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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere is just too much smoke for the Epstein Files to be insignificant.
I listened to Sascha Riley's story last night. It shook me to my core. Is it entirely true? I reserve judgement. But I think at least some of it is exactly true.
Couple that with the foot dragging on releasing the files, and I think the following...
I think there was an enormous trafficking operation that Trump, not Epstein, was in charge of. I think Trump was the boss, with Epstein as an underling.
I think it wasn't only sex. It was murder and torture.
And I think that the nation would be shocked to hear the details.
And I think THAT is at the VERY CORE of what has happened to this country in the last ten or so years.
I think THAT is what is causing all of this bullshit.
And I think that several high ranking people in all branches of government are shitting themselves, because they're involved.
Just my opinion...there's too much smoke. Something horrible happened, and it changed this country forever.
https://substack.com/inbox/post/184279636
FalloutShelter
(14,200 posts)Makes double sense of the secret server in Trump Tower.
Maybe thats why the monster at 1600 is always taunting us with Russia,!Russia, Russia because that is the very least of it. The server was the money transfers for the most deprived acts imaginable and this is why no American banks would touch Trump?
Maybe?🤔
Dan
(4,992 posts)but they couldn't trust Trump to pay them back.
Agreed with everything else - except Trump being the boss - he is too stupid and lacks impulse controls. If I had to guess who was in charge of the operations, my money on the Russians.
enid602
(9,619 posts)Two weeks ago I found a very suspicious AI video on YouTube. I see them all the time, and dont pay much attention to them. This AI video claimed that Congress was finally able to get copies of Deutsche Banks records relating to all of Trumps business with the Bank. the video claimed that there are 2 1/2 BILLION USD in suspicious wire transfers that were deposited to Trump Organization accounts up to and during Trump 2.0. It claimed that half of the suspicious deposits (each has a suspicious deposit flag provided by German bank auditors) came from Epstein related entities, and the other half were received from Russian entities. Congress supposedly confirmed with the IRS that deposits received by Trumps offshore entities were never reported on Trump Organization tax declarations, and that the IRS is owed $500 million in back taxes, interest and penalties.
A couple of nights ago MSNOW was talking about Deutsche Bank and the $500 BILLION IN BACK TAXES, so Im wondering now if the AI video is perhaps actually factual.
FalloutShelter
(14,200 posts)Wiz Imp
(9,045 posts)some things such as Sascha Wiley detailed almost surely took place even if his accounting may not be 100% reliable (we don't know how credible it is yet). Obviously, none of it has been completely verified yet, so we will see if any proof of any of the claims surfaces.
https://lisevoldeng.substack.com/p/dont-worry-boys-are-hard-to-find
From Lisa Noelle Voldeng's Substack:
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/sascha-sasha-riley-testimony-audio-interview-lisa-noelle-voldeng-substack-jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump-jim-jordan-article-153443473
These claims are presented as allegations only, currently circulating through social media posts, interviews, and a Substack publication, not through official indictments or verified court records.
Evidence Claims Mentioned
The publisher asserts that supporting material exists, including:
-Pornographic films and videos
-CPS and FBI reports related to William Kyle Riley (WKR), who is alleged to have trafficked Sascha
-A military report involving a court-martial linked to child pornography
-Documents said to be obtainable via FOIA requests
It is also claimed that some evidence has been suppressed and that corroborative materials are meant to support what the publisher calls truthful testimony.
Then there is this from Threads:
/what-i-have-personally-confirmed-william-kyle-riley-is-a-yr-old-helicopter
Some key pieces of this long thread:
1. William Kyle Riley is a 76 yr old helicopter pilot living in Georgia who graduated from Troy University in Alabama.
2. William Riley is recommended by Epstein directly in a released email.
3. Bill Riley is mentioned several times in testimony from the manager of Epsteins Palm Beach compound.
4. A little silly, but on FB, the second person in William Rileys following list is Lindsey Graham.
@saschabarros
8. Bill Riley is mentioned in this article from 2015. Hes referred to as a private investigator hired by Alan Dershowitz to *stalk and discredit* an Epstein victim. Two other names mentioned are Steve Kiraly and attorney Roy Black
There is a least one Bill Riley who worked for Epstein doing nasty work like stalking and discrediting victims, but I dont know if its Saschas Bill Riley.
Blue Full Moon
(3,192 posts)They need to take cadaver dogs to Epstein's island.
LuckyCharms
(21,933 posts)If Mr. Riley is being untruthful, then he's doing a damn good job of it, because he is convincing.
And I don't think he's being paid, because there is no amount of money in the world that most people would accept, knowing that they are putting a bullseye on their head.
Wiz Imp
(9,045 posts)Good point and good idea
Blue Owl
(58,206 posts)TBF
(35,727 posts)Hugin
(37,470 posts)And not Epstein independently of me. I noticed that too. I still believe the core of the two sex slavers falling out was that Epstein recognized that Trump was a loose impulsive cannon whose extreme behavior threatened the entire syndicate.
After hearing SRs account. I really dont know if I can stomach any more of the Republicans and mass media covering for the horrors that occurred and you know we only have the slightest inkling at this point.
We should no longer refer to Trump as a Pedophile. Theres no phile about him. Hes a pedocidal maniac. Homicide is to Trump as fire is to an arsonist.
vapor2
(3,821 posts)Likely DAMNING videos
ms.pamela
(78 posts)She was in tears telling me about something she saw on Bluesky concerning a young man who was victimized by trump and others. This occurred at times in Tennessee I believe. I will tell you a true story that occurred in the 1970's. A person I knew was a police officer for a city in Tennessee then. A young woman had escaped some Satanic cult that was operating in Kentucky. She feared for her life, human sacrifice was part of the horrible things that happened there and the people doing these things were high up in the government and business world. Well, this person quit being a police officer after hearing this because they were so terrified.
Gaugamela
(3,260 posts)some of the details in this document in the DOJs Epstein files: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00037900.pdf
I expect that the files also contain evidence of financial crimes, like extortion and money laundering.
corderopunch
(1 post)You can find William K. Riley's security company website, featuring many familiar names, on the Wayback Machine: www.rileykiraly.com, over the 2000's. It also provides bios for Riley and his cronies at many points that paint the picture, filling in the gaps with what has been alleged, that he was a cop in FL that was "undercover" and never really left that cover. Got in with some nasty types but also flipped on them but kept the racket going as a security company - which is a common tactic of organized crime. Maybe he did take down money laundering and drugs, maybe his team members did nab some stalkers, but he got a taste for something else along the way.
LetMyPeopleVote
(175,304 posts)Melon
(1,114 posts)The overall population just loses interest in things over time. There are the left and right but a huge population of independents plus people who voted right but are truly in the middle.
As these stories get more and more
.outrageous. Trump committing murder, trump murdering people on Epstein island. Bodies now being buried on Epstein island, the overall story further loses credibility. It gets easy to right off as crazy liberals. Would a billionaire risk everything on a woman he can never see again? How many people in an organization would have to now keep quiet for that versus just paying someone.
I believe that this stuff, the conspiracy theory stuff, just pushes the real issues further out and middle of the road people discount more of the real issues to conspiracy theories. Is it really plausible, that a billionaire and the peak of his popularity, with access to anything and already proven to readily pay people off is killing people? Are there missing woman tied to any of this? Cadaver dogs cant find a scent 20 years after something has happened. Sex trafficking amongst the ultra wealthy happens every day here and around the world not because of murder, but because there is an endless stream of younger woman willing to do things for money or a lifestyle they wouldnt have access to any other way. Dubai is full of beautiful woman from the US, Asia, and Europe. Its horrible but they arent killed, they are paid. If things go wrong they are paid more.
Trump is shit. But the number of conspiracy theories that appear fringe when we read them is a sideshow to the crimes we know have happened and there is evidence.
LuckyCharms
(21,933 posts)the right planted Riley's story.
See how that works?
Melon
(1,114 posts)Are you saying that the Riley Gaines murder didnt happen or that believing it didnt happen is a conspiracy theory?
I think the right is very good at taking something that resonates with their party and amplifying it. Right wing old people then dont let it go and keep it in the headlines.
I dont see how thats a conspiracy because it happened, its documented in fact and court reports. It was just amplified and used as a weapon.
LuckyCharms
(21,933 posts)I'm talking about Sasha Riley.
Who is Riley Gaines?
Melon
(1,114 posts)I get your point. Carry on!
LuckyCharms
(21,933 posts)A lot of people named Riley out there!
travelingthrulife
(4,482 posts)These are such broken people. Based on how GOP Congress a USSC is behaving, I am guessing they are all on the list. Maybe not for kiddie diddling but other blackmail-able crimes and money laundering. It was a full-service business.