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(73,084 posts)Doodley
(11,636 posts)walkingman
(10,350 posts)BootinUp
(50,956 posts)As far as US involvement, I don't see any further incursions into the populated areas of the country.
Doodley
(11,636 posts)Straw Man
(6,928 posts)The powers-that-were had a shitty plan for Iraq, but at least they had a plan. And look what a clusterfuck that turned out to be. This putz has no plan -- or maybe he has "concepts of a plan." Feh ...
Johonny
(25,471 posts)Answered. Are we in power there? If so with who? Are there more strikes to come? What is the plan? Are we seriously charging Maduro?
And is oil hitting all time highs to make all this oil valuable?
Doodley
(11,636 posts)enid602
(9,617 posts)China, EU and Latin America will start to apply US-style sanctions against the US. Given that most of these countries have diversified away from trade with the US (thanks to Trumps wild and unpredictable tariffs), they can now punish us economically without fear of retribution. Another win for Putin.
Doodley
(11,636 posts)fujiyamasan
(1,227 posts)Even after last April, countries came back to the negotiating table, because of our economic strength.
Venezuela really isnt that important in the grand scheme of things. Europe is much more focused on Ukraine. Chinas issue is Taiwan. Latin America is heavily dependent on the US for its exports. Russia knows it hasnt a leg to stand on here (and is of course using Trump as their negotiating proxy).
Unless Americans actually take a stand against the republicans this November, nothing will change.
enid602
(9,617 posts)Mexico is now with the EU and China when it comes to trade. Same with Canada. US is perceived as being too unreliable.
Chinas exports to the US are now only 3% of their GDP. China has most of the worlds rare earth mineral reserves, and can bring us to our knees.
The USD has lost much of its value, and those dollars will be coming home. All because of Trumps export policy.
Greg_In_SF
(887 posts)the lives of the Venezuelan people will drastically improve.
Jack Valentino
(4,375 posts)where the pieces will fall....
and Trump and his buddies gave no thought beyond 'the first step' !
Much like the middle east, that region is full of independent militarist gangs
who will likely feel 'empowered' by the removal of 'the big guy',
even armed gangs from Colombia who reputedly operate across the border.
(Over the past few years, I have been 'internet friends' with
a lot of women in Colombia, and one Venezuelan who had lived in Colombia....
I had some thought of visiting Colombia, until I heard too many stories
about the violence in Colombia perpetrated by many of these armed gangs---
The less-bad stories were about them shutting down transportation routes,
and the more bad stories were about young women relatives having been murdered
in crimes that were never solved---
And the one Venezuelan girl whom I knew briefly over the internet,
who had been living in Colombia---- she told me she was going back home
to Venezuela for the Christmas holidays--- but I never heard from her again....
During that exact same time period, I read about Venezuelan women
who were selling off their HAIR near the border, just to survive!)
RockRaven
(18,726 posts)in all manner of aspects.
ret5hd
(22,196 posts)of the drug and oil money.
Doodley
(11,636 posts)patphil
(8,733 posts)There's going to be violence; these kind of events are loaded with unforeseen consequences.
We'll probably have to put boots on the ground to keep it from going sideways in a big way, and may have to stay there several years to get the kind of leader we want and keep him in power.
Short term gain for Trump, long term disaster for him and the republicans. 2nd Vietnam anyone?
Doodley
(11,636 posts)Skittles
(169,584 posts)seems like Iraq's "WMDS" are now Venezuela's "drugs"
Dulcinea
(9,672 posts)Maybe he KNOWS he won't live much longer & is willing to take this nation down with him? It's the ultimate revenge on a world that doesn't love him as much as he loves himself. He wants to be remembered & doesn't care how.
Jack Valentino
(4,375 posts)Secretary of State Rubio--- who is the ONLY cabinet officer of Trump's
whom I still consider to be "mildly sane".....
If they actually now DO any such thing,
my prediction is that the Democrats retake BOTH the House AND the US Senate---
like we did in 2006!
(After which the purported 'prince of peace' would do god-knows-what to god-knows-whom---
storing some water, non-perishable foods, and moving away from the largest cities
would be my non-professional advice...)
UTUSN
(76,947 posts)At this point he can't escape that everybody sees that everything is about his megamaniacle, soulless neediness. The drugs and oil don't provide a noble mission and coupled with the naked greed, will collapse in prosecution. The MAGAts and the Repukes are crumbling.
But even worse, PUTEEN and China are empowered - goodbye Ukraine, Taiwan, and parts of Europe. III
He'll take us all down his toilet with him.
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GP6971
(37,630 posts)Did you take a wrong turn?
madinmaryland
(65,668 posts)Kennah
(14,547 posts)Kennah
(14,547 posts)regnaD kciN
(27,468 posts)At the moment, were in the utterly absurd situation where the U.S. has come and gone, claiming that we will run things in Venezuela, but apparently with absolutely no remaining military presence there.
Are we about to see an influx of boots on the ground? Are we going to see the Trump regime declare victory and get out, leaving their current leadership to run things as usual, but pretending were somehow in control? Frankly, were so deep into Bizarroworld at this moment, its near-impossible to tell how it will turn out.
H2O Man
(78,637 posts)Recommended.
JBTaurus83
(873 posts)They will install the Nazi woman who won the peace prize, she will give it to Canks. The country will fall into civil war, oil prices will rise, helping his Saudi besties.
CentralMass
(16,855 posts)"The reaction across Latin America has been deeply divided, largely split along ideological lines. While some leaders see the U.S. intervention as a flagrant violation of sovereignty, others have celebrated it as a necessary end to a "dictatorship."
Here is how the major players in the region have responded:
The Critics (Condemnation of U.S. Actions)
The most vocal opposition comes from left-leaning governments who view the military strikes and the capture of Maduro as a dangerous precedent.
Brazil: President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva stated that the U.S. actions "crossed an unacceptable line," comparing the intervention to the "darkest moments" of U.S. interference in Latin American history.
Colombia: President Gustavo Petro rejected the "aggression against the sovereignty of Venezuela" and mobilized Colombian armed forces to the border, primarily to manage a potential humanitarian crisis and a "massive influx" of refugees.
Chile: President Gabriel Boric condemned the use of force, emphasizing that the crisis should be resolved through civil dialogue and international law, not foreign military intervention.
Cuba: President Miguel Díaz-Canel labeled the operation "state terrorism" and a "criminal attack," calling for an urgent international response.
The Supporters (Welcoming the Intervention)
In contrast, several right-leaning leaders have openly supported the move, focusing on the removal of Maduro rather than the legality of the U.S. action.
Argentina: President Javier Milei was one of the first to celebrate, posting "Liberty advances!" on social media and stating that Argentina is ready to support a transition to a "free and democratic" Venezuela.
Ecuador: President Daniel Noboa supported the move, suggesting that the "time was coming" for those he labeled as "narco-Chávista criminals" to face justice.
Summary of Regional Stances
Country/Group Primary Stance Key Concern
Argentina / Ecuador Supportive Ending regional crime and migration at its source.
Brazil / Chile Critical Violation of international law and regional peace.
Colombia Anxious/Neutral Humanitarian crisis and border stability.
Mexico Opposed Rejection of foreign military intervention.
Exiled Venezuelans Relieved "
JustAnotherGen
(37,579 posts)Devolve into guerrilla warfare, poverty increases even more than today, an influx of refugees at the US border, Donold will state "gas prices are down" and the Magapubs get to run on lower gas prices in the midterm.
Rstrstx
(1,642 posts)It looks like the administration hasnt really thought this through. Venezuelans in the US may be happy today but I have this sinking feeling its not going to last very long. Hope Im wrong.
GreatGazoo
(4,476 posts)If the US stages troops in Venezuela then the lefty government of Columbia is likely the next target.
Niger and Iran are cued up. Taiwan is under threat so I don't see Venezuela being a priority. Maduro went down without a fight so they will take "W" and move on to suppressing oil production elsewhere in order to boost oil prices and the USD.