"My country, right or wrong?"

[kentuck]

No, this is not my country.

My country does not illegally attack another country, regardless of what drugs they might be pushing.

This is not a sign of strength, it is a sign of weakness.

I am not defending Maduro or Venezuela.

I am defending the US Constitution.

[rzemanfl]

1. It stopped being our country

last January 20th. We have to take it back.

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

21. Acutally in 2000

when the Supreme Court decided the election

[debsy]

24. Do you mean in 2000 when the Supreme Court decided the election?

Joe Biden won the 2020 election without any assistance from the Supreme Court.

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

25. Oops, thank you it has been fixed

[debsy]

31. Anytime!😀

[rzemanfl]

32. That was pretty awful, but this court is far worse. n/t

[Walleye]

2. If he wanted to show some strength, he could attack Putin, but he's too big of a coward to take on Russia

They are the real culprit, and war, criminals, and real threat to our national security. I think we need to Congress to give us a clear definition of natural security. Drugs do not threaten our existence. The president did not take an oath to protect the American people. The oath is to protect the constitution, folks.

[gab13by13]

3. This Is Our Country

We need to take it back.

[kentuck]

4. Possession is 99% of the law...

Paraphrasing, but we are not in possession of this country at this time.

[gab13by13]

10. We voted for this, supposedly.

[Farmer-Rick]

18. We voted for this just like

The Venezuelan people voted for Maduro.

[GiqueCee]

5. URP...

... nobody's driving ossifer, we're all in the back seat!

Those with the authority to rein this monster in either have a vested interest in his depredations, are too chickenshit to do anything, or, most likely, both.

(On edit) The Uniform Code of Military Justice to which you referred is quite specific regarding illegal orders. This fiasco most definitely qualifies as an illegal order. The 1968 My Lai Massacre in Viet Nam was stopped by a chopper pilot named Hugh Thompson and his crew, citing the code as justification for the intervention. At first, he apparently got into trouble for it, but a more careful review of the events showed him to be a hero, and he was vindicated. Lieutenant Calley was not so lucky.

[kentuck]

6. Does he invade Greenland next?

I would not be surprised.

[GiqueCee]

8. Neither would I (nt)

[ColoringFool]

12. Absolutely. What Or Who Is To Stop Him? (Rhetorical)

[doc03]

7. I look for Trump's poll numbers to go up. Nothing like war

to get those polls up. How is this any different than Russia invading Ukraine?

[Katinfl]

9. Not so sure about the polls going up.

didn’t he campaign on not starting any “forever” wars? Didn’t he campaign on America first? How does invading Venezuela benefit us in any way? Magats are too stupid to realize this.

[PatSeg]

14. I'm not sure that his followers

were even paying that much attention to what he said when he campaigned. It was pretty easy to let it go in one ear and out the other as he rambled into incoherent nonsense much of the time.

They'd made up their minds and he was the alternative to the "radical leftist communists". Until his actions affect them directly and profoundly, they'll probably continue to support him. It's not like they've put a lot of thought into supporting him.

[Wiz Imp]

17. Zero chance of that happening. His poll numbers will go down.

[paleotn]

19. While the underlying problems behind those abysmal poll numbers keep chugging along.

Maybe a bump up for a few milliseconds. But then we're back to the real world. After all, most Americans couldn't pick out Venezuela on a map if they were forced to and really don't care. They've got more pressing problems at home.

The only upside if you want to call it that is the release of some sanctions related to Venezuelan oil. But that's only minor since Venezuelan production has increased every month since 2022. Don't expect much relief at the gas pump from all these shenanigans.

In my mind, this is a whole lot to do about not much and people won't remember it in 3 months. What will be interesting is trying to prosecute Maduro on something....anything. The regime is almost guaranteed to royally fuck that up.

[ColoringFool]

11. Not The Entire Quotation. N/T

[thesquanderer]

13. re: "regardless of what drugs they might be pushing" -- or how much oil they have. (n/t)

[AllaN01Bear]

16. ding! this !

i was 4 fed when i went to selective service in 1976. i have had so many lables attached to me in my years on this rock , it aint funny,. i was in the civil air patrol for a very short bit. but where i do my best is defending my right to protest and to vote . however i love my vets .

[Wiz Imp]

20. The truly great Jackson Browne song "For America" :

[Verse 1]
As if I really didn't understand
That I was just another part of their plan
I went off looking for the promise
Believing in the Motherland
From the comfort of a dreamer's bed
And the safety of my own head
I went on speaking of the future
While other people fought and bled

[Pre-Chorus]
The kid I was when I first left home
Was looking for his freedom and a life of his own
But the freedom that he found wasn't quite as sweet
When the truth was known

[Chorus]
I have prayed for America
I was made for America
It's in my blood and in my bones
By the dawn's early light
By all I know is right
We're gonna reap what we have sown

[Verse 2]
As if freedom was a question of might
As if loyalty was black and white
You hear people say it all the time
"My country wrong or right"
I want to know what that's got to do
With what it takes to find out what's true
With everyone from the President on down
Trying to keep it from you

[Pre-Chorus]
The thing I wonder about the Dads and Moms
Who send their sons to the Vietnams
Will they really think their way of life
Has been protected as the next war comes?

[Chorus]
I have prayed for America
I was made for America
Her shining dream plays in my mind
By the rocket's red glare
A generation's blank stare
We better wake her up this time
Yeah

[Pre-Chorus]
The kid I was when I first left home
Was looking for his freedom and a life of his own
But the freedom that he found wasn't quite as sweet
When the truth was known

[Chorus]
I have prayed for America
I was made for America
I can't let go 'til she's come around
Until the land of the free
Is awake and can see
And until her conscience has been found

[multigraincracker]

27. Black and white thinking.

Reality is, it’s all gray.

[PCB66]

22. The Constitution only says

what the Supreme Court says it says.

The Supreme Court Justices are political appointees and they have no enforcement mechanism.

See the reality?

[debsy]

23. Regime change has been US foreign policy for a long time

It is typically done for the benefit of wealthy interests and corporations: Plantation (sugar cane) and other tropical fruit companies were early beneficiaries (think Hawa’i, the Philippines, Caribbean, among other nations), as were Oil and defense companies - any interests of the rich. Manifest Destiny and the Monroe doctrine have long been a thing in the good ol’ USA. We did, after all, learn from the world’s premier colonists…

I wouldn’t be surprised if he has plans to invade Mexico next. The guy is a raving lunatic. He, Putin, Xi, Netanyahu, Un, and probably the Saudis are all divvying up the planet amongst themselves. Meanwhile, we sit here and complain on a little electrical gadget because nobody in a position to do anything is leading the charge. We need mass mobilization to counter these guys and it needs to be in a global scale.

https://www.history.com/articles/us-overthrow-foreign-governments]

[Mblaze]

26. There has been a Republican precedent.

George H.W. Bush attacked Panama, destroyed many of the ghettos, leaving the high end neighborhoods intact, and captured Manuel Noriega to bring him to jail in America.

Dubya backed a coup in Haiti and removed Aristide to Africa for being non-compliant to American wishes leaving Haiti in the condition it is now in.

[BannonsLiver]

28. I'm guessing it will be largely popular with the American public.

People love military force and violence. The media will glamorize it. Almost certain that it will at least temporarily boost Donnie’s previously flagging approval ratings.

[Martin Eden]

29. My country, love it or leave it?

No. The truest way to love OUR country is striving to make it better.

In the eyes of the world, The Felon is turning America into a pariah nation. What our government does, it does in ALL our names.

Trust, once tossed aside and lost, will require much effort and time to earn again.

That Shining City on a Hill is an ideal sometimes glimpsed, but never fully reached. I think we all want our country to be a shining beacon for a troubled world.

Time to roll up our sleeves and get to work.

[AverageOldGuy]

30. Watching Trump's press conference

I’m about to puke.

[electric_blue68]

33. Original Quote. Then the addendum, which erroniously gets shortened....

my italic, underline from AI info, but I've known there's that second part of the quote for a long time

Stephen Decatur (1816): The idea began with a toast where he said, "Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong," meaning loyalty to the nation itself, not necessarily its actions in foreign affairs.
Carl Schurz (1872): A German-born senator, he popularized the phrase but added the crucial caveat: "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right".