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US HOUSE SPEAKER JOHNSON SAID HE WON'T COMMIT TO A VOTE ON ACA SUBSIDIES (Original Post) In It to Win It Nov 2025 OP
Yeah SSJVegeta Nov 2025 #1
To the surprise to NO ONE! NotHardly Nov 2025 #40
Yup again SSJVegeta Nov 2025 #48
Shocking, indeed. dalton99a Nov 2025 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #3
why do we blame Dems for this? edisdead Nov 2025 #35
Because it's worth fighting for? BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #37
We predicted something like this, FoxNewsSucks Nov 2025 #38
How was the shutdown helping? LR3 Nov 2025 #39
TY! nt Cha Nov 2025 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 Nov 2025 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 2025 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 Nov 2025 #59
Wow!!! MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #4
Only 50,000 Americans will die per year, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #7
How would continuing the shutdown have Boo1 Nov 2025 #17
It would have put more pressure on the fascists but now that we rolled over and play dead they can do whatever nt yaesu Nov 2025 #18
Would it have? Boo1 Nov 2025 #49
Only ten of millions would have died with a permanent shutdown. Justice matters. Nov 2025 #42
7 Dems. 1 Ind. niyad Nov 2025 #26
Correct. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2025 #27
Meh... 2naSalit Nov 2025 #5
MTG is not on our side. CentralMass Nov 2025 #30
I think... 2naSalit Nov 2025 #43
Duh. nt TBF Nov 2025 #6
But, but pinkie promise?! leftstreet Nov 2025 #8
What pinkie promise? FHRRK Nov 2025 #52
Never. Could. Have. Predicted. durablend Nov 2025 #9
+1. It's totally out of character for Trump's little puppet dalton99a Nov 2025 #10
but, at least the dems are trying to govern. Emile Nov 2025 #11
One cave at a time.... durablend Nov 2025 #12
Never saw that coming. Baitball Blogger Nov 2025 #13
Krasnov hates Barack Obama with a passion, gab13by13 Nov 2025 #14
DuHuHuHuHuHuHu Takket Nov 2025 #15
Not surprised JustAnotherGen Nov 2025 #16
So it never occurred to have Thune have dip shit at least make the fake promise? FFS Jbraybarten Nov 2025 #19
Sensible woodchucks defend senators without accountability for trading the cow for three useless beans. Film at eleven. Efilroft Sul Nov 2025 #20
That's because they would pass. Wiz Imp Nov 2025 #21
Thank you 8 senators for crossing the aisle republianmushroom Nov 2025 #22
I at least thought they would have the vote .... TheRealNorth Nov 2025 #23
and? quakerboy Nov 2025 #24
The thing is Mossfern Nov 2025 #25
This will in my opinion not play well with the base, particulary the younger base. CentralMass Nov 2025 #32
What has been done, has been done Mossfern Nov 2025 #56
we have more than one enemy quakerboy Nov 2025 #63
there isn't really much quakerboy Nov 2025 #62
I am completely shocked... berksdem Nov 2025 #28
Do Senate Dems want a revote? C_U_L8R Nov 2025 #29
And there goes the Schumer/Durbin fig leaf, blown away by a gust of wind. RockRaven Nov 2025 #31
Ok these people aren't stupid (I think) SamuelTheThird Nov 2025 #33
How about a discharge petition? Walleye Nov 2025 #34
Well yeah. That's not surprising in the least. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2025 #36
Bet he holds those crucial votes before he swears Grijalva in Warpy Nov 2025 #41
Nazis Marching On With Their Campaign Of Relentless Intimidation, Incarceration And Extermination MayReasonRule Nov 2025 #44
Okay, no vote on the ACA, the vote on the Epstein file comes to life as soon as the new Rep. is sworn in. Vinca Nov 2025 #45
But what will his members tell their voters that lose their health insurance? kentuck Nov 2025 #46
Then they'll own the increase in health care premiums for 2026 and it is an issue the Democrats can nail to the GOP. beaglelover Nov 2025 #47
I'm shocked . . . just shocked (heavy sarcasm) Scubamatt Nov 2025 #50
And water remains wet and bears continue to shit in the woods. generalbetrayus Nov 2025 #51
To use the famous line from a National Lampoon movie Norbert Nov 2025 #53
Lucy with the football!! We deserve the Charlie Brown nickname. Stupid is as stupid does!! Pisces Nov 2025 #54
THIS no_hypocrisy Nov 2025 #64
He will if Rump tells him to Bluestocking Nov 2025 #55
Series? orangecrush Nov 2025 #61

Response to In It to Win It (Original post)

edisdead

(3,396 posts)
35. why do we blame Dems for this?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 03:34 PM
Nov 2025

THEY were never going to vote on this. How was the shutdown helping? They weren’t going to vote on it to end the shutdown and they weren’t going ti do it if the gov is open. The only difference is now the dems cannot be tied to it and ATC’s and other fed workers might get paid. Shutdowns only work if the other side gives a shit if the gov shuts down.

BannonsLiver

(20,589 posts)
37. Because it's worth fighting for?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 03:48 PM
Nov 2025

Last edited Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:35 AM - Edit history (1)

Why even bother to shut it down in the first place? You say the fight is meaningless. What did we get out of capitulation?

FoxNewsSucks

(11,698 posts)
38. We predicted something like this,
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 03:55 PM
Nov 2025

Shouldn't elected Dems have had the eexperience dealing with compulsive liars, conmen and crooks to also see this coming and NOT go along with it????

LR3

(177 posts)
39. How was the shutdown helping?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 03:58 PM
Nov 2025

Was last Tuesday so long ago that you can't remember it?

Not only were the Dems fighting (which the majority of the party wants them to do), they were fighting for the right thing, and the Repubs were being punished for it both at the ballot box and in public opinion.

But by all means, let's STOP doing what was successful and take another self-inflicted L. That will get voters excited to support us.

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #3)

Response to Rebl2 (Reply #57)

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #58)

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
4. Wow!!!
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:18 PM
Nov 2025

Last edited Mon Nov 10, 2025, 03:57 PM - Edit history (1)

There's a surprise.

My message to those 7 Democrat Senators and 1 Ind. that decided to vote to reopen the govt. on the repigs terms, Thanks for nothing, hope you're satisfied.

gab13by13

(32,314 posts)
7. Only 50,000 Americans will die per year,
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:22 PM
Nov 2025

it was a political decision. The loved ones of the dead should understand.

yaesu

(9,327 posts)
18. It would have put more pressure on the fascists but now that we rolled over and play dead they can do whatever nt
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:52 PM
Nov 2025

2naSalit

(102,780 posts)
5. Meh...
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:20 PM
Nov 2025

Probably won't be squeaker by the end of the week anyway.

We should all ask MTG to oust him, or encourage her to do so.

2naSalit

(102,780 posts)
43. I think...
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 04:19 PM
Nov 2025

You might be missing the point and her current hatred for mosesmike, I think she's going there as soon as the House is open for business. She's been ragging on him since the early days of the shutdown so let her rage and do the thing that needs to happen anyway.

FHRRK

(1,410 posts)
52. What pinkie promise?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 05:56 PM
Nov 2025

They Cave Men got a promise of a Senate vote, nothing more.

So are the Cave Men not intelligent? Or are the complicit.

Years ago many argued that all Congress people should be forced to use the ACA. If that happened do you think these same Senators would have agreed to the Repub proposal last night?

gab13by13

(32,314 posts)
14. Krasnov hates Barack Obama with a passion,
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:29 PM
Nov 2025

going back to the correspondence dinner beat down.

Krasnov will jump through hoops to kill Obamacare, Johnson and Thune understand that, if a few Democrats do not.

Efilroft Sul

(4,413 posts)
20. Sensible woodchucks defend senators without accountability for trading the cow for three useless beans. Film at eleven.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:58 PM
Nov 2025

Wiz Imp

(9,991 posts)
21. That's because they would pass.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 02:07 PM
Nov 2025

It doesn't matter anyway because Trump would never sign the bill anyway. It didn't matter if the government stayed shut for a whole year, Trump's position on the subsidies was never going to change.

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
23. I at least thought they would have the vote ....
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 02:22 PM
Nov 2025

... after Trump does some sort of distraction to pull the media's attention away from the vote. That was the most laughable and predictable part of the surrender that they would give the Republicans almost complete control of the timetable.

I don't know how reliable the information in this Blueskye post is because I am not familiar with the source, but if true.....

quakerboy

(14,864 posts)
24. and?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 02:57 PM
Nov 2025

The vote was meaningless. Thats the whole point of this. Getting a vote was never the goal, never worth a moments consideration. Getting the thing done was the point. Not holding some theatrics.


Trump won the only significant stand against his unchecked power that has come from any branch of government.

Mossfern

(4,715 posts)
25. The thing is
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 03:17 PM
Nov 2025

that Trump and his evil minions do not give one little poop shit if tens, hundreds, tens of thousands of Americans die of starvation, homelessness or disease. Just as long as they "own the Libs." There was no way from the beginning for us to win.

The reasoning of those Democrats who caved was naive at best. Considering the make up of congress there was no way that we could get the thing done in reality especially if Trump was needed to sign off on it.

What we need to do going forward it to publicize the callousness of the Republican party and Trump. Emphasize the suffering of Americans at their hands. You know those heart-rending ASPCA ads? Stuff like that - but about people.... hell, animals too.
The ads should start right now.

Mossfern

(4,715 posts)
56. What has been done, has been done
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:33 PM
Nov 2025

We need to strategize about how to go forward, not bemoan the actions of a handful of Senators, no matter how we feel personally about them. We need to focus and stay the course and not let a setback stop us.

Being angry doesn't really help the cause - not unless is serve to motivate the base to fight even harder.
Remember who the real enemy is.

quakerboy

(14,864 posts)
63. we have more than one enemy
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:41 PM
Nov 2025

I dont think history has any more room for glorifying french collaborators than it does for german nazis.

quakerboy

(14,864 posts)
62. there isn't really much
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:37 PM
Nov 2025

Of a going forward.

Democrats inflicted this pain and then quit right after voters said good job.

Voters are unlikely to reward failure. Trump is unlikely to allow a close vote to have a fair result. This was for all the marbles and every sitting democratic senator just collaborated to throw the game

SamuelTheThird

(1,150 posts)
33. Ok these people aren't stupid (I think)
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 03:31 PM
Nov 2025

So it must be some big money interests that pushed them to the deal with repubs

BlueTsunami2018

(4,988 posts)
36. Well yeah. That's not surprising in the least.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 03:39 PM
Nov 2025

They hate the subsidies, because they’re going to the working class. Worthless people who can’t do anything for them. That’s wasted money. They’re only interested in subsidizing big corporations, the ruling class.

Everything is about class. Everything.


Warpy

(114,614 posts)
41. Bet he holds those crucial votes before he swears Grijalva in
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 04:00 PM
Nov 2025

Johnson likes to play games to please his owner, all with that smug little half smile that never reaches his eyes.

MayReasonRule

(4,099 posts)
44. Nazis Marching On With Their Campaign Of Relentless Intimidation, Incarceration And Extermination
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 04:52 PM
Nov 2025

Food Deprivation is a literal War Crime, a Crime Against Humanity.

May they suffer their just desserts.

Vinca

(53,986 posts)
45. Okay, no vote on the ACA, the vote on the Epstein file comes to life as soon as the new Rep. is sworn in.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 04:54 PM
Nov 2025

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
46. But what will his members tell their voters that lose their health insurance?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 04:56 PM
Nov 2025

Will they go home and campaign on taking away their health coverage and taking food out of the mouths of their children?

It would be a mistake to assume no Republicans receive foodstamps or ACA.

beaglelover

(4,466 posts)
47. Then they'll own the increase in health care premiums for 2026 and it is an issue the Democrats can nail to the GOP.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 04:58 PM
Nov 2025

Scubamatt

(306 posts)
50. I'm shocked . . . just shocked (heavy sarcasm)
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 05:50 PM
Nov 2025

You mean Lucy pulled the football away again at the last minute? Never would have expected that. (even heavier sarcasm).

I do want to impose a purity test on all Democratic leaders - NOT one based on particular positions on any substantive issue - but rather on their willingness to fight this fascist regime using every tool and tactic available. If someone is either too naive or myopic to trust this regime, or if they just long for those "good old days" when Congress got along like a club, they have no place leading this party.

Norbert

(7,762 posts)
53. To use the famous line from a National Lampoon movie
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:02 PM
Nov 2025

"Look, you fucked up. You trusted us."

Thanks, Chuck.

Pennsylvania, do us a favor and elect a real Democratic Senator.

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