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marble falls

(71,950 posts)
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:09 AM Jan 3

Donald Trump's Attack on Venezuela Is Illegal and Unwise

Donald Trump’s Attack on Venezuela Is Illegal and Unwise

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/03/opinion/venezuela-attack-trump-us.html

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Few people will feel any sympathy for Mr. Maduro. He is undemocratic and repressive, and has destabilized the Western Hemisphere in recent years. The United Nations recently issued a report detailing more than a decade of killings, torture, sexual violence and arbitrary detention by henchmen against his political opponents. He stole Venezuela’s presidential election last year. He has fueled economic and political disruption throughout the region by instigating an exodus of nearly eight million migrants.

If there is an overriding lesson of American foreign affairs in the past century, however, it is that attempting to oust even the most deplorable regime can make matters worse. The United States spent 20 years failing to create a stable government in Afghanistan and it replaced a dictatorship in Libya with a fractured state. The tragic consequences of the 2003 war in Iraq continue to beset America and the Middle East. Perhaps most relevant, the United States has sporadically destabilized Latin American countries, including Chile, Cuba, Guatemala and Nicaragua, by trying to oust a government through force.

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The nominal rationale for the administration’s military adventurism is to destroy “narco- terrorists.” Governments throughout history have labeled the leaders of rival nations as terrorists, seeking to justify military incursions as policing operations. The claim is particularly ludicrous in this case, given that Venezuela is not a meaningful producer of fentanyl or the other drugs that have dominated the recent epidemic of overdoses in the United States, and the cocaine that it does produce flows mostly to Europe. While Mr. Trump has been attacking Venezuelan boats, he also pardoned Juan Orlando Hernández, who ran a sprawling drug operation when he was president of Honduras from 2014 to 2022.

A more plausible explanation for the attacks on Venezuela may instead be found in the Mr. Trump’s recently released National Security Strategy. It claimed the right to dominate Latin America: “After years of neglect, the United States will reassert and enforce the Monroe Doctrine to restore American pre-eminence in the Western Hemisphere.” In what the document called the “Trump Corollary,” the administration vowed to redeploy forces from around the world to the region, stop traffickers on the high seas, use lethal force against migrants and drug runners and potentially base more U.S. troops around the region.

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TACO has no logical explanation for his dump on Venezuela. He is creating international and internal crisis. The Constitution requires congressional approval, otherwise his actions violate United States law.

Oh yeah: Jeffrey freaking Epstein!


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Donald Trump's Attack on Venezuela Is Illegal and Unwise (Original Post) marble falls Jan 3 OP
lethal force against migrants bucolic_frolic Jan 3 #1
War with China and Russia Blue Full Moon Jan 3 #2
Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein... spanone Jan 3 #3
You forgot Epstein. The most important Epstein. ... marble falls Jan 3 #5
We know some of our enemies funded Epstein's sex ring. Irish_Dem Jan 3 #33
Putin hinted about having some damaging photos of TACO a week or so back. marble falls Jan 3 #36
Putin has a great deal of leverage over Trump. Irish_Dem Jan 3 #37
I can't wait to read Putin's memoirs! marble falls Jan 3 #38
Some of it we will never ever see. Irish_Dem Jan 3 #39
Yes, Epstein WAS the distraction AZJonnie Jan 3 #17
K&R UTUSN Jan 3 #4
Putin gets Europe, Xi the Pacific, Trump North and South America. Irish_Dem Jan 3 #6
Didn't XI ever play Risk? Or listen to Rizelli, "Never get involved in an Asian war?" marble falls Jan 3 #7
Xi now has the largest military force in the world. Irish_Dem Jan 3 #9
They had it also when Viet Nam kicked it's butt twice after the US (with it's "most powerful army in the world") ... marble falls Jan 3 #10
We lost that war. Irish_Dem Jan 3 #13
That largest Navy in the world doesn't hold a sparkler to the most powerful Navy in the world. It's about tonnage. ... marble falls Jan 3 #11
We underestimate China at our own peril. Irish_Dem Jan 3 #14
We over estimate it at our peril, causing us to throwing even more taxes down the rat hole of "National Defense" ... marble falls Jan 3 #18
China and Russia have already made sure the US no longer funds healthcare, Irish_Dem Jan 3 #23
I can document my thought. Can you document this one of yours? And so what? marble falls Jan 3 #25
Just think where we'd be if we didn't commit the largest transfer of wealth in human history...... AZ8theist Jan 3 #22
The Chinese until the last decade were the largest buyer of US Trasury notes. They financed our "national defense" ... marble falls Jan 3 #27
I could give a fuck about how "powerful" our military is - we need to act like walkingman Jan 3 #35
The dog is waggin'. GoCubsGo Jan 3 #8
Tail, thy name is Epstein. marble falls Jan 3 #12
. dalton99a Jan 3 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Jan 3 #16
Hey, nyt, you gutless cowards. YOU helped create this monster. YOU niyad Jan 3 #19
They're trying to pull an MTG/Boebert! marble falls Jan 3 #29
Some of us have loooooooong memories. .all the way back to 2000 niyad Jan 3 #31
Illegal and unwise. When has that ever stopped him? aeromanKC Jan 3 #20
How many were killed? Johnny2X2X Jan 3 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Jan 3 #26
Over 40 killed Johnny2X2X Jan 4 #41
Trump, Vance and Hegseth are the ones who need to be dragged out in handcuffs. Initech Jan 3 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Jan 3 #28
Certainly seems so on the face of it. marble falls Jan 3 #30
Fox News runs the government now. Initech Jan 3 #32
The Putin regime does a lot of the same criminal acts. GoodRaisin Jan 3 #34
Whitehouse reply: La loi, c'est moi. GJGCA Jan 3 #40

marble falls

(71,950 posts)
5. You forgot Epstein. The most important Epstein. ...
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:44 AM
Jan 3

... with apologies to Groucho Marx and the Humadinga, Humadinga, Humadinga and Humadinga law offices.

Irish_Dem

(81,309 posts)
33. We know some of our enemies funded Epstein's sex ring.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:40 PM
Jan 3

It has served their diabolic goals well.

Irish_Dem

(81,309 posts)
37. Putin has a great deal of leverage over Trump.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:46 PM
Jan 3

We don't know the full extent of it, but it scares Trump a great deal.

AZJonnie

(3,707 posts)
17. Yes, Epstein WAS the distraction
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 11:59 AM
Jan 3

Venezuela is not the distraction from Epstein, it's the other way around. Like I've been saying for months. Trump's not worried about the Epstein thing, he never was, and this action to take control of VZ's oil was the goal, everything was set up while the public focused on Epstein.

Irish_Dem

(81,309 posts)
6. Putin gets Europe, Xi the Pacific, Trump North and South America.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:49 AM
Jan 3

The dictators have divided up the planet.
No one has noticed or cared.

Irish_Dem

(81,309 posts)
9. Xi now has the largest military force in the world.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:16 AM
Jan 3

And largest Navy in the Pacific.

He is in charge of that part of the world.
And Trump won't stop him.

marble falls

(71,950 posts)
10. They had it also when Viet Nam kicked it's butt twice after the US (with it's "most powerful army in the world") ...
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:22 AM
Jan 3

... retreated.

Even the Chinese understood involving itself in Asian war was not the best idea.

marble falls

(71,950 posts)
11. That largest Navy in the world doesn't hold a sparkler to the most powerful Navy in the world. It's about tonnage. ...
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:29 AM
Jan 3

... weaponry and an ability to make a presence anywhere in the world, and the US Navy is the only Naval power in the world capable of doing that.

The largest air force on the planet is the US Air Force. The second largest air force? The US Navy.

It's about a lot more than numbers. We don't outspend the next seven nations put together for "defense" and achieve nothing. We aren't ignoring social programs and the welfare of the weakest of US citizens for nothing.

marble falls

(71,950 posts)
18. We over estimate it at our peril, causing us to throwing even more taxes down the rat hole of "National Defense" ...
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:00 PM
Jan 3

... to the detriment of our weaker citizens and the national health and education of us all.

Irish_Dem

(81,309 posts)
23. China and Russia have already made sure the US no longer funds healthcare,
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:25 PM
Jan 3

education, science, etc.

China and Russia have already won the war they rage against the US.

Now they get the spoils of that war.

No one noticed, no one cared.

AZ8theist

(7,382 posts)
22. Just think where we'd be if we didn't commit the largest transfer of wealth in human history......
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:23 PM
Jan 3

...to China in the name of corporate greed. No other reason.
Just so a select few could become insanely rich at the expense of 99.9999% of the rest of us.

marble falls

(71,950 posts)
27. The Chinese until the last decade were the largest buyer of US Trasury notes. They financed our "national defense" ...
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:32 PM
Jan 3

... overspending. They were investing on the US sterling reputation for repaying our debts with interest.

walkingman

(10,869 posts)
35. I could give a fuck about how "powerful" our military is - we need to act like
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:43 PM
Jan 3

a decent country. Our foreign policy is terrible, and our leadership is disgusting.

Response to marble falls (Original post)

Johnny2X2X

(24,212 posts)
21. How many were killed?
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:14 PM
Jan 3

Haven’t been able to find that information yet. Bombing a densely populated city certainly killed scores of civilians.

Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #21)

Response to Initech (Reply #24)

Initech

(108,785 posts)
32. Fox News runs the government now.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 12:40 PM
Jan 3

And Trump will do whatever they tell him. That shitty network needs to be purged from DC.

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