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GJGCA

(283 posts)
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 05:39 PM Nov 2025

NYC council member [Chi Osse] prepares Democratic primary challenge against Hakeem Jeffries

NBC News:

Chi Ossé, a member of the New York City Council, has filed paperwork to launch a primary challenge against House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries.

...

Ossé also publicly hinted at a run on Monday afternoon by writing in an X post, “Seems like we’re in a dire situation,” responding to another post noting Ossé had recently said he would not run for Congress and that it would take a "dire situation" for him to spend his twenties in the nation's capital.

...

The top House Democrat has not faced a competitive primary fight in the recent past, and has run unopposed in primaries in five of his last seven elections, including last year, in the deep-blue district. Jeffries won a seventh term last year by 51 points, and former Vice President Kamala Harris won the district by 44 points, both winning more than 70% of the vote.

Ossé was first elected to the New York City council in 2021 at just 23 years old, and he reportedly joined the Democratic Socialists of America earlier this year. Ossé is an ally of New York City Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani, although the New York Times reported that Mamdani discouraged Ossé from challenging Jeffries.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna244444

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NYC council member [Chi Osse] prepares Democratic primary challenge against Hakeem Jeffries (Original Post) GJGCA Nov 2025 OP
Need new blood yankee87 Nov 2025 #1
Excellent.... anciano Nov 2025 #2
Wholeheartedly agree Samael13 Nov 2025 #70
I will keep an eye on this guy he seems to be sharp. We need new blood if we are to do Autumn Nov 2025 #3
I look forward to the debates. N/T lapucelle Nov 2025 #4
There is no reason for Jeffries to waste his time with this guy. tritsofme Nov 2025 #12
DU is giving 2015-16 vibes. RandySF Nov 2025 #5
Yeah. And we know what happened in 2016. Callie1979 Nov 2025 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Nov 2025 #72
Hm, hmmm. Remember the 2008 "PUMA" crash out here? Seeking Serenity Nov 2025 #74
You noticed that too? DFW Nov 2025 #105
It would be better if the effort were spent ATTACKING REPUBLICANS... QueerDuck Nov 2025 #6
A Democrat is running for the same office another Democrat hold. How is that Autumn Nov 2025 #8
Oh please. Nice strawman. I never made that argument and you know it. QueerDuck Nov 2025 #11
It might be stupid to you but not to others. Dems can do more than one thing at a time. Autumn Nov 2025 #13
No, it's a stupid move. QueerDuck Nov 2025 #16
We have spent years " attacking Republicans" and keeping some people in office "for their wisdom." Autumn Nov 2025 #20
This is some Nina Turner level shit and sabotage... QueerDuck Nov 2025 #21
Nice. You can't come up with a rebuttal so insult me. LOL but now I know Autumn Nov 2025 #22
How amusing. You think I'm talking about you when I'm not. QueerDuck Nov 2025 #23
What amusing is you post to me and insult me but expect me to believe your not talking about me ? Autumn Nov 2025 #25
I have no such expectation that you will believe a conversation with you is not also about you. QueerDuck Nov 2025 #42
So Nina Turner is not one of your idols? She is a huge mouthpiece Nixie Nov 2025 #52
It seems that no one has learned a thing from last year. Callie1979 Nov 2025 #28
What about 6+mil who voted Biden leftstreet Nov 2025 #40
Those are the ones I'm talking about. Has anyone asked them? Callie1979 Nov 2025 #45
Thank you. QueerDuck Nov 2025 #44
No, it has nothing to do with "progressive enough" LR3 Nov 2025 #56
Oh ffs. Jbraybarten Nov 2025 #50
And we, thankfully, don't live in a system where pointing out the stupidity of such vanities... QueerDuck Nov 2025 #69
Y'know, that's one of the reasons we have primary elections instead of nominating committees Seeking Serenity Nov 2025 #78
You're the one talking about purity. Jbraybarten Nov 2025 #88
Why can't we do both Samael13 Nov 2025 #71
We can... it's just stupid to do so. Attack and smear the ones who deserve it (the GOP) not Democrats. QueerDuck Nov 2025 #73
I agree we need to flip republican seats Samael13 Nov 2025 #75
We certainly had a lot of folks who didnt want a primary in 2024 Callie1979 Nov 2025 #27
I don't have a clue. I think primaries are very healthy for our system. Had we had one perhaps Autumn Nov 2025 #34
I'm about 75% sure we wouldnt. But they wouldve had to have been straight with us Callie1979 Nov 2025 #46
Looks like there are some that don't want one in 2026 either. MichMan Nov 2025 #84
So my opinion (a Brooklyite in a neighboring district) Dorian Gray Nov 2025 #32
Mahalo, Dorian Gray! I'm way out here across Cha Nov 2025 #41
Thanks, Cha Dorian Gray Nov 2025 #95
Thank YOu, DG... There's a report out Cha Nov 2025 #96
PS I found it... Cha Nov 2025 #97
A Primary is not an attack. A Primary is how Democracy works. Too bad some don't understand that. Weird. Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #31
Yes it is. Of course it is. It's a way to bloody-up an incumbent... QueerDuck Nov 2025 #43
LOL LR3 Nov 2025 #57
Similarly, the idea that anyone thinks its worthwhile to WASTE money challenging a popular incumbent... QueerDuck Nov 2025 #60
When you argue as you do, you've lost LR3 Nov 2025 #62
The non-ironic use of the phrase "Third Way" reveal much. QueerDuck Nov 2025 #63
Yup, anyone that wants Democrats to fight harder LR3 Nov 2025 #64
Fortunately, for now, those voters are motivated to support Democrats... QueerDuck Nov 2025 #66
Your strawman building abilities are world class! LR3 Nov 2025 #79
Meh! Ho-hum... I'm just telling it like it is. QueerDuck Nov 2025 #85
If you don't like the way the American system works, I don't know what to tell you. Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #76
Expect the same people here rushing to defend Jefferies or party leadership SunImp Nov 2025 #90
Absolutely. And also, WTF? This is how our Democracy works and we have people on Democratic Underground Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #93
I don't think ANY representatives in govt are ENTITLED to a challenge-free environment. Maru Kitteh Nov 2025 #112
Wait, Jeffries (or others) is ordained? Nobody has the right to run? WTF. Weird indeed. Jbraybarten Nov 2025 #49
Nice strawman. I never said anything about anyone's "right to run". QueerDuck Nov 2025 #68
Show your cards. aocommunalpunch Nov 2025 #92
I read this and thought, "Good question!" But then I thought, "But who cares, really?" Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #94
Yep, straw man indeed. I guess you alternate that with your bringing pUrIty tEsTs Jbraybarten Nov 2025 #91
Everyone has the right to run. DFW Nov 2025 #106
Ok, so saying that someone running in a primary... Jbraybarten Nov 2025 #108
I Hope Leader Hakeem Jeffries Wins... Cha Nov 2025 #7
So, AOC should have never primaried Joe Crowley. right? MichMan Nov 2025 #36
This has Nothing to do with AOC... I'm talking Cha Nov 2025 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Nov 2025 #39
Whataboutism is a rhetorical tactic used to deflect criticism by responding with a counter-accusation... QueerDuck Nov 2025 #47
I understood the poster's statement as a general opposition to any incumbent facing a primary challenge MichMan Nov 2025 #48
Thanks for checking in. I take well your point that... QueerDuck Nov 2025 #54
. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #100
No, you got called out. Is it ok to run against incumbents or not. Period. FFS. Jbraybarten Nov 2025 #51
A big LOL & a FFS back atcha! 😂🤣 🙄 QueerDuck Nov 2025 #55
Yup. When Trump says "the Democrats" and then you have those Nixie Nov 2025 #59
This is crazy. What do YOU call the Democrats? That's our name. Scrivener7 Nov 2025 #77
"bAcK aT yOu" Not a "pUrItY gAmE." No need to add straw men. Oof. Jbraybarten Nov 2025 #65
Yawn. 🥱 QueerDuck Nov 2025 #67
lol... yeah, It does get so Cha Nov 2025 #104
Yawn indeed. Jbraybarten Nov 2025 #87
And, it Turns Out that AOC Doesn't want Osse, Cha Nov 2025 #81
I'm eager to hear the accusations that AOC is "against free elections" or claims that she... QueerDuck Nov 2025 #86
Oh it's Ridiculous.. like anyone knows Cha Nov 2025 #89
NY-08: Against Mamdani's Wishes, Gen Z Councilman Plans to Challenge Jeffries Celerity Nov 2025 #9
I think Mamdani is hoping for an endorsement from Jefferies. I don't think he needs it. nt Autumn Nov 2025 #10
Jeffries did endorse Mamdani, after months of meetings and foot-dragging Celerity Nov 2025 #14
What a biased portrayal. W_HAMILTON Nov 2025 #15
I've never seen an election SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2025 #17
It suggests a certain level of insecurity and weakness... QueerDuck Nov 2025 #18
It's grievance shopping SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2025 #19
Mamdani seems to understand this endorsement timing since he refused Nixie Nov 2025 #53
Hakeem Jeffries will be a great speaker mcar Nov 2025 #24
Pelosi was a great Speaker, she picked and mentored Jefferies, it is a stupid idea to vote out Jefferies. dem4decades Nov 2025 #29
especially for his district Dorian Gray Nov 2025 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Nov 2025 #30
And, Pres Obama.... I remember him Cha Nov 2025 #38
I'll pass on this primary. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2025 #35
Bingo MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #99
He'll get thumped. Halicarnassus Nov 2025 #58
He will, but it he pushes Jeffries to the left, that's fine Deminpenn Nov 2025 #61
Respectfully disagree. Halicarnassus Nov 2025 #80
I don't see this moving any needles one way or the other Torchlight Nov 2025 #82
I recall when David Hogg was a vice chair of the DNC, he was advocating primary challenges to quite a few incumbents. MichMan Nov 2025 #83
Seems like most folks in favor of primarying Jeffries MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #98
I regret.... DFW Nov 2025 #107
Only young new blood morally pure righteous grassroots anti-establishment Outsiders can rescue The Will of the People betsuni Nov 2025 #110
I don't care who runs but RandySF Nov 2025 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Nov 2025 #102
Lotta comments Halicarnassus Nov 2025 #103
Instead of running against Jefferies Just_Vote_Dem Nov 2025 #109
This thread saddens me a bit. Samael13 Nov 2025 #111
Chi Osse has every right to launch a primary challenge against House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries. Autumn Jan 20 #113

yankee87

(2,824 posts)
1. Need new blood
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 05:48 PM
Nov 2025

I am going to be nice and just say this is great. The Democratic Party is wholly against the genocide in Palestine. Meanwhile, the current leadership is in the pocket of AIPAC.

anciano

(2,256 posts)
2. Excellent....
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 05:52 PM
Nov 2025

IMO all members of the House and Senate ideally should have primary opponents each time they are up for re-election and also be subject to term limits. Congressional service should be a "public service", not a career.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
3. I will keep an eye on this guy he seems to be sharp. We need new blood if we are to do
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:01 PM
Nov 2025

the things that need to be done.

RandySF

(84,260 posts)
5. DU is giving 2015-16 vibes.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:18 PM
Nov 2025

Lot of accounts I haven’t seen before going after Democratic figures (and not so much Republicans).

Response to RandySF (Reply #5)

Seeking Serenity

(3,322 posts)
74. Hm, hmmm. Remember the 2008 "PUMA" crash out here?
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:32 PM
Nov 2025

That one left some long-lasting bitter memories. Thankfully, Obama/Biden went on to win going away.

DFW

(60,182 posts)
105. You noticed that too?
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 04:16 AM
Nov 2025

Election season is upon us. Time to get moving. Republicans? What Republicans? Do you see any Republicans anywhere? I see lots of Democratic feet, including my own, and I have a loaded pistol pointed right at them. First things first!! Besides, Jeffries is 55. That’s thirty years older than any member of Congress ought to be, right? (Vermont excepted—those endorsements will have to come from somewhere, won’t they?).

2015-2016 indeed. It does seem like certain parties would love a repeat performance. After all, it turned out so well for us ten years ago…….

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
6. It would be better if the effort were spent ATTACKING REPUBLICANS...
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:20 PM
Nov 2025

but that would make too much sense. That would help to weaken the GOP and to empower Democrats. But, for some odd reason, there are some individuals who think it's better to attack Democrats. Weird.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
8. A Democrat is running for the same office another Democrat hold. How is that
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:33 PM
Nov 2025

weaken Democrats? That's not a loss. You do know any Democrat has the right to run for another Democrats seat? It's not a god given job or a lifetime seat.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
11. Oh please. Nice strawman. I never made that argument and you know it.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:43 PM
Nov 2025

My point is that we should be spending our time and effort and money attacking REPUBLICANS and trying to weaken them and reduce their numbers instead of wasting time on shit like this.

Of course he has "every right" to do so... that's irrelevant. What matters is this: IT'S A STUPID MOVE.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
13. It might be stupid to you but not to others. Dems can do more than one thing at a time.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:48 PM
Nov 2025

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
16. No, it's a stupid move.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 07:34 PM
Nov 2025

Actually, I never argued whether Democrats could do more than one thing at a time... again, that's yet another weak strawman argument. Trying to sabotage and bloody up Jeffries is just a stupid move. He will fail. Deservedly so.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
20. We have spent years " attacking Republicans" and keeping some people in office "for their wisdom."
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 07:54 PM
Nov 2025

I don't know what you think when you see what's going on today, but I ask myself how did that work out for us? I think younger progressive politicians will get will get us what we need. The electorate is changing if we keep the same path we will stay right where we are.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
21. This is some Nina Turner level shit and sabotage...
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 08:09 PM
Nov 2025

going on here. It's insane. Her style and tactics have never helped... only harmed. Why encourage and defend it?

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
22. Nice. You can't come up with a rebuttal so insult me. LOL but now I know
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 08:22 PM
Nov 2025
how nice to see you again and goodbye.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
23. How amusing. You think I'm talking about you when I'm not.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 08:49 PM
Nov 2025


As far as i know, you're not the one running against Jeffries. But be sure to let us know if that changes. 🤣😂🤪🤡😀

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
25. What amusing is you post to me and insult me but expect me to believe your not talking about me ?
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 09:45 PM
Nov 2025

Yeah gotcha Things never change.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
42. I have no such expectation that you will believe a conversation with you is not also about you.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:55 AM
Nov 2025

... you're right... "things never change". Perfect!

Nixie

(17,984 posts)
52. So Nina Turner is not one of your idols? She is a huge mouthpiece
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:16 AM
Nov 2025

for the Bernie movement, as you know. So it’s a bit strange you would say you’re being insulted over being compared to an idol.

Callie1979

(1,350 posts)
28. It seems that no one has learned a thing from last year.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:01 PM
Nov 2025

The reasons we lost are right in front of us but everyone wants to believe it was because we weren't progressive ENOUGH
And no one wants to discuss the reasons some Democrats voted for trump.

leftstreet

(40,670 posts)
40. What about 6+mil who voted Biden
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:12 PM
Nov 2025

The 6+ million RELIABLY Democratic voters who voted Biden, but not Harris

Is the reason for this right in front of us?

Callie1979

(1,350 posts)
45. Those are the ones I'm talking about. Has anyone asked them?
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:14 AM
Nov 2025

I've asked the few I know who admitted it.
And this is the first time I've heard an actual number. I didnt realize it was THAT many.
And as I've said in many other posts we're simply not allowed to have an open discussion HERE as to the reasons for their decision.

LR3

(177 posts)
56. No, it has nothing to do with "progressive enough"
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:57 AM
Nov 2025

The wide range of winners a couple of weeks ago show it isn't about degree of progressiveness, it is 100% about willingness to fight, no holds barred.

Schumer stands for nothing beyond staying in power, and Jeffries listens to the same milquetoast consultants that preach playing by outdated rules.

Jbraybarten

(265 posts)
50. Oh ffs.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:40 AM
Nov 2025

Whether or not one should run may be stupid in terms of attempting to defeat an incumbent, but we - thankfully - don't live in a system where it's prohibited from running.

JFC.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
69. And we, thankfully, don't live in a system where pointing out the stupidity of such vanities...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:18 PM
Nov 2025

(and other gestures of purity) is prohibited either. I'll keep calling-out the stupid wherever I see it. Our time and money is better spent trying to attack, defeat, divide and weaken the GOP. It just amazes me that anyone thinks it's a good idea to do this to Democrats instead. JFC. FFS.



and

Seeking Serenity

(3,322 posts)
78. Y'know, that's one of the reasons we have primary elections instead of nominating committees
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:47 PM
Nov 2025

So that new or different ideas or priorities can be compared and contrasted against those of the incumbents. Without those challenges, incumbents can be tempted to become lazy or stale, running with ideas that may no longer be relevant in the current time.

Now, that being said, I will never approve of dirty, smear primary campaigns. That's where the problems come in.

Samael13

(134 posts)
71. Why can't we do both
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:23 PM
Nov 2025

We should challenge Republicans but I see nothing wrong with democrats challenging democrats. Being in public office is a privilege not a right. The voters will decide who they want in the end.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
73. We can... it's just stupid to do so. Attack and smear the ones who deserve it (the GOP) not Democrats.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:31 PM
Nov 2025

I don't know how I can make it any clearer. Swapping a Democrat for a Democrat does absolutely nothing in getting us closer to regaining control of Congress. But flipping a single GOP-held seat gets us a TWO-SEAT advantage. Do the math. Do your own research. Why waste time with these purity tests? It's just a vanity indulgence at the point. When we think and plan strategically rather than react emotionally... we'll do much better.

Samael13

(134 posts)
75. I agree we need to flip republican seats
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:34 PM
Nov 2025

But I have no problem with a democrat running against a democrat in a primary in the end the voters will decide who they want on the ballot. Its how democracy works and I will always support that.

Callie1979

(1,350 posts)
27. We certainly had a lot of folks who didnt want a primary in 2024
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 09:57 PM
Nov 2025

So whats the difference.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
34. I don't have a clue. I think primaries are very healthy for our system. Had we had one perhaps
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:32 PM
Nov 2025

we wouldn't be where we are.

Callie1979

(1,350 posts)
46. I'm about 75% sure we wouldnt. But they wouldve had to have been straight with us
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:18 AM
Nov 2025

VP Harris was put in a terrible position she didnt deserve to be put in.
A different candidate wouldn't have had that problem.
But we should LEARN to better prepare for '26 & '28
Me getting a post hidden for asking a question I'm sure a LOT of people had abut the NYC race is an indicator that some dont WANT to learn

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
32. So my opinion (a Brooklyite in a neighboring district)
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:14 PM
Nov 2025

I don't think that Osse has a chance. And I think the district, which is represented by the who most likely would be the next speaker of the house and all the influence that goes with that, would be insane to vote him out to get a newcomer in with no political influence.

District 8 spans Bed Stuy to Canarsie to Coney Island to parts of Bay Ridge. Osse is a city council member in good standing, and he's DSA aligned. (They have not given him any support yet.).

In the end Jeffries should WIPE THE FLOOR with him. But we will see.

My district has Lander thinking of Primarying Daniel Goldman, and I am VERY MUCH a Goldman appreciator. He's been an effective legislator and voice in the government. So that's another primary I'm not thrilled with.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
41. Mahalo, Dorian Gray! I'm way out here across
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 11:17 PM
Nov 2025

Last edited Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:04 AM - Edit history (1)

the Mainland and the Ocean.. but I really like Rep Dan Goldman, for an long time now, and Leader Hakeem Jeffries.

TY for your Opinion of what's going on in Yours & Goldman's District!

And, Exactly this...

I don't think that Osse has a chance. And I think the district, which is represented by the who most likely would be the next speaker of the house and all the influence that goes with that, would be insane to vote him out to get a newcomer in with no political influence.

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
95. Thanks, Cha
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 10:02 PM
Nov 2025

It's interesting because Osse doesn't have the backing of AOC. Mamdani or the DSA (yet). So I'm curious how far this exploration of a run will go.

Lander is very popular in my neck of the woods, so he will do well in Brownstone Brooklyn. But not sure he'll do well in the other areas in our district: Wall Street, Borough Park, some Bay Ridge.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
96. Thank YOu, DG... There's a report out
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:11 PM
Nov 2025

I read that Mayor Elect Mamdani isn't keen on Brad Lander.

I can't find it now but when I do I'm going to post it here for you to read.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
97. PS I found it...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:45 PM
Nov 2025

Snip***

Over the summer, Mamdani would confide he wasn’t much impressed with Lander. Nice enough guy, but he didn’t seem particularly effective as comptroller, Mamdani said according to a person familiar with his comments.

The two went weeks without talking, and though Lander would get defensive and blame overlapping post-election vacations, all his talk that he’d be the one really running the city next year had gotten back to Mamdani and not gone over well.

By the weekend before the election, Lander’s wife was telling friends at a party that Mamdani had called to tell the comptroller he would not have a job in the administration since he wasn’t getting the job he wanted.

By the day before the election, Lander was reaching out to major donors to solicit commitments for a congressional run against Rep. Dan Goldman, according to a person familiar with the matter.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/05/politics/how-zohran-mamdani-won

A couple of Tweets on it at the DU link..

lapucelle~

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20799513

Scrivener7

(59,520 posts)
31. A Primary is not an attack. A Primary is how Democracy works. Too bad some don't understand that. Weird.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:05 PM
Nov 2025

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
43. Yes it is. Of course it is. It's a way to bloody-up an incumbent...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:08 AM
Nov 2025

and deplete their campaign funds. This opens the door for a well-funded Republican to come in and flip the seat to GOP control.

Replacing a Democrat with another Democrat does absolutely nothing to move us closer to having a majority in either house of congress. Only when we FLIP seats and REMOVE Republicans and REPLACE them with Democrats are we ever going to gain control again. The math is quite simple..

Too bad some don't understand THAT. Weird.

LR3

(177 posts)
57. LOL
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:01 PM
Nov 2025

Jeffries won with 75% of the vote in 2024. The idea that a primary would weaken him and an R would swoop in and win is laughable.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
60. Similarly, the idea that anyone thinks its worthwhile to WASTE money challenging a popular incumbent...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:33 PM
Nov 2025

rather than putting towar much better use is equally laughable. (In this case, "better use" means using the money to DEFEAT GOP incumbents and FLIP SEATS in swing-districts and swing-states... OR... "better use" means to spend the money defending seats in areas that are historically swing-states or swing-districts where the Dem incumbent is threatened, or when the Dem nominee might not be able to pull off a win.

A one-for-one exchange (obviously for purity and vanity and virtue-signaling reasons) serves no good purpose, especially when it does absolutely NOTHING with regard to helping the Democrats regain control of Congress. But for every GOP seat that we flip, that gives us a TWO-SEAT advantage that we didn't have before.

Laugh-it-up! The math is easy. The hard part (for many) is being able to see the big picture and make strategic moves rather than emotional ones or being motivated by wanting revenge against Democrats.

LR3

(177 posts)
62. When you argue as you do, you've lost
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:52 PM
Nov 2025

"for purity and vanity and virtue-signaling reasons" "emotional ones or being motivated by wanting revenge against Democrats."

Sure, anyone that wants to thoroughly bury the Republicans for a good long time is obviously "virtue signaling", "emotional", and "wants revenge against Democrats"

Better to play it cautious, don't fight too strenuously, and continue to listen to the Third Way advice. It sure has worked wonders so far!

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
63. The non-ironic use of the phrase "Third Way" reveal much.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 02:30 PM
Nov 2025

I'm always in favor of "strenuously" fighting Republicans (not Democrats.) The fact that so many are intent on denigrating Democrats goes with their treachery, sabotage and voter suppression (ahem... remember "leave it blank" anyone?)

It's an all-hands-on-deck moment... it's time to shit or get off the pot. It's a waste of time to continue taking cheap shots at Democratic leadership for vanity and purity reasons. In the end, it serves no useful purpose. It just amplifies the lies of the "both parties are the same" brigade. And this actually goes a very long way in explaining your "worked wonders so far" rhetorical observation. (So to speak.)

LR3

(177 posts)
64. Yup, anyone that wants Democrats to fight harder
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 02:39 PM
Nov 2025

like for instance the vast majority of voters two weeks ago is:

"for purity and vanity and virtue-signaling reasons" "emotional ones or being motivated by wanting revenge against Democrats." as well as engaging in "treachery, sabotage and voter suppression".

JFC. What loser mentality.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
66. Fortunately, for now, those voters are motivated to support Democrats...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:05 PM
Nov 2025

and that's why it's important to keep the momentum going. Parroting the "Democrats suck" message and amplifying the "both sides are the same" message, and defending or promoting the "leave it blank" and "uncommitted" efforts to punish the party do very little to sustain our current level of energy. The optimism needle is starting to move a little bit in our direction... I think everyone can agree that we do not need the purity tests and and attacks on our own party. Such attacks are better suited for those who actually DESERVE to be attacked and smeared: The Republicans.

LR3

(177 posts)
79. Your strawman building abilities are world class!
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:55 PM
Nov 2025

You are REALLY REALLY REALLY good at ascribing motives, actions, and statements that never happened.

Claiming, baselessly, that I or anyone else is "parroting the "Democrats suck" message and amplifying the "both sides are the same" message, and defending or promoting the "leave it blank" and "uncommitted"". But, these go in the pile with all the other things you've wrongly claimed.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
85. Meh! Ho-hum... I'm just telling it like it is.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 05:09 PM
Nov 2025

I never said anything about you. The "Democrats suck" message has been clear and loud... it's truly a waste of my time to interact with anyone who is pretending like it doesn't exist, or that it doesn't happen. Leave-it-blank was real and so was "uncommitted" ... It would be more productive for me to be talking to a waffle iron rather than to anyone who denies these realities.

🥱

Scrivener7

(59,520 posts)
76. If you don't like the way the American system works, I don't know what to tell you.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:41 PM
Nov 2025

This is a Democracy. If the majority of the party in his district agrees with you, Jeffries will survive. If not, he won't.

It's up to everyone. Everyone's opinion matters. Not just yours.

SunImp

(2,705 posts)
90. Expect the same people here rushing to defend Jefferies or party leadership
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 06:04 PM
Nov 2025

to quickly change their tune when someone tries to primary certain reps in Michigan & Minnesota.

Scrivener7

(59,520 posts)
93. Absolutely. And also, WTF? This is how our Democracy works and we have people on Democratic Underground
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:53 PM
Nov 2025

having hissy fits over it.

I can't even.

I'm going to watch Ken Burns.

Maru Kitteh

(31,759 posts)
112. I don't think ANY representatives in govt are ENTITLED to a challenge-free environment.
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 02:08 PM
Nov 2025

In a DEMOCRACY, they must compete for those jobs. They should be competing more vigorously than they are currently. NONE of them should feel “safe.” Not one.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
68. Nice strawman. I never said anything about anyone's "right to run".
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 03:13 PM
Nov 2025

But, if you want to defend that, be my guest... you'll find no arguments or objections from me. Relying on such strenuous efforts actually reveals a position of weakness and arguments that are lacking. Feel free to waste your own time, not mine. I'll leave you to talk amongst yourself. Bye.

Scrivener7

(59,520 posts)
94. I read this and thought, "Good question!" But then I thought, "But who cares, really?"
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:56 PM
Nov 2025

Some guy on the internet has a problem with the American system.

Okay. Whatever.

DFW

(60,182 posts)
106. Everyone has the right to run.
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 04:39 AM
Nov 2025

No one said otherwise, just like common sense cannot be enforced in a court of law.

Jbraybarten

(265 posts)
108. Ok, so saying that someone running in a primary...
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 10:25 AM
Nov 2025

Last edited Wed Nov 19, 2025, 12:35 PM - Edit history (1)

..is an "attack" on Democrats isn't suggesting that people shouldn't run? What kind of disingenuous crap is that?

Cha

(319,067 posts)
7. I Hope Leader Hakeem Jeffries Wins...
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:30 PM
Nov 2025

"New Blood" means Nothing when up against Knowledge and Qualified Experience

MichMan

(17,150 posts)
36. So, AOC should have never primaried Joe Crowley. right?
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:44 PM
Nov 2025

After all, she had never held elected office before, while he was a ten term incumbent and a Democratic Caucus chair.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
37. This has Nothing to do with AOC... I'm talking
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:52 PM
Nov 2025

Last edited Tue Nov 18, 2025, 04:48 PM - Edit history (1)

about Leader Hakeem Jeffries.

Response to Cha (Reply #37)

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
47. Whataboutism is a rhetorical tactic used to deflect criticism by responding with a counter-accusation...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 08:22 AM
Nov 2025

or by raising an unrelated issue to change the subject. In my opinion, it reveals that the other person is making weak arguments, and they likely know it.

The primary goal is to shift focus away from the original difficult question to avoid accountability or to defend an idea or goal with questionable value or that has high-risk and very little (if any) gain.

So, instead of addressing the validity of the initial criticism, the person using whataboutism exaggerates a perceived flaw in their opponent or another party... or they'll often imply a moral equivalence between two different views, even if they are not truly comparable in context.

In the end, this weak tactic serves as a red herring, introducing an irrelevant topic to derail the conversation and "muddy the waters".

You handled this very well.

MichMan

(17,150 posts)
48. I understood the poster's statement as a general opposition to any incumbent facing a primary challenge
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 08:45 AM
Nov 2025
"New Blood" means Nothing when up against Knowledge and Qualified Experience


It wasn't clear that it specifically applied only to Jeffries. The odd use of capitalization had me wondering if there was some hidden meaning.

.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
54. Thanks for checking in. I take well your point that...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:46 AM
Nov 2025

in the whirlwind of a bustling forum, where words race like caffeinated squirrels, it’s all too easy to misinterpret a message or two. Clarity and precision often take a backseat, tossed aside like forgotten umbrellas in the rain, while the glittering jewels of spelling and proofreading are sacrificed on the altar of brevity and speed. It’s a chaotic ballet where meanings pirouette away, leaving us to grasp at the fleeting glimpses of intent.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
55. A big LOL & a FFS back atcha! 😂🤣 🙄
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:51 AM
Nov 2025

These types of purity games do absolutely NOTHING to help us to regain the majority. A one-for-one swap that involves the real risk of giving a well-funded GOP challenger an advantage is simply not worth it. The virtue-signaling and purity tests are a luxury that we simply cannot afford. In this all-hands-on-deck moment... we need to be spending our time, energy and money toward the important mission of fighting AND REPLACING Republicans. It's simple math, FFS.

Nixie

(17,984 posts)
59. Yup. When Trump says "the Democrats" and then you have those
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:32 PM
Nov 2025

who are running on a Democratic ticket also saying “the Democrats,” then we get the Trumpies. It’s not hard to remember how we got here.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
104. lol... yeah, It does get so
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 03:39 AM
Nov 2025

boring to try and debate Common Strategic Sense, Expert Knowledge, and Wanting to WIN VS only caring about "new blood" or whatever.

TY

Cha

(319,067 posts)
81. And, it Turns Out that AOC Doesn't want Osse,
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 04:43 PM
Nov 2025

either.

Exclusive: AOC says Chi Ossé primary challenge against Jeffries not a "good idea"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220813193

Thank You for Explaining the intricacies of "muddying the waters" so well yourself. After 23 years here it's not the fist time to run across it. Never works.

to you, Queer Duck

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
86. I'm eager to hear the accusations that AOC is "against free elections" or claims that she...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 05:23 PM
Nov 2025

has crossed-over to become "establishment" ... or insinuations that she views Jeffries as "royalty" ... or snide comments that she's a "neo-liberal." --- I swear, all the buzzwords and insults are flying at me fast and furious today... now that we know that AOC is in agreement, will she be swarmed too?

This will be interesting to watch.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
89. Oh it's Ridiculous.. like anyone knows
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 05:42 PM
Nov 2025

more about what's going on in Congress than AOC and others who are Actually in there Every Day. Doing the Work

Maybe just Maybe they know Strategy Better?

Celerity

(54,405 posts)
9. NY-08: Against Mamdani's Wishes, Gen Z Councilman Plans to Challenge Jeffries
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:36 PM
Nov 2025
h/t to RandySF

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220796693

Mr. Mamdani has privately tried to discourage his ideological ally from running. The mayor-elect and his team fear that another high-profile challenge from the left might compromise his own bid to push the Democratic establishment to support his affordability agenda.

Mr. Mamdani also may want to avoid the optics of having Mr. Ossé challenge the House Democratic leader, who endorsed Mr. Mamdani in October after months of negotiation.

The disagreement caused Mr. Ossé to be disinvited from Mr. Mamdani’s election night watch party, according to two people familiar with the matter, even though he has been a frequent presence at Mr. Mamdani’s campaign events. Instead, Mr. Ossé said he spent the night “with my constituents at D.S.A. events celebrating Zohran’s incredible win.”

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
10. I think Mamdani is hoping for an endorsement from Jefferies. I don't think he needs it. nt
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:41 PM
Nov 2025

Celerity

(54,405 posts)
14. Jeffries did endorse Mamdani, after months of meetings and foot-dragging
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 06:51 PM
Nov 2025
Hakeem Jeffries endorses Zohran Mamdani for New York City mayor

US House minority leader ends four-month standoff over backing for Democratic nominee

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/24/zohran-mamdani-hakeem-jeffries-endorsement

The House minority leader, Hakeem Jeffries, endorsed Zohran Mamdani for New York City mayor on Friday, ending a four-month standoff that left the Democratic nominee without the backing of one of the party’s most powerful figures until the day before early voting begins. The announcement arrives after months of pressure from progressives in Congress and after the top Democrat has been repeatedly grilled by reporters about his reluctance to support his party’s candidate. “Zohran Mamdani has relentlessly focused on addressing the affordability crisis and explicitly committed to being a mayor for all New Yorkers, including those who do not support his candidacy,” Jeffries wrote in a statement. “In that spirit, I support him and the entire citywide Democratic ticket in the general election.”

The Brooklyn representative’s delay has been particularly striking given that Mamdani, a democratic socialist, won the primary and Jeffries’s district decisively in June to defeat former governor Andrew Cuomo in what was considered a seismic upset. Jeffries’s endorsement makes the Senate minority leader, Chuck Schumer, also of New York, the sole major Democratic congressional leadership holdout. The lack of earlier endorsements has not stopped the city’s magnetism for Mamdani, who maintains a commanding lead in polls for the 4 November general election, when he will face independent candidate Cuomo and Republican Curtis Sliwa.

Jeffries’s extended hesitation stands in contrast with typical party unity timelines. The New York governor, Kathy Hochul, assembly speaker Carl Heastie and senate majority leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins all have endorsed Mamdani, as have the New York representatives Jerry Nadler, Adriano Espaillat and Yvette Clarke – each of whom backed other candidates in the primary. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez endorsed Mamdani before the primary, and has campaigned with him since. The minority leader has spent months deflecting questions from reporters, repeatedly instructing the media to “stay tuned” while insisting he had not refused to endorse, just that he “refused to articulate” his position.

This hair-splitting did little to disguise what appeared to be profound discomfort with the 34-year-old democratic socialist whose upset primary victory upended the Democratic establishment’s expectations. When pressed by CNBC in August about the continued questioning on his Mamdani stance, a visibly frustrated Jeffries shot back: “I’m trying to understand why you would spend a significant amount of time asking me about the Democratic nominee who’s not even the mayor.” Jeffries, who raked in more than $1m from the pro-Israel lobby in 2023-2024, cited concerns about Mamdani’s past rhetoric on Israel and antisemitism, particularly the assembly member’s initial refusal to denounce the phrase “globalize the intifada”. Mamdani has also made the highly unlikely campaign promise to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu if he travels to New York.

snip

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
15. What a biased portrayal.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 07:31 PM
Nov 2025

Jeffries showed more support for Mamdani than he did the last Democrat running for NYC mayor, whom he NEVER endorsed.

Endorsements like his often wait till closer to the election to have more of an impact. I believe his came on the heels of early voting opening up.

Endorsing Mamdani in the summer would have accomplished nothing other than placating a certain segment of progressives about 12 hours before they found something else to hate on Jeffries for.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,645 posts)
17. I've never seen an election
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 07:39 PM
Nov 2025

where people were so focused on endorsements. And those who are don't even live in NYC.

QueerDuck

(1,706 posts)
18. It suggests a certain level of insecurity and weakness...
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 07:46 PM
Nov 2025

to be fixated on such things. IMHO

Nixie

(17,984 posts)
53. Mamdani seems to understand this endorsement timing since he refused
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 11:27 AM
Nov 2025

to endorse Hochul even though she endorsed him.

dem4decades

(14,057 posts)
29. Pelosi was a great Speaker, she picked and mentored Jefferies, it is a stupid idea to vote out Jefferies.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:01 PM
Nov 2025

Response to GJGCA (Original post)

Cha

(319,067 posts)
38. And, Pres Obama.... I remember him
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 10:54 PM
Nov 2025

saying That.. a lot.

I say it too.... only the Come on!

 

Halicarnassus

(27 posts)
58. He'll get thumped.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:23 PM
Nov 2025

You think the people of NY-8 are going to get rid of the next likely Speaker of the House?

But it’s great all these progressives keep running against strong, unbeatable Democratic incumbents, it’s not a waste of time, money, and resources at all.🙄

 

Halicarnassus

(27 posts)
80. Respectfully disagree.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 04:10 PM
Nov 2025

Pelosi dropped her pretty lefty politics when she became Speaker to shift to the role of leader. It was a lot less ideological and political. Much more behind the scenes, and interactive. It’s a different beast, being a congressional leader. See: my dude, Lyndon Johnson.

Torchlight

(6,823 posts)
82. I don't see this moving any needles one way or the other
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 04:48 PM
Nov 2025

Another name lost to fog after another primary ends.

MichMan

(17,150 posts)
83. I recall when David Hogg was a vice chair of the DNC, he was advocating primary challenges to quite a few incumbents.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 04:55 PM
Nov 2025

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,507 posts)
98. Seems like most folks in favor of primarying Jeffries
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 01:08 AM
Nov 2025

don't know much about Chi Ossé, just that he's "new blood."

Sure, let's chuck the House minority leader for...a NYC council member just cuz he's new.

Couldn't Ossé get some experience before jumping in? It takes more than ideas and a "Democratic Socialist" label to be a successful politician.

DFW

(60,182 posts)
107. I regret....
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 04:57 AM
Nov 2025

…..that I have but one rec to give for your post.

(Apologies to Patrick Henry)

betsuni

(29,077 posts)
110. Only young new blood morally pure righteous grassroots anti-establishment Outsiders can rescue The Will of the People
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 12:13 PM
Nov 2025

from the fictional Democrat-monsters. That's the brand being advertised.

Response to RandySF (Reply #101)

 

Halicarnassus

(27 posts)
103. Lotta comments
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 03:21 AM
Nov 2025

in what will ultimately be a completely irrelevant primary.

Your Democratic member of Congress is so close to being the next Speaker. Third in line to the presidency, overseer of half the legislative branch.

Do you…
(A) excitedly vote for them once more?
(B) vote for some no-name socialist who has no chance, and won’t even be a footnote in history?

That’s what I thought.

Just_Vote_Dem

(3,644 posts)
109. Instead of running against Jefferies
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 11:28 AM
Nov 2025

He should be running in a district that currently is represented by a Repub, that way we could pick up a seat.

Samael13

(134 posts)
111. This thread saddens me a bit.
Wed Nov 19, 2025, 01:13 PM
Nov 2025

First off let me say I like Jeffries and hope to see him be our speaker. I'd also prefer Ossé try to flip a republican seat. But this idea that anyone is above being primaried is ludicrous. I truly wish it was mandatory that every elected official face a primary challenger each election. Its doubtful Jeffries will lose the primary but lets argue his district no longer wants him to represent them I'd rather see them get behind another democrat instead of just not voting or voting for a republican or splitting the vote.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
113. Chi Osse has every right to launch a primary challenge against House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries.
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 09:58 AM
Jan 20

That is how our system works. No one in any party is owed a seat and winning a seat in Congress does not mean anyone is entitled to a lifetime career . If he gets the votes good for him, if not Jefferies remains

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