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In this video, this woman explains why white women chose white privilege over broader women's issues. She asserts that the ~55% of white women who voted for Trump did so because they thought Trump would provide less chaos and more stability.
I don't think the reporter says anything new, but at least she acknowledges the cognitive dissonance. She posits that the vote boils down to the patriarchal bargain, i.e. "safety comes from alignment. Align with your husband, your church, your flag, and in return you'll be protected from chaos, from crime, from men who aren't yours. Historically that protection was inseparable from whiteness itself . . ."
The video is almost 13 minutes long. She is articulate. I didn't have any problems understanding her at 2x playback speed.
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yardwork
(68,985 posts)"Protect from chaos" is a dog whistle for the same old racist fears.
UniqueUserName
(397 posts)As a gay, white man, I have little to no influence over anyone who votes MAGA. I'm a lesser person to them. I enthusiastically voted for Harris in 2024. She was an excellent candidate. It wasn't a hard vote. I wasn't voting the lesser of evils. Likewise, H. Clinton was an excellent candidate.
White, DU men will have little influence over the MAGA women in their lives. White MAGA women will dismiss them as old hippies or woke. My guess is that the straight white men of DU already have Democratic or liberal spouses.
I do think that white DU women may be able to exercise some reasoning influence with MAGA women, or may be able to at least introduce some ideas. I have 4 sisters. Two voted for Harris. I know I have no influence with the MAGA sisters. I have tried before. My left leaning sisters do not make the attempt. I think they are probably right in that their arguments would fall on deaf ears. I don't know. I guess my hope is that some percentage of Democratic women could persuade a small percentage of women who fall for the patriarchal bargain that the men offering that bargain never deliver.
electric_blue68
(25,979 posts)
leftstreet
(38,877 posts)And that's what drives the Trump voter
ananda
(34,469 posts)No reference was made to say that white
men aren't racist.
The point of the article was about white
women, and it makes a lot of sense.
leftstreet
(38,877 posts)Why did they vote for Trump? If there was no husband to "align with"
I hear what you're saying, I just don't see the leap from chaos and order (racism) to the husband thing
ananda
(34,469 posts)Certainly, the same racism exists in other
groups.
,
It is a defining issue not only of our time,
but also of the entire history of this
country... in the way that racism and
all the other isms and phobias are used
to divide and conquer us in the interests
of the very rich sociopaths.
hlthe2b
(112,853 posts)I don't care if that was the title of the video or whether you "did not intend" to insult millions of white women, but for gawd's sakes, stop it! Retitle it: "The Reason SO MANY White Women vote MAGA..." or we will know that that indefensible slur is what you actually meant. 
WhiteTara
(31,193 posts)the personal opinion of the OP.
hlthe2b
(112,853 posts)NO better than conflating any bad incident or partial group behavior to a group at large, whether based on gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation or any other immutable feature. So too is defending the practice.
WhiteTara
(31,193 posts)indicated to me that the poster was deliberately disrespecting all white women. As a relatively new poster, do you have some prior evidence that the poster is deliberately damning all white women? I'm sorry that you are very upset, but I think this might be a case of mistaken anger. But then again, maybe not.
hlthe2b
(112,853 posts)black or any other race or ethnicity, or any other marginalized group. Hell, I'd be pissed if ALL men (of any race or ethnicity) were similarly universally blamed for MAGA support.
karynnj
(60,796 posts)It is worth considering that a non college educated white woman married to a non college educated white man may see HER interest through what she sees as better for her family and her community rather than through solidarity with all women.
Warpy
(114,398 posts)and while they're voting GOP for the illusion of a secure world for their children, the whole thing is very much fear driven. They're terrified they'll find Johnny in the bathroom in one of Mom's dresses, trying out her makeup. Or little Suzie passed out in her bedroom with a needlesill in her arm. If they can just stop any mention of this stuff their kids will grow up normal, whatever that is.
That's really what's driving this, the idea that if they can control the outside world and make it a suburban Never-Never Land, their kids will grow up and be perfect adults and all their hard work will be justified, kids who grow up less than perfect little clones are proof they did something terribly wrong.
These women are voting for a fantasy world the way they want it to be instead of voting people who promise to take on the world as it really is. Ward and June Cleaver have blood on their hands.
I never heard much overt racism from non southerners beyond the fact that we're a nation of immigrants who don't much like immigrants. I suppose the cultural friction also threatened little Johnny and Susie, but it wasn't racist.
Biophilic
(6,405 posts)II was raised in Michigan and lived there most of my life. I was raised in a middle upper class professional family. I honestly didn't start hearing myself and others until I was maybe in my late 30s or 40 forties. It was very hard at first, but gradually got "easier" the more I listened and acknowledged what I and others were saying an doing. I got a lot of resistance, and still do. All I asked people to do was listen to themselves and others. It's a pretty hard thing to acknowledge about one's self. By the way, the university town I was raised in had segregated areas where blacks could live and where they couldn't. I didn't know about that until I rented a house from a town council member. He told me he was the first black to be allowed to live in this particular neighborhood . I think he said in the the late 60s, but it might have been early 70s. Oh, yeah, it's a myth that racism is only found in the south. Once you start listening it becomes very apparent.
Warpy
(114,398 posts)I humbly suggest you look up "overt."
Up north, both blacks and whites were victimized by the collusion between big banks and slumlords, whites pushed out of urban neighborhoods they'd lived in for generations and out to the suburbs, slumlords buying the properties for a song and charging high rents to black and immigrant families while doing no repairs or routine maintenance to the properties. Suh are the roots of resentment there. Otherwise, there would have been the usual pattern of Italian areas, Polish areas, Jewish areas, Chinese aras, and black areas, with Irish people scattered all over the place. So yes, I was unprepared for the flavor of racism up north which is why I looked for the cause. Down south, It wasn't overt, but it was certainly there, but it was covert (look that one up, too), unlike the overt southern variety I'd grown up with.
electric_blue68
(25,979 posts)pointed out an incident told to her by one of the moms in the park while I was out there playing.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,394 posts)
Wiz Imp
(9,021 posts)I can tell you exactly when I became fully aware of how racist so many of the people I grew up with and around were. I played on the school basketball team when I was in 8th grade (I was terrible, but that isn't important). My high school graduating class of about 400 had exactly 1 black kid, a couple kids from India, and a couple of other Asian backgrounds. In other words, over 98% white. One day, we had a game against another school who came to our gym for the game. Turned out, that the opposing team was entirely black kids. Once they came in the gym and both teams started warming up for the game, I heard the most vile and disgusting comments being made by most of the members of my team (not all, but the majority of the team). It literally made me sick. After that, I quit the team and disassociated myself from the team members who made the vile comments. It was really eye opening for me. While I had heard adults express casual racism from time to time, I had never heard kids my own age so freely expressing vile hate speech. Even as a 13 year old white kid, that experience made me realize how hateful and despicable racism can be and I knew I didn't want any part of it. It's a big part of the reason that I left that area when a good job opportunity came up elsewhere. And while I have friends still living in that area, I've never had any desire to move back.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,394 posts)the right kinds of diversity (not TOO much, of course), success for their children, jobs for their husbands -- as long as they don't make common cause with Black people and non-white women. It's not a surprise that lots of white women fall for it; it's a seductive promise.
Uncle Joe
(64,256 posts)
Thanks for the thread UniqueUserName
karynnj
(60,796 posts)As a 75 year old white woman, there has been enormous change, all welcomed by me. There was enormous progress on women's issues, diversity, and gay rights.
Remembering the 1970s, I did meet some less educated married women who resented that women like me "took male jobs". They ignored that we had more education and intelligence to get those positions. It was true that when women and POC could compete for jobs, it meant some of the less successful men did less well than in earlier times.
On the social issues, on nearly every issue I can think of, from our perspective, progress to a fairer society was made. From their perspective, everything was getting worse.
They are voting to turn back the clock. They see Trump as for them and against us. I suspect it will take a lot before they see that while Trump is against us, he doesn't respect them either. He is for himself.
electric_blue68
(25,979 posts)A lot of women's jobs back then - teachers, secretaries, and nurses were the big three. Oh, and maybe by then air line stewardess?
I sort of had a "male" job mid-late '70s though I may have been at the beginning of more women in the publishing, advertising arenas sub-field of paste ups, and mechanicals.
All printed materials before computer graphics were setup with special larger type faces, then mostly galley type (texts), low quality visual place holders for photographs which would be dropped by the printer, and some (if not all) B&W graphic design elements. Probably a place holder for color graphics.
karynnj
(60,796 posts)I was hired by Bell Labs in 1972 and learned programming. They had me get a master's at NYU in applied math on a program the type of which don't exist today, where they paid everything, I worked half time and was paid full time.
I later was mostly doing statistics and operations research.
Your job sounds interesting, especially as I think that was when setting type etc was much more difficult than when the process became computerized.
electric_blue68
(25,979 posts)There are 2 different aspects, as far as I can tell.
And this may be 🚨more than you want to lnow! 😄
Not my experience but at some point there were lino type machines that would have some one typing out a line of text that would be set in metal (line by line), instead of setting individual metal letters for printing purposes. The metal would be melted and reused.
We were following our Art Director 's layouts.
We would get paper sheets of bigger type - headlines, sub heads, then long paper "strips" of column width text we'd either paste down with wax (a wax machine), or rubber cement.
These would be pasted on stiff smooth paper boards with non reproducible blue guide lines.
We'd use a very sharp Exacto blade knife like a scaple to cut to fit the text. When there were problems of (a certain amount of guess work in writing text) the editors would come and have use remove, readjust sentences - taking out words, the affixes, single letters, even (oh, joy! 😄😑 ) apostrophes, and periods! Those last being the teeny work - 1/16 inch!
But at different place instead of bigger type on paper - we would use press type, Lettraset (a brand) that had pre printed letters on a plastic sheet that you'd rub down and off onto the paste boards.
That had to be the most precise to look good! The other was quite precise as well.
Usually paid well. I made about 4x - 6xs minimum wage.
karynnj
(60,796 posts)One type setter showed us how he set one line. Before that some explained about how they had to design the page. The entire thing was both fascinating and complicated.
I can't imagine the precision needed to produce a paper I always took for granted.
electric_blue68
(25,979 posts)We, the pu&m people would be getting our layout instructions from a designer, or Art Director in the Art Department.
There was a different time when I worked for a small catalog house in their photo department setting up jewelry set pieces page by page. They'd be photographed.
Well, the Art Director who designed the layouts up front went on vacation.
My boss (jewelry photographer) knew I'd done design work, and pu&m told the big boss. So guess who got dragged up front to design an 8-10 cataloged. Which I did, and then helped with the pu&m which I hadn't done in x years.
I did manage to get through it. The (not sure) final day - we were aways allowed radio - it was the '86 World Series 7th game Mes vs ____? I finally was able to leave (this was past 5pm)! Got home just in time to see the last 6 plays!
karynnj
(60,796 posts)My husband was a huge Mets fan and he cheered so loud, he woke up our 6 month old, who I was rocking to sleep who had just fallen asleep.
electric_blue68
(25,979 posts)I hope your little one didn't take too long to go back to sleep!
On my way home, I had to change subway trains. At least all I had to do was step out, and wait for the usually next alternating (route) train. Above me was a mezzanine, and some one walked by with a big radio (can't remember I don't think real Boom boxes had been invented yet). I yelled up to see if they had the game on. And, yes, it was still happening!
Out of my station, I had to sort of run, but not so fast that I'd trip down a 2 block modest-medium hill to my apt building.
I went to their ticker parade (Yankees, too). Then after as I was heading north on an avenue to the subway - I ran into my sister 😄🥰 who was heading westward to the avenue I was on to head to the same subway. Our home journeys took partly rhe same route. Pretty high odds. 👍😄 A great afternoon in NYC!
electric_blue68
(25,979 posts)The only only one I did pretty ok in past basics was geometry. Sure it was bc I was a highly visual artist. Algebra, barely! Trig and calculus barely!
Although, funny enough, in ?6th grade (I don't know how long it was taught) we had some lessons learning different ?bases for expressing numbers.
Base ?12, ?8, ?2( which would be binary).
I got that.
markodochartaigh
(5,053 posts)"Remembering the 1970s, I did meet some less educated married women who resented that women like me "'took male jobs'".
Growing up in the 70's in Amarillo I heard bosses say that they would not hire a woman for a (higher paying) "man's" job. Their rationalization was always that a man had a family to feed. I never heard them say that they would pay a man with eight kids more than a man with two kids or that they would pay a woman with four kids doing a "man's" job the same as a man with four kids doing a "man's" job. And it was just assumed that everyone of working age of the working class would be married. Divorce, even among protestants, was very unusual.
milestogo
(22,616 posts)Some women never learn.
Tree Lady
(13,015 posts)Wasn't for religion or foreigners. Both of the women are single, don't own a house and pay high taxes with upper middle income. And they live in CA where rent is very high and state taxes also.
They both don't care about the social part, both are into yoga and are nice to people around them, but looking at their own situation instead the whole country.
And that is what the difference is between democrats and republicans, we care about the whole country, if we all can eat, have healthcare, have clean air. For them it is more if they personally have those things.
kerry-is-my-prez
(10,207 posts)Before, in the 70s and 80’s it was subtle racism in the Republican Party. Most people in the North would be ashamed and embarrassed to be called or thought of as a racist. The more obvious racist actions by politicians would have been sneered at by most people. George Wallace and David Duke were treated like misfits by most people and the media. I’m talking about Michigan in a suburban town. You would not want to admit to voting for George Wallace. Now, there’s a larger number of people who think overt racism is ok. It used to be if some law or policy was considered overtly racist, the great majority of people would think it should be overturned. Part of this was because it was fashionable to be a liberal, and it was the era or peace and love and the hippies were “cool.” Things have changed a lot. Just my opinion….
electric_blue68
(25,979 posts)He garnered resentment from certain white people for supporting progress for Black people, and other and POCs.
From Google:
▪︎Civil rights record: As a congressman, Lindsay had consistently supported civil rights legislation. His mayoral campaign in 1965 made race relations a central issue, and he gained 45% of the Black vote.
▪︎Averting riots: Following the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968, Lindsay is widely credited with helping New York City avoid the devastating riots that occurred in many other cities. He traveled to Harlem, speaking directly to residents to express his sorrow and promise action against poverty, an approach that fostered trust.
▪︎Engaging with minority communities: Lindsay walked the streets of poor neighborhoods regularly during his tenure and established government programs like the Urban Action Task Force to address issues in minority communities. In 1969, he sponsored the Harlem Cultural Festival, and was introduced as "our blue-eyed soul brother".
•Progressive legislation: His administration implemented policies that prohibited discrimination in city employment and housing.
I was 16 in 1969 and worked for Lindsey's reelection. One of only two Liberal Republicans I ever volunteered for. Once a voter at 18 I've only voted for Democrats.
PortTack
(35,815 posts)
obnoxiousdrunk
(3,108 posts)non white women and men vote MAGA ?
electric_blue68
(25,979 posts)