Two Vets say US is becoming a dictatorship but military won't go along with it

[RogueRocket]

These two vets said on their podcast that the US is becoming a dictatorship but that the military won't stand for it. Thoughts? Made me hopeful but I feel like everyone is just rolling over to the admin, don't see why military would be any different?

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[Redleg]

1. I don't know the answer to that question.

I think the best we can hope for is that the military refuses to follow unlawful orders. This is within each military member's duty.

[doc03]

2. I saw General McCathry yesterday on MSNBC

he made a comment to the effect we can't depend on the Generals and Admirals to save us.

[RogueRocket]

4. fair

fair, maybe we can't depend on them but do you think they'll actively turn on the American people?

[doc03]

13. Yes I think they are more interested in their career

and the next promotion. So far General Milley is the only one that has opposed Trump and not until he retired. So far I haven't seen anyone that will stand up to Trump.

[Redleg]

6. Yeah- I wouldn't want the military to overthrow the President

even if that person is DJT.

[Mysterian]

9. Would you prefer a dictatorship under Trump?

Because that's what you'll get if the military follows his orders.

[Redleg]

12. If they follow his unlawful orders.

I don't want the military to use their power for either the purpose of propping up Trump or deposing Trump. I do expect them to push back against unlawful and unwise orders and actions.

[doc03]

14. I said nothing about the military overthrowing

the president. I just don't see the Generals and Admirals refusing to carry out an order from Trump legal or not.

[Redleg]

23. I didn't intend to imply you said it.

I thought I was responding to another commenter.

[Mysterian]

8. It's McCaffrey

I find it difficult to believe he would say such a thing.

[RogueRocket]

16. why?

isn't he a lib?

[Mysterian]

22. General McCaffrey is a loyal American

I have no idea what his political leanings are. If being a loyal American means being a liberal these days, then I guess he is.

[Tree Lady]

20. From what I hear most are republicans

My son n law worked at Pentagon when he was a major and told me that.

[RogueRocket]

3. hmm

do you think they will refuse unlawful orders?

[Redleg]

5. I think some will

It will take an act of courage and probably an end to their career.

[Maru Kitteh]

7. Pffffft. I give it a 50-50 at best. These two vets are candidly wearing rose-colored glasses

imo, based on my daily contacts with veterans.

[Emile]

10. The biggest myth is that the military is Republicans.

[RogueRocket]

15. yeah

the military matches the natural makeup of the country. 50/50

[Whiskeytide]

27. The brass is political. That makes many of them lean ...

… toward who ever is running things at the moment. I don’t mean to imply they are incompetent, or MAGA. Just that most of them didn’t get where they are without playing some politics along the way.

[Ping Tung]

11. Refuse to follow illegal orders? Yes. Military coup? No.

Violence is the last resort of the incompetent. Isaac Asimov

[Liberal In Texas]

17. Krasnov is actively trying to coopt the military and turn them into

loyal storm troopers. Loyal to him, not the Constitution.
How much success he will have doing this is anybody's guess.

[haele]

18. Whether or not there's an election in 2026 will indicate if the Military will need to take action.

If there's no election, despite there being elections during all the Wars there have been during the time there's been a United States of America, then our Democratic Republic is officially on life support starting to flatline.
I'm trying not to be flip or hair on fire, but a lot of officers are not happy and are starting to choose their words very carefully.
Y'see, most of them understand what it takes to be an officer in a corrupt government; a lot have worked with those types of officers, and there's all sorts of studies about what happens to officers who care about successful missions, or their troops, or even "saving taxpayer dollars and optimizing resources" - because in a corrupt or idealistically authoritarian government - the Kleptocracies, the Theocracies, the Oligarchies, the Dictatorships - the only mission is to protect the ones in power. The Military becomes the Mercenary.
Citizens, the average Soldiers and Sailors, hell, any concept of civilized society be damned.

Once we have no more elections, the Military leadership will have to make their choice.
Along with the States.

[ecstatic]

19. Haven't the "resisters" been fired?

I love his confidence but I'm not sure where he's getting it from.

[Arazi]

21. Watching the Navy folks cheering on Trump's bullshit on Saturday

And the absolutely enthusiastic soldiers at Fort Bragg a couple months ago, I think this completely naive.

Very very few soldiers and officers will have the capability and discernment to disobey direct orders.

[milestogo]

24. OK military, nows the time.

Save us from destruction.

[RogueRocket]

25. Is it though?

When is the actual tipping point though? Wouldn't it be the cancelation of elections?

[milestogo]

26. When the executive and judicial branches have almost no respect for the Constitution

and the legislative branch is dominated by sycophants to a man who thinks he is a king.

We are there.