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Pluvious

(5,361 posts)
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:08 PM Oct 2025

The Alt National Park Service's response to Trump's unilateral demolition...

Last edited Sat Oct 25, 2025, 12:07 PM - Edit history (3)






Meanwhile (Filipkowski points out) "Burchett is Burchetting again"



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Edit to add: Clarification of who the "Alt NPS" is is kindly provided in the sub-thread replies below beginning at:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220746427#post18

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In regards to the Joint Chiefs...




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The Alt National Park Service's response to Trump's unilateral demolition... (Original Post) Pluvious Oct 2025 OP
I have been thinking that very thing Walleye Oct 2025 #1
Exactly! pandr32 Oct 2025 #53
So the Divine President isn't supposed to just call a guy he knows who has a bulldozer tanyev Oct 2025 #2
They won't get stiffed. It's not his money. Marcuse Oct 2025 #45
Anyone involved in this needs to be heavily fined and jailed. travelingthrulife Oct 2025 #48
Can you imagine the howl of indignation if Presidents Obama or Biden had done this. patphil Oct 2025 #3
It's hard to believe... Pluvious Oct 2025 #4
So ... it's not odd at all that the evidence of the "Obama Era" construction is a black-and-white photo ??? eppur_se_muova Oct 2025 #5
KnR Hekate Oct 2025 #6
If only the ALT Naional Park Service were the real PS. Sadly, trump is likely under no obligation to follow tradition. Silent Type Oct 2025 #7
Does the OP really think Alt NPS on Facebook is the real NPS? maxsolomon Oct 2025 #12
Not just the OP. So many here on DU have been duped for ages by that sus account. Celerity Oct 2025 #32
Gawd yeah. But guess if I have to read misinformation or outright distortions, Dems are doing it for good cause. Silent Type Oct 2025 #33
Hyperbolic slippery-slope binary speculation is my favorite. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #34
It is not a sus account h2ebits Oct 2025 #39
Is what they are posting inaccurate? travelingthrulife Oct 2025 #49
On The Bright Side modrepub Oct 2025 #8
It won't be shoddy. McCrery is a real architect (albeit one with no soul). maxsolomon Oct 2025 #13
So Are Contractors modrepub Oct 2025 #14
Yes, Clark Construction is a huge General Contractor firm with an extensive portfolio. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #22
But they do work without permits so how would you know about the newspapers?l travelingthrulife Oct 2025 #51
The Federal Government issues its own permits in DC. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #60
Not a real architect if he ignores the permitting process. travelingthrulife Oct 2025 #50
The Federal Government permits itself in DC. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Farmer-Rick Oct 2025 #52
Look, Clark Construction is not a fly by night GC. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #59
Isn't this how Trump has operated with all his building projects Ohioboy Oct 2025 #9
Trump's legal battles with Palm Beach over various renovations and changes to Mar-a-Lago are well documented. sop Oct 2025 #24
News Flash: NCDem47 Oct 2025 #28
Correct. sheshe2 Oct 2025 #30
Can someone sue Trump to stop this abomination? Lonestarblue Oct 2025 #10
Sure, "someone" could sue. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #23
ding. this . AllaN01Bear Oct 2025 #11
That's not the NPS. That's an account that grifts on people's hopes that there's a secret resistance in the government WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2025 #15
Its supposed to be humorous opposition to Trump maxsolomon Oct 2025 #35
I don't donate to grifters. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2025 #37
It's impossible to substitute a wish bone BattleRow Oct 2025 #57
Bet they feel stupid for... lame54 Oct 2025 #16
"Alt National Park Service"?? MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2025 #17
It's how employees and former employees of the NPS are posting evolves Oct 2025 #18
Thanks for letting people know about Alt National Park Service. h2ebits Oct 2025 #38
No, they are not government employees: Celerity Oct 2025 #61
The Alt National Park Service (AltNPS) Twitter account was created in 2017 as a "resistance" effort... QueerDuck Oct 2025 #19
Thanks for clearing this up. . . . h2ebits Oct 2025 #40
Whatever happens now, whatever replaces the East Wing, destroy it. ffr Oct 2025 #20
+1000. Paladin Oct 2025 #21
Basically, an enemy HAS burned down the original structure. blue neen Oct 2025 #25
Your headline lies. It is NOT the National Park Service. Why lie? What purpose does that serve? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #26
Its a humorous account. maxsolomon Oct 2025 #36
Sorry mate... Pluvious Oct 2025 #54
Thanks! Stuff happens, and the better among us fix it. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2025 #56
So, Magoo48 Oct 2025 #27
Why doesn't he just fucking die already? Orrex Oct 2025 #29
+1. If there were a gawd, believe he would have succumbed long ago. Silent Type Oct 2025 #41
False title. That problematic account is NOT The National Park Service. Please edit your title. Celerity Oct 2025 #31
Done Pluvious Oct 2025 #55
Each and Every Dem must call that abomination the EPSTEIN BALLROOM. Justice matters. Oct 2025 #42
The reich-wing was way more concerned about a change to the Cracker Barrel logo than the demolition going on. SeattleVet Oct 2025 #43
Republicans can't breathe without lying iemanja Oct 2025 #44
They're nothing but a bunch of Confederates! n/t ReRe Oct 2025 #46
Tim burchett is a royal asshole. spanone Oct 2025 #47

Walleye

(44,370 posts)
1. I have been thinking that very thing
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:13 PM
Oct 2025

End it occurred to me that when they say preserving heritage what they really mean is slavery and segregation. They don’t care about our own history or culture. They hate it.

pandr32

(14,127 posts)
53. Exactly!
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:13 AM
Oct 2025

That and none of the regulations on labor and industry of the Gilded Age where the Robber Barons became obscenely wealthy and powerful.

tanyev

(49,036 posts)
2. So the Divine President isn't supposed to just call a guy he knows who has a bulldozer
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:43 PM
Oct 2025

and get him to come by and tear down a historic building? Huh.

Shame on any contractor agreeing to do that without all the proper paperwork in hand. And when they inevitably get stiffed on the bill by Donald Trump, I will have zero tears to shed.


patphil

(8,926 posts)
3. Can you imagine the howl of indignation if Presidents Obama or Biden had done this.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 12:46 PM
Oct 2025

Impeachment proceedings would have already begun and we'd have round the clock coverage of the "carnage" on all the MSM channels.

Yet, the republican party is essentially silent on Trump's rape of the White House.
This shit needs to end now!

Pluvious

(5,361 posts)
4. It's hard to believe...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:04 PM
Oct 2025

The Abomination's first year of the term isn't even over yet :-/

eppur_se_muova

(41,597 posts)
5. So ... it's not odd at all that the evidence of the "Obama Era" construction is a black-and-white photo ???
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:05 PM
Oct 2025

FFS, ***everyone*** was using digital cameras by then. Color was not some expensive extra. Based on no other evidence at all, that photo has to be from late 60s at best. By that point, journos were taking color pictures and reducing them to B/W for halftone presses while saving the color negatives.

GOPers don't notice because they think EVERYTHING is black and white.








(Cue: Calvin's father explains color vs B/W .... )

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
7. If only the ALT Naional Park Service were the real PS. Sadly, trump is likely under no obligation to follow tradition.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:20 PM
Oct 2025

He'll simply say that the traditional process takes 2 years or more to complete, and he is not waiting. trumpsters will feel a flutter in their hearts for the man they love.

maxsolomon

(38,525 posts)
12. Does the OP really think Alt NPS on Facebook is the real NPS?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:50 PM
Oct 2025

Last edited Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:32 PM - Edit history (1)

Good lord.

You're right - anytime he flouts convention, rules, norms, expectations, they sit up on their hind legs and applaud. Processes are for Libtards and eggheads.

Celerity

(54,052 posts)
32. Not just the OP. So many here on DU have been duped for ages by that sus account.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:30 PM
Oct 2025

Taking a bigger picture outlook, this board is overall far too awash at times in misinformation, disinformation, fake news, RW sourced posts, and dodgy, evidence-free CT.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
33. Gawd yeah. But guess if I have to read misinformation or outright distortions, Dems are doing it for good cause.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:07 PM
Oct 2025

trumpsters on the other hand, do it for vile reasons.

modrepub

(4,039 posts)
8. On The Bright Side
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:27 PM
Oct 2025

My guess is the new ballroom will be so shoddily built it might actually collapse or catch fire during its inaugural opening.

maxsolomon

(38,525 posts)
13. It won't be shoddy. McCrery is a real architect (albeit one with no soul).
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:52 PM
Oct 2025

And the budget has no limit.

modrepub

(4,039 posts)
14. So Are Contractors
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:57 PM
Oct 2025

As robust or are they going to be the type that stuff support beams full on old newspapers?

maxsolomon

(38,525 posts)
22. Yes, Clark Construction is a huge General Contractor firm with an extensive portfolio.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:38 PM
Oct 2025

They don't "stuff support beams full of old newspapers."

https://www.clarkconstruction.com/

maxsolomon

(38,525 posts)
60. The Federal Government issues its own permits in DC.
Mon Oct 27, 2025, 11:47 AM
Oct 2025

That was the 1st thing I looked up when I saw McCrery's 2 renderings. I was shocked.

The DC Municipal Govt has no role. MFer has circumvented any internal Federal processes.

maxsolomon

(38,525 posts)
58. The Federal Government permits itself in DC.
Mon Oct 27, 2025, 11:41 AM
Oct 2025

Unfortunately.

As with most things MFer does, there are loopholes big enough to drive a demolition truck through.

Response to maxsolomon (Reply #13)

maxsolomon

(38,525 posts)
59. Look, Clark Construction is not a fly by night GC.
Mon Oct 27, 2025, 11:44 AM
Oct 2025

They're not going to hire fly-by-night MEP. There will be inspections, too.

I'm as pissed about this project as anyone, but it's not going to be a poor quality build.

Will it be a derivative pastiche covered in gold leaf? Yes.

Ohioboy

(3,883 posts)
9. Isn't this how Trump has operated with all his building projects
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:29 PM
Oct 2025

He goes around the rules.

This is just the demolition. Wait till he starts to build with cheap labor and inferior building materials.
He'll probably end up stiffing the workers in the end too.

sop

(18,218 posts)
24. Trump's legal battles with Palm Beach over various renovations and changes to Mar-a-Lago are well documented.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:44 PM
Oct 2025

Everything from the excessive height of a flagpole, the size and placement of a helicopter pad, to the use of his estate as a club/business had to be litigated. Trump never follows the laws.

sheshe2

(96,984 posts)
30. Correct.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:19 PM
Oct 2025

He just grabbed America by the East Wing without permission. He was automatically attracted to his plans.of a ballroom. He just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

"Grab them by the EastWing. You can do anything.”

Lonestarblue

(13,400 posts)
10. Can someone sue Trump to stop this abomination?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 01:48 PM
Oct 2025

Republicans will just stand by while he razes the entire White House. Surely some federal judges would bar what he us doing.

maxsolomon

(38,525 posts)
23. Sure, "someone" could sue.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:41 PM
Oct 2025

They'd have to demonstrate standing. A federal judge could issue an injunction (not a Trump judge), which would then be ignored while it is fought up to the SCOTUS.

You know what happens then.

MFer won't raze the central portion of the WH. Cover it in gold leaf, sure.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,796 posts)
15. That's not the NPS. That's an account that grifts on people's hopes that there's a secret resistance in the government
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:06 PM
Oct 2025

that will save us all.

maxsolomon

(38,525 posts)
35. Its supposed to be humorous opposition to Trump
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:57 PM
Oct 2025

How does it "grift"? Have you donated to ANPS?

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,796 posts)
37. I don't donate to grifters.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:12 PM
Oct 2025

They’ve heavily implied that they’re an undercover group doing what they can “on the inside,” although they’ve stepped way back from the ridiculous cryptic social media posts in recent months (“Six. Twenty-five. Nine.”). They sell merch on their website.

evolves

(5,816 posts)
18. It's how employees and former employees of the NPS are posting
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:18 PM
Oct 2025

now that the actual NPS website has been overtaken by the current incompetant administration.

h2ebits

(993 posts)
38. Thanks for letting people know about Alt National Park Service.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:21 PM
Oct 2025
They've been posting on Facebook since Elon Musk eviscerated them.
Per another post, AltNPS was created in 2017 during Trump's first term in office. I didn't discover them on Facebook until after Elon Musk had eviscerated the department.

What I don't understand is the caustic comments on this thread by people just because. . . .

If you read the post, they have outlined the process and, as I understand it, the White House is under the auspices of the National Park Service.

Perhaps the original post should be re-titled as "The Alt National Park Service's response to Trump's unilateral demolition..."

Celerity

(54,052 posts)
61. No, they are not government employees:
Mon Oct 27, 2025, 01:20 PM
Oct 2025
This is from early 2017:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/alternate-national-parks-service-explains-why-its-twitter-will-remain-anonymous/

Update, Jan. 28: After this story’s publication, the owners of @AltNatParkSer changed their Twitter handle to @NotAltWorld. “We are not members of any US government agency. We support those who do, in particular those who work in the science and environmental depts. From now on, this account will work to help spread scientific news & issues around the world. We ask our colleagues to do the same,” they wrote on Twitter yesterday.

The account also tweeted: “We’ve handed the mantle of promoting the ALT National Park Service’s work over to @ALTUSNPS. They are to raise funds for @NatlParkService.”

@ALTUSNPS also does not appear to be run by government employees, and claims to be selling merchandise to “raise awareness [and] funds.”

QueerDuck

(1,418 posts)
19. The Alt National Park Service (AltNPS) Twitter account was created in 2017 as a "resistance" effort...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:20 PM
Oct 2025

The Alt National Park Service (AltNPS) Twitter account was created in 2017 as a "resistance" effort in response to the Trump administration imposing social media restrictions on official government agencies. The account and movement aimed to continue disseminating scientific facts and environmental information that they felt was being suppressed.

Origin and purpose

Context: Shortly after the first inauguration of Donald Trump in January 2017, federal agencies were ordered to halt all social media posting. This occurred after the official National Park Service (NPS) account retweeted messages comparing the crowd size at Trump's inauguration to Barack Obama's.

"Rogue" accounts emerge: In the wake of the gag order, unofficial or "rogue" accounts emerged on social media. The AltNPS account was created by what it described as an anonymous network of NPS employees and their allies to speak out against environmental policy changes. Other "Alt" accounts for agencies like the EPA and NASA also appeared.

h2ebits

(993 posts)
40. Thanks for clearing this up. . . .
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:28 PM
Oct 2025

Some of the people on this board just attack without thought and then pile on.

ffr

(23,349 posts)
20. Whatever happens now, whatever replaces the East Wing, destroy it.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:23 PM
Oct 2025

A.S.A.P.

Restore the East Wing, even if only cosmetically, as if, an enemy had burned down the original structure.

blue neen

(12,465 posts)
25. Basically, an enemy HAS burned down the original structure.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:47 PM
Oct 2025

What’s it going to take to wake up Republicans up?

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
26. Your headline lies. It is NOT the National Park Service. Why lie? What purpose does that serve?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:49 PM
Oct 2025

Pluvious

(5,361 posts)
54. Sorry mate...
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:16 AM
Oct 2025

I posted it in a rush out the house, I just learned of my unintended oversight and updated the title and added a note to the post

Peace be upon you

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
56. Thanks! Stuff happens, and the better among us fix it.
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 11:24 AM
Oct 2025

Kudos to you for handling it gracefully. (Stuff happens with me too and I hope I can gracefully fix it when notified.)

Magoo48

(6,714 posts)
27. So,
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 02:56 PM
Oct 2025

We loan the Orange Cartoon-Character our house for 4 years, everything on our fucking dime, and he rips down a third of it. Then, he bribes a bunch of rich chumps to pay for the erection of a guilted, dime a ticket dancehall.

What ya wanna bet We the People end up paying for the entire fucking thing and the lawsuits which will blossom around it like mushrooms out of cowshit.

Celerity

(54,052 posts)
31. False title. That problematic account is NOT The National Park Service. Please edit your title.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:24 PM
Oct 2025

SeattleVet

(5,872 posts)
43. The reich-wing was way more concerned about a change to the Cracker Barrel logo than the demolition going on.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:52 PM
Oct 2025

Priorities, you know.

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