Have we forgotten that if you punch someone without provocation

[dobleremolque]

they are generally entitled to punch you back? I don't expect squadrons of war planes or warships to darken the horizon. Venezuela can't muster that kind of retaliation.

But Ukraine's response to Russia has demonstrated a lot about asymmetric warfare as a successful strategy against supposedly overwhelming force weilded against you.

Do you think Venezuelan patriotism is of baser stuff than American patriotism? Do you think no one in Caracas wants to punch us back?

[choie]

1. According to the media

Venezuelans are welcoming us with candy and flowers.

[dobleremolque]

5. "According to the media".....???

The oligarch-owned, sycophant-edited, sane-washing, quiet-piggy, Trump tongue-bathing United States media? That media?

Here's a better source: https://venezuelanalysis.com/

[choie]

6. I guess I shoulld have added the sarcasm emoji

but I thought it was obvious.

[BootinUp]

2. It appears we have already withdrawn.

I haven’t seen or heard anything about our military still being on the ground in country.

[choie]

7. We acted illegally

Whether we already left the scene of the crime or not.

[BootinUp]

10. I have no issue with you mentioning that. But I was addressing another point. nt

[Polybius]

3. Many key differences

The US is way stronger than Russia, Venezuela is weaker than Ukraine, and Maduro was hated by most of his people.

[Dave says]

8. The best I can find is 34%

34% disapprove of Maduro. Some 65% of exiles disapprove of him, but that only adds a few points to the 34%.

I base this on a post earlier here at DU.

[Polybius]

12. Don't believe polling in Venezuela, the government runs the media

He lost the last election by 70% of the vote. He's hated.

[FascismIsDeath]

4. Iraqis cheered when Saddam was caught. But don't forget what happened afterwards.

None of us, whether we agreed with the Iraq war (I did not) or disagreed with it, would deny that it was a good thing that Saddam Hussein was no longer in power.

No, the real problem with that was, in terms of our invasion of Iraq, literally every other single god damn thing about it but that... especially the lies that got us into it and the complete lack of a competent plan to restabilize the country after doing that.

[choie]

9. The real problem

is that it was illegal. As is this action.

[FascismIsDeath]

11. Yea when I said "literally every other single god damn thing about it", I covered that.