ACA Subsidies

[angrychair]

The thing they don't realize is that the Republicans made Democrats blink and now they have them by the balls.
They can offer up as little as they want on subsidies and force Democrats into the same position as now, "take it or leave it".
"Take this or millions will die" and that's it.

They literally signed the death certificate of millions of people.

[Silent Type]

1. Certainly a possibility. But there are a number of GOPers who were getting heat in their districts to do

something. While it’s sad those covered under enhanced ACA could lose coverage, the ACA that was in place before COVID is still intact. That’s some small consolation if we can’t drum up enough help to get at last some subsidies for enhanced coverage.

[angrychair]

2. It's not

I have talked over a dozen people and not a single person has seen anything less than a quadrupling of their premiums.

[Silent Type]

10. That's not true for those with original ACA. If their premiums quadrupled, they were getting enhanced subsidies.

It’s bad, either way.

[MontanaMama]

3. Without the subsidies

insurance for my husband and me goes from $230 a month to $2526 per month with a $10,000 per person deductible. We were paying these rates when we had our small business for the last 30 years. Now we are retired without the income to pay these premiums. $2526 is more than my mortgage and all household bills combined. I am hopeless.

[Doodley]

9. Depends on what state you are in and if you are likely to use much healthcare. Mine goes from $20 to over $1000.

[Doodley]

14. Are you trolling?

[Happy Hoosier]

20. You joined yesterday And calling people trolls?

Dial it back.

[Bobstandard]

26. No , he's trolling.

[MontanaMama]

18. Oh it's trolling alright.

And badly to boot.

[iemanja]

22. They joined yesterday.

[MontanaMama]

25. Short lived most likely. n/t

[StarryNite]

56. Suddenly I'm craving pizza.

We'll see how far this goes before it's time for some Tombstone.

[ShazzieB]

73. And this isn't the only post where they're doing it.🤔

[Skittles]

19. LOL

sure, bro

[iemanja]

21. People on the high end don't use ACA

It’s a safety net. Your rates will go up.

[iemanja]

32. Putting faith in Trump isn't wise

Especially if your income is low.

[mzmolly]

50. The ACA helped those with pre-existing conditions

gain access to care. Please research what the law involved, before engaging in discussion.

[mzmolly]

61. You are out of touch with healthcare costs

and why the ACA was able to work.

[iemanja]

63. The GOP defunded it in the big ugly bill

That, as every Democrat and honest person agrees, is the problem.

[iemanja]

65. Yes, they didn't extend them

which means they are cut. The goal is to enrich the insurance companies and drive people like you bankrupt.

I don’t need the ACA because I have good insurance from my work, but I benefit from many provisions in the bill. Trump has announced that he wants his lickspittle in Congress to end it. Strangely, even though I don’t use ACA, I care about those affected more than you do.

Your proposal that it should be cut off to everyone making over $40k is shocking. It shows no understanding of medical costs for severe or chronic illnesses and the rate at which people were going bankrupt before ACA.

No one here thinks ACA is perfect. Most support single payer. That, however, is not Trump’s solution.

Your admiration of MAGA is badly misplaced. They are working to enrich billionaires at the expense of your health and ability to feed yourself. Why are you so anxious to further enrich the wealthiest Americans and line Trump’s pockets?

[iemanja]

67. Which wealthy people get subsidies?

[iemanja]

69. That is less than the median US income

Which is $83,700. $60k is not close to wealthy.

https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2025/demo/p60-286.html

“To you” is irrelevant. There is actually data on household incomes.

[rampartd]

79. "working" is relative

for many people the aca was necessary, though not sufficient. the aca delayed the collapse of the system by about a decade

medicare is, of course, the pot of money that trump really wants. who is going to stop him?

[MontanaMama]

17. Well bless your heart.

“Shop around the marketplace or something.”? Are you kidding me?

First, you don’t deserve it, but let me humor you. The age of Medicare eligibility is 65. I am younger than 65 and so is my spouse. Why are we retired? We owned a business for 38 years that we are closing.

Second, I don’t know where you live, but I live in Montana. There are TWO insurance corporations that offer plans to individuals and families in my state including the marketplace. Two companies means ZERO competition.

“This is just extra subsidies “? What does that even mean? Good grief.

[Sparkly]

38. That is not true.

It is not only the "enhanced" subsidies. Those are expiring. The standard ACA subsidies are also at risk. The preznit is already yammering about it -- as usual, without ANY real plans in mind, just "something better."

The working class and children -- the people whose labor and purchasing fuels the economy and makes the fat cats FAT - mean nothing to Republicans. It seems the more desperate they are, the better - as long as they can delude them into thinking it's all the Democrats' fault.

Infuriating.

[Sparkly]

40. "Trump Renews Attacks on Obamacare in New Push Over Government Shutdown"

From the NYTimes today:

Through social media posts, the president renewed his attacks on the Affordable Care Act, commonly called Obamacare, which he has spent years assailing and promising to replace, but to no avail. Mr. Trump suggested that premiums for consumers and share prices for insurers had risen too much in the 15 years since the law passed, and he was ready to work on a solution — if Democrats reopened the government first.

“I stand ready to work with both Parties to solve this problem once the Government is open,” he wrote on Sunday.

Mr. Trump has insisted for more than a month that Democrats sign on to a Republican measure to reopen the government, without the concessions they have sought on health programs, including the subsidies. On Friday, Democrats substantially scaled back their demands, saying they would be willing to reopen the government in exchange for a one-year extension, but Republicans quickly rejected the offer.

We KNOW Republicans have been set on repealing the ACA for years. This is all part of the same thing.

[Cirsium]

58. "...or something."

I loved that part.

[Bobstandard]

29. Look at this. The guy who joined yesterday calling us liars

Troll for sure.

[angrychair]

6. I am so sorry MM

Truly my heart breaks for you and your husband and everyone else.
I still have employer healthcare but what so many fail to realize is that they are all tied together. Employer provided insurance will collapse just as quickly as the ACA

[MontanaMama]

30. Thanks

for your kind words and the thread.

You are correct. It’s all tied together. Employer sponsored insurance will be the last to tumble but it will go down eventually. We’re in trouble when it comes to health insurance. The rethugs have all but guaranteed that. Meanwhile, they continue to enjoy tax payer funded health insurance.

[Bettie]

92. I'm so sorry

that this is happening to you and others.

[Bettie]

5. There won't be subsidies anymore

and, now that they know they can count on a particular group of Dems to do as they are told, the ACA will very likely to be gone before the end of first quarter of next year, maybe even by the end of this year.

We'll see the very same ones who voted for this voting for the end of the ACA before too long, with some solemn pronouncements about going along to get along or something.

[angrychair]

7. Exactly.

Now they know what buttons to push to ensure compliance.

[Bettie]

8. And they know who will

just do as they are told. Honestly, they don't even need to press the buttons anymore, just tell them what they want and it gets done.

[Doodley]

12. Correct. This is about more than healthcare. We have a terrorist in the White House who is systematically

destroying America, and if Democrats can't stand up to that, who the hell can?

[yellow dahlia]

33. And holding American citizens hostage.

And when he doesn't get what he wants, he starts killing the hostages - one by one...or thousands at a time.

[JustAnotherGen]

88. These two met with Thune last Tuesday

Jeanne Shaheen NH - D
Sen. Angus King - VT - I


We look weak and feckless.

[mvd]

13. I don't see how we can think they'll even vote

Dump can rant on Lies Social and say “fake vote” and they’ll cave. I really do need my SNAP, but I feel it was coming because we are right legally. Meanwhile health care goes way up for so many.

[mzmolly]

15. People will know who voted to extend subsidies

and who did not.

[edhopper]

23. You really think people know how Reps vote?

They don't even know who passes laws. Half don't know which Party is in power

[mzmolly]

44. We have to let them

know. Election by election. State by state. R’s will now own healthcare.

Thus is a disturbing and disappointing situation, regardless.

[BigmanPigman]

28. Mine is going to increase from $194 a month to $1,200

That is 33% of my income after taxes and I live in expensive CA.

I am NOT happy yet I am not surprised. I am a realist.

I wonder how (or IF) the MSM is going to report the number of suicides as a result of this BS. When people are broke, sick, in pain, tired, frustrated, no hope, etc they simply quit. Many people who have medical issues will be considering this option.

[BigmanPigman]

35. Well, it IS a fact!

Should I send you copies of my ACA bills from 2013 to 2025? Why are you arguing over this? You are wasting my time. Bye!

[karynnj]

43. You think that is "well off" in CA?

A third of your income on medical insurance premiums is very high.

[Hope22]

55. Well in the olden days before health insurance was privatized maybe.

The question is, how long will people live without health insurance. We are talking about the collapse of society as we know it. The people who had insurance were keeping the docs and medical system afloat in some form. We’re talking about closures of facility after facility. Everyone but the wealthy will be locked out and only then at special facilities.

[Hope22]

59. Small business has been held hostage to the health insurance industry since the early eighties.

Eventually many had to stop offering insurance. By the time the ACA came along it was the only lifeline. Before that Preexisting conditions precluded many from insurance at all. When the ACA goes many will be uninsurable. Right now the ACA is written that everyone must have insurance. Expect those who can’t afford it to be sent to a camp or erased. . It seems to be a pattern

[iemanja]

70. You don't seem to understand the point of the law

In civilized states, the poorest Americans receive Medicaid, or they will until 2026. In my state, a household of two is eligible for Medicaid if they make less than $43k. The poorest Americans don’t need ACA. It’s middle incomes that do. ACA’s purpose is to lower insurance costs and to keep Americans from going bankrupt because they get ill. It’s not perfect by any means, but it was the best they could get at the time. If the electorate had the good sense to vote for Democrats in sufficient numbers at the federal level, it could be greatly improved. Instead, they’ve put Trump and his party of MAGAT clowns in power, and all they do is shit all over ACA while offering no substitution. They don’t give a shit if you die. Trump laughs at his supporters because they are stupid enough to believe he gives a damn about them.

Meanwhile, they funnel government subsidies to billionaires, but you don’t complain about that. Instead you resent anyone making $41K not going bankrupt.

[ShazzieB]

74. You need to stop. Seriously.

As a brand new member of DU, you are starting off on the wrong foot.

If you're deliberately trying to antagonize people, you are definitely succeeding.

[ShazzieB]

78. Oh, so THAT's what you think you're doing.

Funny, you could have fooled me.

[mzmolly]

46. 3,600.00

a month is well off?

[mzmolly]

48. That is absurd.

The poor have medicaid. The ACA helped the middle class. No one should pay 1/3 of their income for healthcare.

[mzmolly]

52. You are ignorant on the subject of the discussion

you are engaging in.

Fox viewer?

[mzmolly]

54. Fox viewer?

Musk fan? MAGA?

If the bullshit talking points fit …

[ShazzieB]

76. Oh. My. God.

Middle class can pay their way.

[ShazzieB]

81. Oh, ffs.

$50-100k is middle class, not wealthy.

I say this as an old fart on social security. Until we both retired, my husband and I used to have an income in that range, and we weren't even almost "wealthy.'

What a sick joke.

[OrwellwasRight]

82. Nobody takes it but "ghetto docs"???

What does that even mean? Please be explicit.

[OrwellwasRight]

86. That's not an answer.

We don’t spew racist or anti-poor innuendo on DU. If that isn’t what you meant to do, please explain what you did mean.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

37. Did grok write this for you?

[ChicagoTeamster]

42. Republican politicos in MAGA America should now fear the wrath of their spurned followers.

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They live in gun country. As more young white males raised around firearms lose their jobs, lose loved ones to preventable deaths because of the absence of health care, and lose loved ones to increased crime and substance abuse due to the despair caused by the loss of life options for upward mobility, those responsible will be more likely to be targeted. In Blue areas they would be protested and roasted but in Red areas they cultivated a culture that they thought would target the people they scapegoated but their constituents aren't stupid. They know who sold them out.

[TheRealNorth]

60. I have one family member and one friend.....

Who are literally fucked. I am praying that they don't have a medical emergency that either kills them because they won't have necessary preventative/maintenance care or are bankrupted.

[pat_k]

72. The concession is reportedly that the ACA bill sent to the floor will be one drafted and negotiated by Senate Democrats

[BlueTsunami2018]

89. And then they'll promptly vote against it.

So…yay….I guess.

[OrwellwasRight]

84. The only bright side of all this is that it

Exposes the fundamental flaw of the ACA, which is that it was just a bill to guarantee insurance companies more customers. It was never going to effectively control costs or ensure that every American could access health care (as opposed to health insurance). The healthcare sector is a market in failure. It does not work, and I defy anyone to prove that it does.

It is past time for a real public health care system, and maybe we will eventually get it.

As Churchill said, you can count on Americans to do the right thing, once they’ve tried everything else.

In the meantime, people will continue to struggle and suffer and go into debt and forgo lifesaving care.

[Emile]

90. If it wasn't for Centrists, we could of had a public option

when they passed the ACA.

Now all we have is Trump laughing his ass off.

[OrwellwasRight]

91. By the way, a public "option" is centrist.

The public option was just a choice qualifying people and firms could make when faced with all the plans in the ACA marketplace. I would not have been all encompassing.

The progressive idea was a universal single-payer plan, like “Medicare for All.” A fully public health system (like the UK) could perhaps be described as the radical left position. And there was substantial support in the House for Medicare for All.

So let’s be clear what was killed in the ACA debate. A moderate, fully centrist option was killed in favor of a plan that relies wholly on heavily subsidizing the private sector. Aside from the Medicaid expansion portion of the ACA, it is a 100 % right of center plan (moderately right of center, but right of center nonetheless). It’s Romneycare, cheese and rice.