to hold people accountable/remind them, that if they didn't VOTE for Harris, they VOTED for this. Period. End of story.

The 97,488 Florida Ralph Nader voters in 2000 put George W. Bush in the White House. I never thought I would live to say this, but what happened in 2024 was worse!

[Mad_Machine76]

79. Some of them

Are protesting her NOW at her book signings.

[Gimpyknee]

82. Jill Stein didn't cost Harris the election.

Stein won just 0.4% of the votes nationwide. Several polls showed she drew more votes away from Trump than Harris. Even if Harris took all the Stein votes in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, she would have still lost those states.

What hurt Harris the most was Trump voters were far more racially diverse than his voters in 2016 and 2020.Trump was near equal with Harris with Hispanic voters 48% to 51% when Biden won 61% to 36%. Trump won 15% of Black voters (chiefly males) up 8% from four years earlier. 40% of Asians voted for Trump while 57% supported Harris. Biden won Asians 70% to 30% in 2020.

Trump has held an edge among voters without four-year college degrees in all of his campaigns, but his 56% to 42% results were double his margin in 2016.

So instead of blaming Stein you can blame all these voters or just admit the majority of Americans were not going to vote for a black woman. This leads me to ask what would have happened if Biden had just been a one term transitional president and had not sought to run for a second term?

[SocialDemocrat61]

89. This Jill Stein?

[Torchlight]

91. Nope

[dwayneb]

92. good information

The data you posted really tells the tale. The question becomes of course - how do we reverse that trend?

[DFW]

87. ""He thinks he's a revolutionary figure"

Now I have never heard of this guy before, but that’s a phrase I have heard before.

In 1982, I was invited by the Cuban government to go down there to visit with them for a couple of days. The Bay of Pigs was over 20 years past, and there was occasional cooperation on matters of mutual interest. It was a rare such matter, and I had nothing to do with the current U.S. (Reagan) government at all. They sent word to their “Cuban Interests Section” of the Czechoslovak Embassy in Washington, and I had to go down there to get their visa stamped into my passport.

While I was waiting for them to do the paperwork, some guy came in demanding a visa to visit Cuba, shouting, “Yo soy revolucionario!” I’m a revolutionary! The Cuban staff rolled their eyes, shook their heads, and said with their facial expressions, “another one.” I left the building with my Cuban visa stamped in my passport. “El revolucionario” did not (he left before I did, at their encouraging).

[LetMyPeopleVote]

95. The Abandoned Harris idiots do have blood on their hands

trump was always going to support Bibi and the destruction of Gaza. We are seeing the results of idiots withhold their votes for Kamala Harris every day

Link to tweet

[RogueRocket]

96. Yep, and then they have the nerve to complain about democrats

[betsuni]

97. Anyone claiming to want progress, peace, equality but didn't vote for Harris didn't fight back, didn't stop Republicans,

didn't stand up, allowed Trump to destroy the working/middle class that he ignores in favor of his wealthy elite billionaire oligarch friends.Gave up, threw in the towel, folded, did not meet the moment, are weak and spineless and stand for nothing, do nothing. CAVED.

[Blue Owl]

104. And anyone who thinks that Joe Biden's term was a dud can kiss my ass

There is too much stupidity in this country. The M$M isn't helping. We are not getting accurate news from the M$M. They are treating this all with the same approach they would an all-star wrestling match -- it's all entertainment for the benefit of the wealthy elite... everything else be damned...