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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPam Bondi has charged Nicols Maduro with "possession of machine guns" under the National Firearms Act of 1934,
According to Professor Vladeck, the legal justification for today's action was the arrest of Maduro by two FBI agents who were being protected by the military. Here is part of the indictment of Maduro
Link to tweet
Think about how absurd that is.
By that logic, China or Russia can kidnap Trump and sentence him to death for possessing 5,200 nuclear warheads under their domestic laws.
American presidents are now supposedly immune from prosecution for their official acts, yet foreign presidents can be arrested for allegedly violating U.S. statutes that do not apply to foreign citizens, in foreign countries.
You can hate Maduro and still recognize that this precedent is reckless, hypocritical, and dangerous, because once domestic law becomes a weapon against foreign leaders, no country gets to complain when its done to us next.

bucolic_frolic
(54,053 posts)US Law has no jurisdiction in Venezuela.
underpants
(194,931 posts)but to screw up SOMEHOW
Conspiracy RICO - he do have evidence, right?
sop
(17,438 posts)Traildogbob
(12,561 posts)Be applied to most J6ers and most of the militia terrorists here at home.
C_U_L8R
(48,881 posts)(besides the ones on Trumps payroll, that is)
NickB79
(20,247 posts)That's an impossible charge to prosecute.
Imagine Canada crossing the border, abducting American citizens that own AR-15's legally in the US, and charging them with owning illegal firearms under Canada's strict firearms laws.
dalton99a
(92,127 posts)flvegan
(65,777 posts)sheshe2
(95,908 posts)flvegan
(65,777 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(174,977 posts)Professor Vladek has a some good analysis on any possible trial of Maduro in US courts. There is an issue of head of state immunity.
open.substack.com/pub/stevevla.... Steve Vladeck
— Maria & Carol Los (@terpsichorecmlos.bsky.social) 2026-01-03T23:27:00.538Z
https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/200-five-questions-about-the-maduro?r=4obbfg&utm_medium=ios&shareImageVariant=overlay&triedRedirect=true
On head-of-state immunity, theres no doubt that, as one district court put it in 1994, A head-of-state recognized by the United States government is absolutely immune from personal jurisdiction in United States courts unless that immunity has been waived by statute or by the foreign government recognized by the United States. The issue here is recognition. Unlike Noriega in Panama (who was at most the de facto head of state), Maduro lawfully served as interim president after Hugo Chávezs 2013 death; and he was formally recognized as the Venezuelan head of state for yearsby both the Obama and Trump administrationsafter his 2013 election. Its only since 2019, after serious concerns arose regarding the integrity of the 2018 Venezuelan elections, that the United States has refused to recognize Maduro as the lawful head of statein a context in which, unlike what was true for Noriega, Maduro would have at least some claim that he was lawfully serving in that position under Venezuelan law. In other words, Maduro was, for quite some time, recognized as Venezuelas head of state. And even during the period in which he wasnt, he has at least a plausible claim that he was nevertheless entitled to immunity. Either way, that question seems much closer here than in the Noriega case (or others).
And even if courts ultimately reject head-of-state immunity, they may still conclude that Maduro is insulated from liability for official acts, especially in light of the Supreme Courts embrace of a version of constitutional official act immunity for President Trump in Trump v. United States. In its 2012 ruling in Yousuf v. Samantar, the Fourth Circuit carefully analyzed both of these immunity doctrines before holding that they did not apply to a high-ranking official in Somalia during the military regime of General Mohamed Barre. But there are lots of grounds on which Maduros arguments could well be strongerincluding his higher status; the extent to which the acts hes charged with are not as obviously violations of jus cogens norms of international law; and so on.
All of this is to say that the prosecution will be no slam dunk, especially with regard to the charges against Maduro himself. That may not matter in the grander scheme of things, but its yet another way in which Fridays operation raises more questions than it answers.
This will be an interesting trial that is NOT a slam dunk
Progressive dog
(7,572 posts)Dumber than a stump. She doesn't know what national means,
Vinca
(53,354 posts)Historic NY
(39,658 posts)They won't even go after them here for US citizens
BoycottTwitter
(93 posts)I wanted to link to Bluesky to give people an alternative to Twitter but it turns out that https://bsky.app/profile/krassenstein.bsky.social never posted that particular Tweet on Bluesky.
So as an alternative you can use Nitter to view the Tweet without needing an account. https://nitter.net/krassenstein/status/2007589138233508341
Bettie
(19,285 posts)is that Bondi and everyone else at the DOJ is brain dead. Like, practically vegetable level stupid.
ETA: And by vegetable, I mean, her brain has as much gray matter as an average head of cabbage does....none.
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(1,814 posts)UTUSN
(76,947 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(174,977 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(132,865 posts)Just saying.