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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:39 AM Dec 2012

Reaganomics was/is a failure

Yeah, Reagan was right: Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit. Still, Reagan's legacy of tax increases is based solely on taxing Social Security.

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Q3. Which political party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A3. The taxation of Social Security began in 1984 following passage of a set of Amendments in 1983, which were signed into law by President Reagan in April 1983. These amendments passed the Congress in 1983 on an overwhelmingly bi-partisan vote.

The basic rule put in place was that up to 50% of Social Security benefits could be added to taxable income, if the taxpayer's total income exceeded certain thresholds.

The taxation of benefits was a proposal which came from the Greenspan Commission appointed by President Reagan and chaired by Alan Greenspan (who went on to later become the Chairman of the Federal Reserve).

The full text of the Greenspan Commission report is available on our website.

President's Reagan's signing statement for the 1983 Amendments can also be found on our website.

A detailed explanation of the provisions of the 1983 law is also available on the website.

Q4. Which political party increased the taxes on Social Security annuities?

A4. In 1993, legislation was enacted which had the effect of increasing the tax put in place under the 1983 law. It raised from 50% to 85% the portion of Social Security benefits subject to taxation; but the increased percentage only applied to "higher income" beneficiaries. Beneficiaries of modest incomes might still be subject to the 50% rate, or to no taxation at all, depending on their overall taxable income.

This change in the tax rate was one provision in a massive Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (OBRA) passed that year. The OBRA 1993 legislation was deadlocked in the Senate on a tie vote of 50-50 and Vice President Al Gore cast the deciding vote in favor of passage. President Clinton signed the bill into law on August 10, 1993.

(You can find a brief historical summary of the development of taxation of Social Security benefits on the Social Security website.)

http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html



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TAX TREATMENT

Taxation of Social Security and Railroad Retirement Tier 1 Benefits

Beginning in 1984, includes in taxable income up to one-half of Social Security (and railroad retirement tier 1) benefits received by taxpayers whose incomes exceed certain base amounts. The base amounts are $25,000 for a single taxpayer, $32,000 for married taxpayers filing jointly and zero for married taxpayers filing separately. Income for purposes of figuring these base amounts includes adjusted gross income under prior law, plus nontaxable interest income, and one-half of Social Security and railroad retirement tier 1 benefits. The amount of benefits that could be included in taxable income will be the lesser of one-half of benefits or one-half of the excess of the taxpayers' combined income (AGI + one-half of benefits) over the base amount. The provision for including nontaxable interest income is intended to provide similar tax treatment of benefits received by individuals whose total incomes consist of different mixes of taxable and nontaxable income and to limit opportunities for manipulation of tax liability on benefits.

Includes in the definition of Social Security benefits for tax purposes workmen's compensation benefits to the extent they cause a reduction in Social Security and railroad retirement tier 1 disability benefits. This provision is intended to assure that these social insurance benefits, which are paid in lieu of Social Security payments, are treated similarly for purposes of taxation.

The provision applies to nonresident aliens as well as U.S. citizens. Under the Internal Revenue Code, nonresident aliens who have income from sources other than a U.S. trade or business are taxed at a flat rate of 30 percent, unless a tax treaty provides otherwise, and the taxes must be withheld at the source of payment. Thus, 30 percent of 1/2 of the Social Security benefit (15 percent of the total benefit) will be withheld from nonresident alien beneficiaries.

Provides special rules for dealing with overpayments and lump-sum retroactive benefit payments. Benefits paid to an individual in any taxable year will be reduced by any overpayments repaid during the year. Taxpayers who receive a lump-sum payment of retroactive benefits may treat the benefits as wholly payable for the year in which they receive them or may elect to attribute the benefits to the tax years in which they would have fallen had they been paid timely. No benefits for months before December 1983 would be taxable, regardless of when they are paid.

Requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Railroad Retirement Board to file annual returns with the Secretary of the Treasury setting forth the amounts of benefits paid to each individual in each calendar year, together with the name and address of the individual. Also requires furnishing of similar information to each beneficiary.

Requires that amounts equivalent to estimated quarterly proceeds from the taxation of benefits be automatically deposited in the Social Security trust funds and the railroad retirement account, as appropriate, at the beginning of each calendar quarter, subject to final adjustments based on estimates by the Secretary of the Treasury. Requires an annual report by the Secretary of the Treasury concerning the transfers under this provision.

The provision is estimated to affect about 10 percent of Social Security beneficiaries in 1984. Amounts equal to the estimated tax revenues under this provision will be automatically deposited to the OASDI trust funds. The provision increases trust fund revenues by $26.7 billion for 1983-1989 and by .62 percent of taxable payroll in the long range.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/1983amend2.html

Prior to that, Reagan enacted the largest tax cuts ever, a 20 percent drop on the top rate.

The Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 (Pub.L. 97-34), also known as the ERTA or "Kemp-Roth Tax Cut," was a federal law enacted in the United States in 1981. It was an act "to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to encourage economic growth through reductions in individual income tax rates, the expensing of depreciable property, incentives for small businesses, and incentives for savings, and for other purposes".[1] Included in the act was an across-the-board decrease in the marginal income tax rates in the U.S. by 23% over three years, with the top rate falling from 70% to 50% and the bottom rate dropping from 14% to 11%. This act slashed estate taxes and trimmed taxes paid by business corporations by $150 billion over a five-year period. Additionally the tax rates were indexed for inflation, though the indexing was delayed until 1985.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Recovery_Tax_Act_of_1981

Then there was the 1986 tax cut.

Tax Reform Act of 1986

The U.S. Congress passed the Tax Reform Act of 1986 (TRA) (Pub.L. 99-514, 100 Stat. 2085, enacted October 22, 1986) to simplify the income tax code, broaden the tax base and eliminate many tax shelters and other preferences. Referred to as the second of the two "Reagan tax cuts" (the Kemp-Roth Tax Cut of 1981 being the first), the bill was also officially sponsored by Democrats, Richard Gephardt of Missouri in the House of Representatives and Bill Bradley of New Jersey in the Senate.

The Tax Reform Act of 1986 was given impetus by a detailed tax-simplification proposal from President Reagan's Treasury Department, and was designed to be tax-revenue neutral because Reagan stated that he would veto any bill that was not. Revenue neutrality was targeted by decreasing individual tax rates, eliminating $30 billion annually in loopholes, and increasing corporate taxes.[1] The bill reduced overall revenues by 8.9 billion dollars.[2] As of 2012, the Tax Reform Act of 1986 was the most recent major simplification of the tax code, drastically reducing the number of deductions and the number of tax brackets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_1986


The effect of Reagan's tax cuts were at least partially offset by phased in Social Security payroll tax increases that had been enacted by President Jimmy Carter and the 95th Congress in 1977

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics#Tax_revenue

It's time to stop hyping Reagan.
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Reaganomics was/is a failure (Original Post) ProSense Dec 2012 OP
Reagan was the worst of the modern Presidents. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #1
at the time, i was thrilled to see tricky dick leave washington in shame. unblock Dec 2012 #2
Everything Nixon ProSense Dec 2012 #7
"everything" in his second term, perhaps; but this certainly doesn't apply to his first. unblock Dec 2012 #10
We started down ProSense Dec 2012 #4
Reaganomics did exactly what it was supposed to do: make the wealthy wealthier bemildred Dec 2012 #3
Yep Solly Mack Dec 2012 #5
Yup, increasing ProSense Dec 2012 #9
Cheaper labor too. It was a win-win for the Plutocrats. ErikJ Dec 2012 #11
Yes, time to stop "hyping" him. Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #6
At least, ProSense Dec 2012 #8
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
1. Reagan was the worst of the modern Presidents.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:06 AM
Dec 2012

But even the most criminal of modern Presidents, Richard M Nixon, knew that Social Security adjustments for inflation are the right of all beneficiaries in the program:
""I have today signed [legislation which]. . . constitutes a major breakthrough for older Americans, for it says at last that inflation-proof Social Security benefits are theirs as a matter of right...."
-- Richard M. Nixon, July 1, 1972

Repeat: "inflation-proof Social Security benefits are theirs as a matter of right...."
Even Nixon. So when we are to the right of Tricky Dick and the Watergate Crowd, it is time to check our path and our spines.

unblock

(52,241 posts)
2. at the time, i was thrilled to see tricky dick leave washington in shame.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:13 AM
Dec 2012

little did i know that he'd be the best republican president i'd see in my entire life.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
7. Everything Nixon
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:40 AM
Dec 2012

"at the time, i was thrilled to see tricky dick leave washington in shame. little did i know that he'd be the best republican president i'd see in my entire life."

http://www.ssa.gov/history/Nixon/nixontapes.html

...did was political based on the fact that his ass was about to be caught. I mean, there were the tapes about aborting biracial babies. I guess one can define that as pro choice.

Nixon was despicable.



unblock

(52,241 posts)
10. "everything" in his second term, perhaps; but this certainly doesn't apply to his first.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:18 PM
Dec 2012

yes, he was despicable, but what a better place we'd be in if we somehow had nixon instead of shrub during 2001-2009.
obviously a democrat would have been far better, but if we had to have a republican, i mean he at least created the epa as opposed to trying to destroy it....

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. We started down
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:34 AM
Dec 2012
Repeat: "inflation-proof Social Security benefits are theirs as a matter of right...."
Even Nixon. So when we are to the right of Tricky Dick and the Watergate Crowd, it is time to check our path and our spines.


...that path decades ago. Everything objectionable, from linking Social Security to the general fund to adjusting the formula, was part of the proposal by President Carter.

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While campaigning for President, I stressed my commitment to restore the financial integrity of the Social Security system. I pledged I would do my best to avoid increases above those already scheduled in tax rates, which fall most heavily on moderate and lower-income workers. I also promised to correct the technical flaw in the system which exaggerates the adjustment for inflation, and to do so without reducing the relative value of retirement benefits as compared with pre-retirement earnings.

I am announcing today a set of proposals which meet those commitments and which solve both the short-term and long-term problems in the Social Security system through the end of the twentieth century. These proposals are designed to:

--Prevent the default of the trust funds now predicted to occur.

--Bring income and expenses into balance in 1978 and keep them that way through the end of the century.

--Create sufficient reserves to protect the system against sudden declines in revenue caused by unemployment or other economic uncertainties.

--Protect the system's integrity beyond the turn of the century to the extent we can predict what will happen in the next 75 years.

--Provide for an orderly review and examination of the system's basic structure.

My proposals are the result of a number of hard choices. I am convinced that action is needed now, and that these steps will restore the financial integrity of the Social Security system.

I will ask the Congress to take the following specific actions:

1. Compensate the Social Security trust funds from general revenues for a share of revenues lost during severe recessions. General revenues would be used in a counter-cyclical fashion to replace the payroll tax receipts lost as a result of that portion of unemployment in excess of six percent. General revenues would be used only in these carefully limited situations. Because this is an innovative measure, the legislation we submit will provide this feature only through 1982. The next Social Security Advisory Council will be asked to review this counter-cyclical mechanism to determine whether it should be made permanent.

2. Remove the wage-base ceiling for employers. Under present law employers and employees pay a tax only on the first $16,500 in wages. Under this proposal the employer ceiling would be raised over a three-year period, so that by 1981 the ceiling would be removed. This action will provide a significant source of revenue without increasing long-term benefit liabilities.

3. Increase the wage base subject to the employee tax by $600 in 1979, 1981, 1983, and 1985, beyond the automatic increases in current law. This will provide a progressive source of financing.

4. Shift revenues from the Hospital Insurance Trust Fund to the Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Trust Funds. In part, this shift will be made possible because of substantial savings to the Medicare system from the hospital cost containment legislation that I have proposed.

5. Increase the tax rate on the self-employed from 7 percent to 7.5 percent. This will restore the historical relationship between the OASI and the DI rates paid by the self-employed to one and one-half times that paid by employees.

6. Correct certain technical provisions of the Social Security Act which differentiate on the basis of sex. This will include a new eligibility test for dependent benefits. Recent Supreme Court decisions would result in un-financed increases in the cost of the system and some inequities without this change.

These six steps, along with measures already contained in existing law, will eliminate the short-term financing problem and improve the overall equity of the Social Security system.

In order to guarantee the financial integrity of the system into the next century, two additional steps must be taken. I will be asking the Congress to:

1. Modify the Social Security benefit formula to eliminate the inflation over-adjustment now in law. This modification, known as "decoupling," should be done in a way that maintains the current ratio of retirement benefits to pre-retirement wages.

2. Adjust the timing of a tax rate increase already contained in current law. The one percent tax rate increase presently scheduled for the year 2011 would be moved forward so that .25 percent would occur in 1985 and the remainder in 1990.

Taken together, the actions I am recommending today will eliminate the Social Security deficit for the remainder of this century. They mill reduce the estimated 75-year deficit from the Trustee Report forecast of 8.2 percent of payroll to a manageable 1.9 percent.

Prompt enactment of the measure I have recommended will provide the Social Security system with financial stability. This is an overriding immediate objective.

In addition, I am instructing the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare to appoint the independent Social Security Advisory Council required by law to meet each four years. I will ask the Council to conduct a thorough reexamination of the structure of the system, the adequacy of its benefits, the effectiveness and equity of disability definitions, and the efficiency and responsiveness of its administration. Their report, which will be issued within the next two years, will provide the basis for further improvements.

I call upon the Congress to act favorably on these major reform initiatives.

Jimmy Carter

The White House,

May 9, 1977.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/carterstmts.html#system


Fact, the current COLA is inadequate:

Even Social Security’s current cost-of-living adjustment understates the true impact of inflation on elderly recipients, who spend far more on health care than anyone else – including annual increases in Medicare premiums.

http://robertreich.org/post/38349329185


bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Reaganomics did exactly what it was supposed to do: make the wealthy wealthier
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:33 AM
Dec 2012

and weaken the middle class, the economically independent "little people".

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
9. Yup, increasing
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:20 PM
Dec 2012

the payroll tax and taxing Social Security.

The payroll tax affected incomes up to about $38,000. The net effect was a tax increase on low- and middle-income Americans' entire income.



 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
6. Yes, time to stop "hyping" him.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:36 AM
Dec 2012

So Obama should STFU with the, "I would be an 80's republican" bullshit.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. At least,
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:42 AM
Dec 2012

"So Obama should STFU with the, 'I would be an 80's republican' bullshit."

...get the point he was making correct.

False: "Obama said he was a 'moderate Republican'"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087197

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