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Pluvious

(5,215 posts)
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:08 PM Oct 24

The Alt National Park Service's response to Trump's unilateral demolition...

Last edited Sat Oct 25, 2025, 12:07 PM - Edit history (3)






Meanwhile (Filipkowski points out) "Burchett is Burchetting again"



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Edit to add: Clarification of who the "Alt NPS" is is kindly provided in the sub-thread replies below beginning at:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220746427#post18

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In regards to the Joint Chiefs...




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The Alt National Park Service's response to Trump's unilateral demolition... (Original Post) Pluvious Oct 24 OP
I have been thinking that very thing Walleye Oct 24 #1
Exactly! pandr32 Oct 25 #53
So the Divine President isn't supposed to just call a guy he knows who has a bulldozer tanyev Oct 24 #2
They won't get stiffed. It's not his money. Marcuse Oct 25 #45
Anyone involved in this needs to be heavily fined and jailed. travelingthrulife Oct 25 #48
Can you imagine the howl of indignation if Presidents Obama or Biden had done this. patphil Oct 24 #3
It's hard to believe... Pluvious Oct 24 #4
So ... it's not odd at all that the evidence of the "Obama Era" construction is a black-and-white photo ??? eppur_se_muova Oct 24 #5
KnR Hekate Oct 24 #6
If only the ALT Naional Park Service were the real PS. Sadly, trump is likely under no obligation to follow tradition. Silent Type Oct 24 #7
Does the OP really think Alt NPS on Facebook is the real NPS? maxsolomon Oct 24 #12
Not just the OP. So many here on DU have been duped for ages by that sus account. Celerity Oct 24 #32
Gawd yeah. But guess if I have to read misinformation or outright distortions, Dems are doing it for good cause. Silent Type Oct 24 #33
Hyperbolic slippery-slope binary speculation is my favorite. maxsolomon Oct 24 #34
It is not a sus account h2ebits Oct 24 #39
Is what they are posting inaccurate? travelingthrulife Oct 25 #49
On The Bright Side modrepub Oct 24 #8
It won't be shoddy. McCrery is a real architect (albeit one with no soul). maxsolomon Oct 24 #13
So Are Contractors modrepub Oct 24 #14
Yes, Clark Construction is a huge General Contractor firm with an extensive portfolio. maxsolomon Oct 24 #22
But they do work without permits so how would you know about the newspapers?l travelingthrulife Oct 25 #51
The Federal Government issues its own permits in DC. maxsolomon Oct 27 #60
Not a real architect if he ignores the permitting process. travelingthrulife Oct 25 #50
The Federal Government permits itself in DC. maxsolomon Oct 27 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Farmer-Rick Oct 25 #52
Look, Clark Construction is not a fly by night GC. maxsolomon Oct 27 #59
Isn't this how Trump has operated with all his building projects Ohioboy Oct 24 #9
Trump's legal battles with Palm Beach over various renovations and changes to Mar-a-Lago are well documented. sop Oct 24 #24
News Flash: NCDem47 Oct 24 #28
Correct. sheshe2 Oct 24 #30
Can someone sue Trump to stop this abomination? Lonestarblue Oct 24 #10
Sure, "someone" could sue. maxsolomon Oct 24 #23
ding. this . AllaN01Bear Oct 24 #11
That's not the NPS. That's an account that grifts on people's hopes that there's a secret resistance in the government WhiskeyGrinder Oct 24 #15
Its supposed to be humorous opposition to Trump maxsolomon Oct 24 #35
I don't donate to grifters. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 24 #37
It's impossible to substitute a wish bone BattleRow Oct 25 #57
Bet they feel stupid for... lame54 Oct 24 #16
"Alt National Park Service"?? MorbidButterflyTat Oct 24 #17
It's how employees and former employees of the NPS are posting evolves Oct 24 #18
Thanks for letting people know about Alt National Park Service. h2ebits Oct 24 #38
No, they are not government employees: Celerity Oct 27 #61
The Alt National Park Service (AltNPS) Twitter account was created in 2017 as a "resistance" effort... QueerDuck Oct 24 #19
Thanks for clearing this up. . . . h2ebits Oct 24 #40
Whatever happens now, whatever replaces the East Wing, destroy it. ffr Oct 24 #20
+1000. Paladin Oct 24 #21
Basically, an enemy HAS burned down the original structure. blue neen Oct 24 #25
Your headline lies. It is NOT the National Park Service. Why lie? What purpose does that serve? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 24 #26
Its a humorous account. maxsolomon Oct 24 #36
Sorry mate... Pluvious Oct 25 #54
Thanks! Stuff happens, and the better among us fix it. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 25 #56
So, Magoo48 Oct 24 #27
Why doesn't he just fucking die already? Orrex Oct 24 #29
+1. If there were a gawd, believe he would have succumbed long ago. Silent Type Oct 24 #41
False title. That problematic account is NOT The National Park Service. Please edit your title. Celerity Oct 24 #31
Done Pluvious Oct 25 #55
Each and Every Dem must call that abomination the EPSTEIN BALLROOM. Justice matters. Oct 24 #42
The reich-wing was way more concerned about a change to the Cracker Barrel logo than the demolition going on. SeattleVet Oct 24 #43
Republicans can't breathe without lying iemanja Oct 25 #44
They're nothing but a bunch of Confederates! n/t ReRe Oct 25 #46
Tim burchett is a royal asshole. spanone Oct 25 #47

Walleye

(43,727 posts)
1. I have been thinking that very thing
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:13 PM
Oct 24

End it occurred to me that when they say preserving heritage what they really mean is slavery and segregation. They don’t care about our own history or culture. They hate it.

pandr32

(13,746 posts)
53. Exactly!
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:13 AM
Oct 25

That and none of the regulations on labor and industry of the Gilded Age where the Robber Barons became obscenely wealthy and powerful.

tanyev

(48,594 posts)
2. So the Divine President isn't supposed to just call a guy he knows who has a bulldozer
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:43 PM
Oct 24

and get him to come by and tear down a historic building? Huh.

Shame on any contractor agreeing to do that without all the proper paperwork in hand. And when they inevitably get stiffed on the bill by Donald Trump, I will have zero tears to shed.


patphil

(8,679 posts)
3. Can you imagine the howl of indignation if Presidents Obama or Biden had done this.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:46 PM
Oct 24

Impeachment proceedings would have already begun and we'd have round the clock coverage of the "carnage" on all the MSM channels.

Yet, the republican party is essentially silent on Trump's rape of the White House.
This shit needs to end now!

Pluvious

(5,215 posts)
4. It's hard to believe...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:04 PM
Oct 24

The Abomination's first year of the term isn't even over yet :-/

eppur_se_muova

(40,900 posts)
5. So ... it's not odd at all that the evidence of the "Obama Era" construction is a black-and-white photo ???
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:05 PM
Oct 24

FFS, ***everyone*** was using digital cameras by then. Color was not some expensive extra. Based on no other evidence at all, that photo has to be from late 60s at best. By that point, journos were taking color pictures and reducing them to B/W for halftone presses while saving the color negatives.

GOPers don't notice because they think EVERYTHING is black and white.








(Cue: Calvin's father explains color vs B/W .... )

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
7. If only the ALT Naional Park Service were the real PS. Sadly, trump is likely under no obligation to follow tradition.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:20 PM
Oct 24

He'll simply say that the traditional process takes 2 years or more to complete, and he is not waiting. trumpsters will feel a flutter in their hearts for the man they love.

maxsolomon

(38,108 posts)
12. Does the OP really think Alt NPS on Facebook is the real NPS?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:50 PM
Oct 24

Last edited Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:32 PM - Edit history (1)

Good lord.

You're right - anytime he flouts convention, rules, norms, expectations, they sit up on their hind legs and applaud. Processes are for Libtards and eggheads.

Celerity

(53,569 posts)
32. Not just the OP. So many here on DU have been duped for ages by that sus account.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:30 PM
Oct 24

Taking a bigger picture outlook, this board is overall far too awash at times in misinformation, disinformation, fake news, RW sourced posts, and dodgy, evidence-free CT.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
33. Gawd yeah. But guess if I have to read misinformation or outright distortions, Dems are doing it for good cause.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:07 PM
Oct 24

trumpsters on the other hand, do it for vile reasons.

modrepub

(3,990 posts)
8. On The Bright Side
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:27 PM
Oct 24

My guess is the new ballroom will be so shoddily built it might actually collapse or catch fire during its inaugural opening.

maxsolomon

(38,108 posts)
13. It won't be shoddy. McCrery is a real architect (albeit one with no soul).
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:52 PM
Oct 24

And the budget has no limit.

modrepub

(3,990 posts)
14. So Are Contractors
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:57 PM
Oct 24

As robust or are they going to be the type that stuff support beams full on old newspapers?

maxsolomon

(38,108 posts)
22. Yes, Clark Construction is a huge General Contractor firm with an extensive portfolio.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:38 PM
Oct 24

They don't "stuff support beams full of old newspapers."

https://www.clarkconstruction.com/

maxsolomon

(38,108 posts)
60. The Federal Government issues its own permits in DC.
Mon Oct 27, 2025, 11:47 AM
Oct 27

That was the 1st thing I looked up when I saw McCrery's 2 renderings. I was shocked.

The DC Municipal Govt has no role. MFer has circumvented any internal Federal processes.

maxsolomon

(38,108 posts)
58. The Federal Government permits itself in DC.
Mon Oct 27, 2025, 11:41 AM
Oct 27

Unfortunately.

As with most things MFer does, there are loopholes big enough to drive a demolition truck through.

Response to maxsolomon (Reply #13)

maxsolomon

(38,108 posts)
59. Look, Clark Construction is not a fly by night GC.
Mon Oct 27, 2025, 11:44 AM
Oct 27

They're not going to hire fly-by-night MEP. There will be inspections, too.

I'm as pissed about this project as anyone, but it's not going to be a poor quality build.

Will it be a derivative pastiche covered in gold leaf? Yes.

Ohioboy

(3,851 posts)
9. Isn't this how Trump has operated with all his building projects
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:29 PM
Oct 24

He goes around the rules.

This is just the demolition. Wait till he starts to build with cheap labor and inferior building materials.
He'll probably end up stiffing the workers in the end too.

sop

(17,319 posts)
24. Trump's legal battles with Palm Beach over various renovations and changes to Mar-a-Lago are well documented.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:44 PM
Oct 24

Everything from the excessive height of a flagpole, the size and placement of a helicopter pad, to the use of his estate as a club/business had to be litigated. Trump never follows the laws.

sheshe2

(95,637 posts)
30. Correct.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:19 PM
Oct 24

He just grabbed America by the East Wing without permission. He was automatically attracted to his plans.of a ballroom. He just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

"Grab them by the EastWing. You can do anything.”

Lonestarblue

(13,200 posts)
10. Can someone sue Trump to stop this abomination?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:48 PM
Oct 24

Republicans will just stand by while he razes the entire White House. Surely some federal judges would bar what he us doing.

maxsolomon

(38,108 posts)
23. Sure, "someone" could sue.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:41 PM
Oct 24

They'd have to demonstrate standing. A federal judge could issue an injunction (not a Trump judge), which would then be ignored while it is fought up to the SCOTUS.

You know what happens then.

MFer won't raze the central portion of the WH. Cover it in gold leaf, sure.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,190 posts)
15. That's not the NPS. That's an account that grifts on people's hopes that there's a secret resistance in the government
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:06 PM
Oct 24

that will save us all.

maxsolomon

(38,108 posts)
35. Its supposed to be humorous opposition to Trump
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:57 PM
Oct 24

How does it "grift"? Have you donated to ANPS?

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,190 posts)
37. I don't donate to grifters.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:12 PM
Oct 24

They’ve heavily implied that they’re an undercover group doing what they can “on the inside,” although they’ve stepped way back from the ridiculous cryptic social media posts in recent months (“Six. Twenty-five. Nine.”). They sell merch on their website.

evolves

(5,730 posts)
18. It's how employees and former employees of the NPS are posting
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:18 PM
Oct 24

now that the actual NPS website has been overtaken by the current incompetant administration.

h2ebits

(967 posts)
38. Thanks for letting people know about Alt National Park Service.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:21 PM
Oct 24
They've been posting on Facebook since Elon Musk eviscerated them.
Per another post, AltNPS was created in 2017 during Trump's first term in office. I didn't discover them on Facebook until after Elon Musk had eviscerated the department.

What I don't understand is the caustic comments on this thread by people just because. . . .

If you read the post, they have outlined the process and, as I understand it, the White House is under the auspices of the National Park Service.

Perhaps the original post should be re-titled as "The Alt National Park Service's response to Trump's unilateral demolition..."

Celerity

(53,569 posts)
61. No, they are not government employees:
Mon Oct 27, 2025, 01:20 PM
Oct 27
This is from early 2017:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/alternate-national-parks-service-explains-why-its-twitter-will-remain-anonymous/

Update, Jan. 28: After this story’s publication, the owners of @AltNatParkSer changed their Twitter handle to @NotAltWorld. “We are not members of any US government agency. We support those who do, in particular those who work in the science and environmental depts. From now on, this account will work to help spread scientific news & issues around the world. We ask our colleagues to do the same,” they wrote on Twitter yesterday.

The account also tweeted: “We’ve handed the mantle of promoting the ALT National Park Service’s work over to @ALTUSNPS. They are to raise funds for @NatlParkService.”

@ALTUSNPS also does not appear to be run by government employees, and claims to be selling merchandise to “raise awareness [and] funds.”

QueerDuck

(911 posts)
19. The Alt National Park Service (AltNPS) Twitter account was created in 2017 as a "resistance" effort...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:20 PM
Oct 24

The Alt National Park Service (AltNPS) Twitter account was created in 2017 as a "resistance" effort in response to the Trump administration imposing social media restrictions on official government agencies. The account and movement aimed to continue disseminating scientific facts and environmental information that they felt was being suppressed.

Origin and purpose

Context: Shortly after the first inauguration of Donald Trump in January 2017, federal agencies were ordered to halt all social media posting. This occurred after the official National Park Service (NPS) account retweeted messages comparing the crowd size at Trump's inauguration to Barack Obama's.

"Rogue" accounts emerge: In the wake of the gag order, unofficial or "rogue" accounts emerged on social media. The AltNPS account was created by what it described as an anonymous network of NPS employees and their allies to speak out against environmental policy changes. Other "Alt" accounts for agencies like the EPA and NASA also appeared.

h2ebits

(967 posts)
40. Thanks for clearing this up. . . .
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:28 PM
Oct 24

Some of the people on this board just attack without thought and then pile on.

ffr

(23,322 posts)
20. Whatever happens now, whatever replaces the East Wing, destroy it.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:23 PM
Oct 24

A.S.A.P.

Restore the East Wing, even if only cosmetically, as if, an enemy had burned down the original structure.

blue neen

(12,465 posts)
25. Basically, an enemy HAS burned down the original structure.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:47 PM
Oct 24

What’s it going to take to wake up Republicans up?

Pluvious

(5,215 posts)
54. Sorry mate...
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:16 AM
Oct 25

I posted it in a rush out the house, I just learned of my unintended oversight and updated the title and added a note to the post

Peace be upon you

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
56. Thanks! Stuff happens, and the better among us fix it.
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:24 AM
Oct 25

Kudos to you for handling it gracefully. (Stuff happens with me too and I hope I can gracefully fix it when notified.)

Magoo48

(6,687 posts)
27. So,
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:56 PM
Oct 24

We loan the Orange Cartoon-Character our house for 4 years, everything on our fucking dime, and he rips down a third of it. Then, he bribes a bunch of rich chumps to pay for the erection of a guilted, dime a ticket dancehall.

What ya wanna bet We the People end up paying for the entire fucking thing and the lawsuits which will blossom around it like mushrooms out of cowshit.

Celerity

(53,569 posts)
31. False title. That problematic account is NOT The National Park Service. Please edit your title.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:24 PM
Oct 24

SeattleVet

(5,820 posts)
43. The reich-wing was way more concerned about a change to the Cracker Barrel logo than the demolition going on.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:52 PM
Oct 24

Priorities, you know.

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