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US HOUSE SPEAKER JOHNSON SAID HE WON'T COMMIT TO A VOTE ON ACA SUBSIDIES, I'M TOLD â SEMOFAR REPORTER ON X
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SSJVegeta
(2,849 posts)NotHardly
(2,705 posts)SSJVegeta
(2,849 posts)dalton99a
(94,109 posts)Response to In It to Win It (Original post)
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edisdead
(3,396 posts)THEY were never going to vote on this. How was the shutdown helping? They werent going to vote on it to end the shutdown and they werent going ti do it if the gov is open. The only difference is now the dems cannot be tied to it and ATCs and other fed workers might get paid. Shutdowns only work if the other side gives a shit if the gov shuts down.
BannonsLiver
(20,589 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:35 AM - Edit history (1)
Why even bother to shut it down in the first place? You say the fight is meaningless. What did we get out of capitulation?
FoxNewsSucks
(11,698 posts)Shouldn't elected Dems have had the eexperience dealing with compulsive liars, conmen and crooks to also see this coming and NOT go along with it????
LR3
(177 posts)Was last Tuesday so long ago that you can't remember it?
Not only were the Dems fighting (which the majority of the party wants them to do), they were fighting for the right thing, and the Repubs were being punished for it both at the ballot box and in public opinion.
But by all means, let's STOP doing what was successful and take another self-inflicted L. That will get voters excited to support us.
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MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 10, 2025, 03:57 PM - Edit history (1)
There's a surprise.
My message to those 7 Democrat Senators and 1 Ind. that decided to vote to reopen the govt. on the repigs terms, Thanks for nothing, hope you're satisfied.
gab13by13
(32,314 posts)it was a political decision. The loved ones of the dead should understand.
Boo1
(354 posts)Stopped that?
yaesu
(9,327 posts)I don't see how.
Justice matters.
(9,786 posts)And earlier.
niyad
(132,429 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)My bad.
2naSalit
(102,780 posts)Probably won't be squeaker by the end of the week anyway.
We should all ask MTG to oust him, or encourage her to do so.
CentralMass
(16,971 posts)2naSalit
(102,780 posts)You might be missing the point and her current hatred for mosesmike, I think she's going there as soon as the House is open for business. She's been ragging on him since the early days of the shutdown so let her rage and do the thing that needs to happen anyway.
TBF
(36,665 posts)leftstreet
(40,666 posts)FHRRK
(1,410 posts)They Cave Men got a promise of a Senate vote, nothing more.
So are the Cave Men not intelligent? Or are the complicit.
Years ago many argued that all Congress people should be forced to use the ACA. If that happened do you think these same Senators would have agreed to the Repub proposal last night?
durablend
(9,267 posts)dalton99a
(94,109 posts)Emile
(42,281 posts)durablend
(9,267 posts)Baitball Blogger
(52,342 posts)gab13by13
(32,314 posts)going back to the correspondence dinner beat down.
Krasnov will jump through hoops to kill Obamacare, Johnson and Thune understand that, if a few Democrats do not.
Takket
(23,714 posts)The wallet inspector stole my wallet agian!!!!!
JustAnotherGen
(38,050 posts)Jbraybarten
(265 posts)Efilroft Sul
(4,413 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,991 posts)It doesn't matter anyway because Trump would never sign the bill anyway. It didn't matter if the government stayed shut for a whole year, Trump's position on the subsidies was never going to change.
republianmushroom
(22,323 posts)on your elbows and knees.
TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)... after Trump does some sort of distraction to pull the media's attention away from the vote. That was the most laughable and predictable part of the surrender that they would give the Republicans almost complete control of the timetable.
I don't know how reliable the information in this Blueskye post is because I am not familiar with the source, but if true.....

quakerboy
(14,864 posts)The vote was meaningless. Thats the whole point of this. Getting a vote was never the goal, never worth a moments consideration. Getting the thing done was the point. Not holding some theatrics.
Trump won the only significant stand against his unchecked power that has come from any branch of government.
Mossfern
(4,715 posts)that Trump and his evil minions do not give one little poop shit if tens, hundreds, tens of thousands of Americans die of starvation, homelessness or disease. Just as long as they "own the Libs." There was no way from the beginning for us to win.
The reasoning of those Democrats who caved was naive at best. Considering the make up of congress there was no way that we could get the thing done in reality especially if Trump was needed to sign off on it.
What we need to do going forward it to publicize the callousness of the Republican party and Trump. Emphasize the suffering of Americans at their hands. You know those heart-rending ASPCA ads? Stuff like that - but about people.... hell, animals too.
The ads should start right now.
CentralMass
(16,971 posts)Mossfern
(4,715 posts)We need to strategize about how to go forward, not bemoan the actions of a handful of Senators, no matter how we feel personally about them. We need to focus and stay the course and not let a setback stop us.
Being angry doesn't really help the cause - not unless is serve to motivate the base to fight even harder.
Remember who the real enemy is.
quakerboy
(14,864 posts)I dont think history has any more room for glorifying french collaborators than it does for german nazis.
quakerboy
(14,864 posts)Of a going forward.
Democrats inflicted this pain and then quit right after voters said good job.
Voters are unlikely to reward failure. Trump is unlikely to allow a close vote to have a fair result. This was for all the marbles and every sitting democratic senator just collaborated to throw the game
berksdem
(921 posts)C_U_L8R
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RockRaven
(19,365 posts)SamuelTheThird
(1,150 posts)So it must be some big money interests that pushed them to the deal with repubs
Walleye
(44,797 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(4,988 posts)They hate the subsidies, because theyre going to the working class. Worthless people who cant do anything for them. Thats wasted money. Theyre only interested in subsidizing big corporations, the ruling class.
Everything is about class. Everything.
Warpy
(114,614 posts)Johnson likes to play games to please his owner, all with that smug little half smile that never reaches his eyes.
MayReasonRule
(4,099 posts)Food Deprivation is a literal War Crime, a Crime Against Humanity.
May they suffer their just desserts.
Vinca
(53,986 posts)kentuck
(115,406 posts)Will they go home and campaign on taking away their health coverage and taking food out of the mouths of their children?
It would be a mistake to assume no Republicans receive foodstamps or ACA.
beaglelover
(4,466 posts)Scubamatt
(306 posts)You mean Lucy pulled the football away again at the last minute? Never would have expected that. (even heavier sarcasm).
I do want to impose a purity test on all Democratic leaders - NOT one based on particular positions on any substantive issue - but rather on their willingness to fight this fascist regime using every tool and tactic available. If someone is either too naive or myopic to trust this regime, or if they just long for those "good old days" when Congress got along like a club, they have no place leading this party.
generalbetrayus
(1,857 posts)Norbert
(7,762 posts)"Look, you fucked up. You trusted us."
Thanks, Chuck.
Pennsylvania, do us a favor and elect a real Democratic Senator.