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LuckyCharms

(21,933 posts)
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 05:04 PM 21 hrs ago

There is just too much smoke for the Epstein Files to be insignificant.

I listened to Sascha Riley's story last night. It shook me to my core. Is it entirely true? I reserve judgement. But I think at least some of it is exactly true.

Couple that with the foot dragging on releasing the files, and I think the following...

I think there was an enormous trafficking operation that Trump, not Epstein, was in charge of. I think Trump was the boss, with Epstein as an underling.

I think it wasn't only sex. It was murder and torture.

And I think that the nation would be shocked to hear the details.

And I think THAT is at the VERY CORE of what has happened to this country in the last ten or so years.

I think THAT is what is causing all of this bullshit.

And I think that several high ranking people in all branches of government are shitting themselves, because they're involved.

Just my opinion...there's too much smoke. Something horrible happened, and it changed this country forever.

https://substack.com/inbox/post/184279636

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There is just too much smoke for the Epstein Files to be insignificant. (Original Post) LuckyCharms 21 hrs ago OP
I agree with every point. FalloutShelter 21 hrs ago #1
Banks would do anything for money, Dan 21 hrs ago #3
AI Video enid602 20 hrs ago #8
Drip...drip...drip FalloutShelter 20 hrs ago #9
The way this has played out, I'm becoming more and more convinced that Wiz Imp 21 hrs ago #2
His story fits in with the rumors that nobody says outloud. Blue Full Moon 20 hrs ago #4
Yup. LuckyCharms 20 hrs ago #5
"They need to take cadaver dogs to Epstein's island." Wiz Imp 20 hrs ago #7
Oh that reminds me to Google "Trump Epstein" again Blue Owl 20 hrs ago #6
Absolutely. If there were nothing there, the papers would've been released. nt TBF 18 hrs ago #10
I am glad you picked up on the story that Trump was central to SR's account... Hugin 18 hrs ago #11
MURDER? vapor2 18 hrs ago #12
Wonder if this is what my sister was talking about this morning? ms.pamela 18 hrs ago #13
I've only gleaned a few details of Sasha Riley's account, but it correlates with Gaugamela 18 hrs ago #14
Wayback Machine: www.rileykiraly.com corderopunch 11 hrs ago #15
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote 2 hrs ago #16
I think the right plants these stories...or at least allows them to proliferate Melon 2 hrs ago #17
I think a more outlandish conspiratorial theory is thinking that... LuckyCharms 2 hrs ago #18
No.i actually don't understand what your saying. Melon 1 hr ago #19
I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. LuckyCharms 1 hr ago #20
Oh shit. I was thinking you were referencing Riley Laken. Not Gaines😬 Melon 1 hr ago #22
OK...sorry if any confusion. LuckyCharms 1 hr ago #23
I remember seeing boy's names on one photo of a list of victims. travelingthrulife 1 hr ago #21

FalloutShelter

(14,200 posts)
1. I agree with every point.
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 05:29 PM
21 hrs ago

Makes double sense of the “secret server” in Trump Tower.
Maybe thats why the monster at 1600 is always taunting us with “Russia,!Russia, Russia” because that is the very least of it. The server was the money transfers for the most deprived acts imaginable and this is why no American banks would touch Trump?

Maybe?🤔

Dan

(4,992 posts)
3. Banks would do anything for money,
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 05:32 PM
21 hrs ago

but they couldn't trust Trump to pay them back.

Agreed with everything else - except Trump being the boss - he is too stupid and lacks impulse controls. If I had to guess who was in charge of the operations, my money on the Russians.

enid602

(9,619 posts)
8. AI Video
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 06:24 PM
20 hrs ago

Two weeks ago I found a very suspicious AI video on YouTube. I see them all the time, and don’t pay much attention to them. This AI video claimed that Congress was finally able to get copies of Deutsche Bank’s records relating to all of Trump’s business with the Bank. the video claimed that there are 2 1/2 BILLION USD in suspicious wire transfers that were deposited to Trump Organization accounts up to and during Trump 2.0. It claimed that half of the suspicious deposits (each has a ‘suspicious deposit’ flag provided by German bank auditors) came from Epstein related entities, and the other half were received from Russian entities. Congress supposedly confirmed with the IRS that deposits received by Trump’s offshore entities were never reported on Trump Organization tax declarations, and that the IRS is owed $500 million in back taxes, interest and penalties.

A couple of nights ago MSNOW was talking about Deutsche Bank and the $500 BILLION IN BACK TAXES, so I’m wondering now if the AI video is perhaps actually factual.

Wiz Imp

(9,045 posts)
2. The way this has played out, I'm becoming more and more convinced that
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 05:32 PM
21 hrs ago

some things such as Sascha Wiley detailed almost surely took place even if his accounting may not be 100% reliable (we don't know how credible it is yet). Obviously, none of it has been completely verified yet, so we will see if any proof of any of the claims surfaces.

https://lisevoldeng.substack.com/p/dont-worry-boys-are-hard-to-find
From Lisa Noelle Voldeng's Substack:

Among them, I spoke to folks at Senator Wyden’s office, and the House Oversight Committee Democrat’s Office. I contacted the HOCDO office on September 4, 2025, and followed up by sending documents, including Sascha’s testimony, to their whistleblower account. During September 19, 2025, Sascha and I conducted a meeting with House Oversight Committee Democrat Office aides, upon their review of my documents. We expressed our extreme concerns that Trump and conspirators were attempting to escalate criminal activity globally, imminently. We also told them to swiftly obtain critical copies of evidence, before the United States government shutdown. Among such evidence, copies of a circa 2010 report (and attendant child pornography material) stored in the permanent records of a United States military base. The records detail the court-martial of a soldier that Sascha served with. The soldier was caught with child pornography that included films of Sascha and one of the trafficking victims, Samantha, who was later murdered because of the film’s popularity. The film was produced within the Trump/Epstein and associated enterprises, several years earlier. Please see Part 2 section “bullet of case background” for my overview, and audio files A through F for Sascha’s description of related incidents.


https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/sascha-sasha-riley-testimony-audio-interview-lisa-noelle-voldeng-substack-jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump-jim-jordan-article-153443473
According to the testimony summary, Riley claims he is willing to testify against several well-known individuals, including President Donald Trump, Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan, Arizona Congressman Andy Biggs, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

These claims are presented as allegations only, currently circulating through social media posts, interviews, and a Substack publication, not through official indictments or verified court records.

Evidence Claims Mentioned
The publisher asserts that supporting material exists, including:

-Pornographic films and videos
-CPS and FBI reports related to William Kyle Riley (WKR), who is alleged to have trafficked Sascha
-A military report involving a court-martial linked to child pornography
-Documents said to be obtainable via FOIA requests
It is also claimed that some evidence has been suppressed and that corroborative materials are meant to support what the publisher calls “truthful testimony.”


Then there is this from Threads:

Post by @aiskeydontplayskey
View on Threads


/what-i-have-personally-confirmed-william-kyle-riley-is-a-yr-old-helicopter
Some key pieces of this long thread:
What i have personally confirmed:
1. William Kyle Riley is a 76 yr old helicopter pilot living in Georgia who graduated from Troy University in Alabama.
2. “William Riley” is recommended by Epstein directly in a released email.
3. “Bill Riley” is mentioned several times in testimony from the manager of Epstein’s Palm Beach compound.
4. A little silly, but on FB, the second person in William Riley’s following list is Lindsey Graham.
@saschabarros

10. William Kyle Riley, pilot from Georgia who follows Lindsey Graham on FB and father of Sacha Riley was a licensed Private Investigator in Georgia. Why does a decorated pilot also need to be a secret PI?

Umm… this is a big one
8. “Bill Riley” is mentioned in this article from 2015. He’s referred to as a “private investigator” hired by Alan Dershowitz to *stalk and discredit* an Epstein victim. Two other names mentioned are “Steve Kiraly” and attorney “Roy Black”

To summarize what I’m confident of so far: Sascha Barros aka William Sascha Riley is related to William Kyle Riley who lives in Georgia and is a helicopter pilot (and follows Lindsey Graham on FB.)
There is a least one Bill Riley who worked for Epstein doing nasty work like stalking and discrediting victims, but I don’t know if it’s Sascha’s Bill Riley.

Blue Full Moon

(3,192 posts)
4. His story fits in with the rumors that nobody says outloud.
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 05:34 PM
20 hrs ago

They need to take cadaver dogs to Epstein's island.

LuckyCharms

(21,933 posts)
5. Yup.
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 05:37 PM
20 hrs ago

If Mr. Riley is being untruthful, then he's doing a damn good job of it, because he is convincing.

And I don't think he's being paid, because there is no amount of money in the world that most people would accept, knowing that they are putting a bullseye on their head.

Hugin

(37,470 posts)
11. I am glad you picked up on the story that Trump was central to SR's account...
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 08:06 PM
18 hrs ago

And not Epstein independently of me. I noticed that too. I still believe the core of the two sex slavers falling out was that Epstein recognized that Trump was a loose impulsive cannon whose extreme behavior threatened the entire syndicate.

After hearing SR’s account. I really don’t know if I can stomach any more of the Republicans and mass media covering for the horrors that occurred and you know we only have the slightest inkling at this point.

We should no longer refer to Trump as a Pedophile. There’s no phile about him. He’s a pedocidal maniac. Homicide is to Trump as fire is to an arsonist.

ms.pamela

(78 posts)
13. Wonder if this is what my sister was talking about this morning?
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 08:08 PM
18 hrs ago

She was in tears telling me about something she saw on Bluesky concerning a young man who was victimized by trump and others. This occurred at times in Tennessee I believe. I will tell you a true story that occurred in the 1970's. A person I knew was a police officer for a city in Tennessee then. A young woman had escaped some Satanic cult that was operating in Kentucky. She feared for her life, human sacrifice was part of the horrible things that happened there and the people doing these things were high up in the government and business world. Well, this person quit being a police officer after hearing this because they were so terrified.

Gaugamela

(3,260 posts)
14. I've only gleaned a few details of Sasha Riley's account, but it correlates with
Tue Jan 13, 2026, 08:13 PM
18 hrs ago

some of the details in this document in the DOJ’s Epstein files: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00037900.pdf

I expect that the files also contain evidence of financial crimes, like extortion and money laundering.

corderopunch

(1 post)
15. Wayback Machine: www.rileykiraly.com
Wed Jan 14, 2026, 02:33 AM
11 hrs ago

You can find William K. Riley's security company website, featuring many familiar names, on the Wayback Machine: www.rileykiraly.com, over the 2000's. It also provides bios for Riley and his cronies at many points that paint the picture, filling in the gaps with what has been alleged, that he was a cop in FL that was "undercover" and never really left that cover. Got in with some nasty types but also flipped on them but kept the racket going as a security company - which is a common tactic of organized crime. Maybe he did take down money laundering and drugs, maybe his team members did nab some stalkers, but he got a taste for something else along the way.

Melon

(1,114 posts)
17. I think the right plants these stories...or at least allows them to proliferate
Wed Jan 14, 2026, 12:23 PM
2 hrs ago

The overall population just loses interest in things over time. There are the left and right but a huge population of independents plus people who voted right but are truly in the middle.

As these stories get more and more….outrageous. Trump committing murder, trump murdering people on Epstein island. Bodies now being buried on Epstein island, the overall story further loses credibility. It gets easy to right off as “crazy liberals”. Would a billionaire risk everything on a woman he can never see again? How many people in an organization would have to now keep quiet for that versus just paying someone.

I believe that this stuff, the conspiracy theory stuff, just pushes the real issues further out and middle of the road people discount more of the real issues to conspiracy theories. Is it really plausible, that a billionaire and the peak of his popularity, with access to anything and already proven to readily pay people off is killing people? Are there missing woman tied to any of this? Cadaver dogs can’t find a scent 20 years after something has happened. Sex trafficking amongst the ultra wealthy happens every day here and around the world not because of murder, but because there is an endless stream of younger woman willing to do things for money or a lifestyle they wouldn’t have access to any other way. Dubai is full of beautiful woman from the US, Asia, and Europe. It’s horrible but they aren’t killed, they are paid. If things go wrong they are paid more.

Trump is shit. But the number of conspiracy theories that appear fringe when we read them is a sideshow to the crimes we know have happened and there is evidence.

LuckyCharms

(21,933 posts)
18. I think a more outlandish conspiratorial theory is thinking that...
Wed Jan 14, 2026, 12:31 PM
2 hrs ago

the right planted Riley's story.

See how that works?

Melon

(1,114 posts)
19. No.i actually don't understand what your saying.
Wed Jan 14, 2026, 12:53 PM
1 hr ago

Are you saying that the Riley Gaines murder didn’t happen or that believing it didn’t happen is a conspiracy theory?

I think the right is very good at taking something that resonates with their party and amplifying it. Right wing old people then don’t let it go and keep it in the headlines.

I don’t see how that’s a conspiracy because it happened, it’s documented in fact and court reports. It was just amplified and used as a weapon.

LuckyCharms

(21,933 posts)
20. I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing.
Wed Jan 14, 2026, 12:57 PM
1 hr ago

I'm talking about Sasha Riley.

Who is Riley Gaines?

Melon

(1,114 posts)
22. Oh shit. I was thinking you were referencing Riley Laken. Not Gaines😬
Wed Jan 14, 2026, 01:00 PM
1 hr ago

I get your point. Carry on!

travelingthrulife

(4,482 posts)
21. I remember seeing boy's names on one photo of a list of victims.
Wed Jan 14, 2026, 01:00 PM
1 hr ago

These are such broken people. Based on how GOP Congress a USSC is behaving, I am guessing they are all on the list. Maybe not for kiddie diddling but other blackmail-able crimes and money laundering. It was a full-service business.

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