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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:47 PM Dec 2012

12-Year-Old Boy Shot Dead While Hunting Died ‘The Way He Would Want To’

Tragedy struck two different North Carolina families on Friday morning, as a man shot his nephew dead in a hunting accident, and another gunned down his brother in a case of mistaken identity.

A 12-year-old boy named James Lee Parker was shot and killed Friday morning in a hunting accident near Durham, North Carolina, Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison told WCTI 12 News. He was hunting with his father, uncle and step-brother.

The reporter interviewed the deceased boy’s great uncle, David Holloman, who was not present at the time of the accident. Holloman related that the accident occurred in the Falls Lake Recreation area, where the family hunting group had just killed a deer when another appeared. The uncle, Jason Matthews Harper, was trying to reload his 12-gauge shotgun when it accidentally discharged, fatally wounding his 12-year-old nephew in the chest.

The great uncle told the TV news:

[James] loved to hunt and he died that way. I believe that’s the way he would want to go if he was going to go. I guess God had plans for him and he’s up in heaven now.

This is not meant to attack the great uncle, who is no doubt grieving his family’s loss — but, still, there seems to be little comfort in thinking that a pre-teen wanted to die via a bullet wound to his chest.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/12/29/12-year-old-boy-shot-dead-while-hunting-died-the-way-he-would-want-to/

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12-Year-Old Boy Shot Dead While Hunting Died ‘The Way He Would Want To’ (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 OP
Good Christ. Yeah, I'm sure a 12 year old kid imagines himself dying TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #1
Unbelievable, isn't it? proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #2
Some guns can't be loaded with the mechanical safety on jmowreader Dec 2012 #54
Yeah that is some weird justification shit going on. Rex Dec 2012 #4
Oh for Chrissake FarPoint Dec 2012 #19
Ya...nobody wants to die in the forest Rex Dec 2012 #45
I just had a passing thought... FarPoint Dec 2012 #47
I started dove hunting at his age with my grandfather Rex Dec 2012 #48
Yeah that is beyond fucked up isn't it? Initech Dec 2012 #32
rationalization Enrique Dec 2012 #3
He did say it was Gawds will. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #11
Well, so much for Gawd's will. That boy was gonna grow up to be... RC Dec 2012 #21
d'oh! Enrique Dec 2012 #25
Reading is Fun-damental! ToxMarz Dec 2012 #34
"I guess God had plans for him and he’s up in heaven now. " proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #14
"I guess God had plans for him and he’s up in heaven now." surrealAmerican Dec 2012 #15
Are hunting death rates trending up or down? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #5
This tells me something totally different: there are too many people hunting Taverner Dec 2012 #6
The uncle shot him while reloading exboyfil Dec 2012 #39
Missed that - - Taverner Dec 2012 #42
Violate one of the Four Safety rules ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #7
That's the beauty of the rules... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #22
And the reality of the rules pnwmom Dec 2012 #35
I sure hope the kindergarten... Bigmack Dec 2012 #57
One argument I hear over and over from the pro-gun side is that they want to be able Chorophyll Dec 2012 #8
Yeah because every twelve year old wants to die from a sucking chest wound gurgling blood.... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #9
:-( Paulie Dec 2012 #63
And I suppose the family can be comforted by the Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #10
He can Politicalboi Dec 2012 #12
Every other safety rule aside Fumesucker Dec 2012 #13
If I were gonna die while out in the field, I hope its a massive MI ileus Dec 2012 #16
The most common hunting deaths I'm personally familiar with are falling out of a tree stand Fumesucker Dec 2012 #20
A good friend of mine is an orthopod... ileus Dec 2012 #30
Well, at least he wasn't shot dead by some stranger. Turbineguy Dec 2012 #17
I used to live in Bahama, just north of Durham. djean111 Dec 2012 #18
i always thought that sleeping while spending the night in the arms of a certain woman i know would dembotoz Dec 2012 #23
Good grief. nruthie Dec 2012 #24
In the face of tragedy, people soften say terrible things. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #49
Wanted to die in a hunting accident? sakabatou Dec 2012 #26
Why Exactly Was a Shotgun Pointed at Another Person? dballance Dec 2012 #27
people do stupid assed stuff when excited. ileus Dec 2012 #33
Sorry, Don't Buy It dballance Dec 2012 #37
what a piece of work, with a family like that no wonder this tragedy happened still_one Dec 2012 #28
"Praise Jesus he wasn't eaten by the Sarlacc in the Great Pit of Carkoon," said his nerdy nephew n/t Ian David Dec 2012 #29
Maybe we could cut the guy some slack. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #31
Not quite, he just killed his nephew through ignoring the single most basic rule of gun safety Fumesucker Dec 2012 #38
the quote is from the great-uncle, not the uncle who shot his nephew dead. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #41
He DID go and his young life was blown away because someone was in a hurry to kill an animal. Lint Head Dec 2012 #36
God, talk about denial and rationalization. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #40
Gun owners in the U.S. have a sick mentality. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #43
stupid is as stupid says leftyohiolib Dec 2012 #44
12 gauge? rgood Dec 2012 #46
Only the deer hunters in 10 states ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #66
The uncle had not taken the required hunting education course TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #50
the Uncle can't accept that he killed his nephew, so it must have been God's plan, right? MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #51
12-year-old boys are wired for immortality BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #52
" if he was going to go" d_r Dec 2012 #53
I wonder if the little guy knew he was going out that day with a complete doofus of an uncle.. Tikki Dec 2012 #59
Hunting deer with a 12ga shotgun?? tularetom Dec 2012 #55
They take kids away from their parents for a lot less serious malaise Dec 2012 #56
The shotgun goes off while the uncle is reloading? Ignorance of basic gun safety there. brewens Dec 2012 #58
At 12 years old? alarimer Dec 2012 #60
"...Jason Parker hadn't taken a hunting education course that's supposed to be mandatory... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #61
"Live by the sword, die by the sword", geesh no one wants to die at 12 Raine Dec 2012 #62
Personally I wouldn't want to die because somebody else was an idiot mythology Dec 2012 #64
the WAY he would want to, i suppose i can't argue with. but the WHEN he would want to.... unblock Dec 2012 #65
Really with a big hole in his chest...... Historic NY Dec 2012 #67

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
1. Good Christ. Yeah, I'm sure a 12 year old kid imagines himself dying
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:53 PM
Dec 2012

at the ripe old age of 12 with a gaping hole blown out of his chest.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
2. Unbelievable, isn't it?
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:54 PM
Dec 2012

You also have to wonder if this gun didn't have a safety. If it did, why not put it on before you load it?

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
54. Some guns can't be loaded with the mechanical safety on
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:08 PM
Dec 2012

There are two huge rules of gun safety: always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction when you are not firing, and when firing never point the muzzle at anything you are not willing to destroy. THAT safety wasn't working either; why in hell would anyone load a weapon with the muzzle pointing at another person?

FarPoint

(12,372 posts)
19. Oh for Chrissake
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:11 PM
Dec 2012

They actually said that didn't they...As if he was a soldier lost in Afghanistan!

Denial and rationalization....no responsibility.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
45. Ya...nobody wants to die in the forest
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:26 PM
Dec 2012

like that. Not on a battle field in some far away land nor in some pine forest in America. NOBODY.

I feel so sorry for the kid.

FarPoint

(12,372 posts)
47. I just had a passing thought...
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:46 PM
Dec 2012

At 12 yr. old...he was trying to measure up to his parental role models...who knows if he really wanted to hunt verses belonging and being accepted.

Sad.........so very sad.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
48. I started dove hunting at his age with my grandfather
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:49 PM
Dec 2012

and uncles. That could have been ME.

And I thank my lucky stars nothing like that happened.

NO CHILD WANTS TO DIE AT 12.

Pisses me off!!!

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
14. "I guess God had plans for him and he’s up in heaven now. "
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:02 PM
Dec 2012

Sounds like he believes it was God's will.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
15. "I guess God had plans for him and he’s up in heaven now."
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:03 PM
Dec 2012

... so yes, he basically did say it was "god's will".

The great-uncle is just spouting the same old nonsense that permeates our culture. We work so hard to keep people from feeling bad about tragedies that some folks wind up basing their world view on vapid platitudes.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
6. This tells me something totally different: there are too many people hunting
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:55 PM
Dec 2012

The parks are filled up with too many hunters - when that happens, other hunters shoot each other

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
39. The uncle shot him while reloading
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 04:57 PM
Dec 2012

Nothing about the concentration of individuals hunting, just incredible stupidity.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
42. Missed that - -
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 05:10 PM
Dec 2012

However every hunter I've talked to has always complained there were too many out there,,,

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
7. Violate one of the Four Safety rules
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:57 PM
Dec 2012

and you will scare folks. Violate two or more and someone will probably be killed.

 

Coyote_Tan

(194 posts)
22. That's the beauty of the rules...
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:20 PM
Dec 2012

It is physically impossible to accudentally kill someone accidentally if they are followed.

All guns are always loaded.

Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.

Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.

Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
35. And the reality of the rules
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:45 PM
Dec 2012

is that ALL human beings make mistakes. And when a mistake is made with a loaded gun, people can get accidentally killed.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
57. I sure hope the kindergarten...
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:10 PM
Dec 2012

.. teachers can remember all that when a couple of monsters come into their school/classroom.

Especially that last one.

Our Gunny taught us "Friendly fire.... ain't!"

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
8. One argument I hear over and over from the pro-gun side is that they want to be able
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:57 PM
Dec 2012

to hunt. And I don't think anyone (much) wants to deny them that right. But people keep proving over and over again that they're just incapable of not fucking up.

"God had plans for him." Yeah, God probably did. Took the uncle's gun to mess that up.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,328 posts)
9. Yeah because every twelve year old wants to die from a sucking chest wound gurgling blood....
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:58 PM
Dec 2012

... crying for his mother.

Arkansas Granny

(31,517 posts)
10. And I suppose the family can be comforted by the
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:59 PM
Dec 2012

thought that god had "plans" for him. Does that make the uncle and his gun instruments of god?
That mindset just baffles me.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
13. Every other safety rule aside
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:00 PM
Dec 2012

The shotgun should never have been pointed at a human being, period.

RIP James Lee Parker

ileus

(15,396 posts)
16. If I were gonna die while out in the field, I hope its a massive MI
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:05 PM
Dec 2012

Sad news....family hunting trips of my youth are some of the biggest events I remember as a kid.


T&P's for the family dealing with a hunting accident like this.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
20. The most common hunting deaths I'm personally familiar with are falling out of a tree stand
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:12 PM
Dec 2012

I can think of two people in my extended circle of acquaintances that have fallen out of tree stands and eventually died from pneumonia after becoming quadriplegic.

I can't think of anyone that has died from shooting accident while hunting though.

Turbineguy

(37,331 posts)
17. Well, at least he wasn't shot dead by some stranger.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:09 PM
Dec 2012

After all, who wouldn't want to be shot dead by a relative?

It's terrible.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
18. I used to live in Bahama, just north of Durham.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:10 PM
Dec 2012

Neighborhood of houses set back in the woods, off a gravel road, 2+ acre lots, couldn't see homes from the road.
My next door neighbor told me I should probably skip sitting out on the deck in the back during hunting season.
Because even though everything around was posted, I could still get killed by a high-powered-rifle-totin' hunter, and all hunting deaths are pretty much deemed accidental. Evidently I would have been fair game.

Now I live in Florida, and I just need to stay out of bars. And movies. And anywhere else someone might be carrying a gun and get pissed off or feel "threatened".

dembotoz

(16,805 posts)
23. i always thought that sleeping while spending the night in the arms of a certain woman i know would
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:21 PM
Dec 2012

be an ok way to go

much better than having my chest blown up.

just me


would think a lot of 12 year olds would agree although i am much much older

nruthie

(466 posts)
24. Good grief.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:22 PM
Dec 2012

I'm fairly sure that God had nothing to do with this poor kid getting shot. To say that it's God's will absolves the shooter of any blame it seems. The kid died because of a stupid accident. Period.

Thats my opinion

(2,001 posts)
49. In the face of tragedy, people soften say terrible things.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:54 PM
Dec 2012

As a pastor, I have heard them. I remember someone saying txo a mother of a child who had just died, "I guess God needed him more than we did."

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
27. Why Exactly Was a Shotgun Pointed at Another Person?
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:27 PM
Dec 2012

Okay, so it was accidentally fired. I can understand that. But why on earth was the barrel of a gun pointed anywhere near another person?

As I have posted many times here on DU I grew up on a farm with shotguns and rifles. My dad would chastise us mightily if we ever let the barrel of a gun point at another person. It was really basic gun safety he taught us. And he also taught us to never assume the gun was not loaded. So all those idiot accidents where people shoot themselves or others because they didn't think the gun was loaded or there was a round in the chamber should not happen.

Thank goodness I had such an intelligent father who taught me such respect and proper handling of deadly weapons.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
33. people do stupid assed stuff when excited.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:35 PM
Dec 2012

hunting is no different...

I imagine in the hast to get the shotgun back into action before the animal "got away" the uncle ended up with tunnel vision. Or the youth could have stepped in the line of fire last moment. More details are needed that's for sure.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
37. Sorry, Don't Buy It
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:51 PM
Dec 2012

I've hunted with shotguns and rifles. Accompanied by my brother and father. One is perfectly capable of NOT pulling the trigger. If you're in such close quarters that it might be possible that someone could step in front of you at the last moment then you are not hunting safely.

NEVER when I was hunting was it more important to get the shotgun back in action to kill an animal before it "got away" than it was more important to make sure you didn't shoot your hunting companions. Of course I'm not Scalia so perhaps I have a higher threshold for safety.

It's not like we had to kill the animals or starve.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
38. Not quite, he just killed his nephew through ignoring the single most basic rule of gun safety
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:57 PM
Dec 2012

I had a rifle pointed at me a few weeks ago by a hunter, it was only briefly and entirely thoughtless but I have no idea the state of the weapon and it gave me the major heebie jeebies.

Then I read about something like this and it makes me realize how it happens, people aren't paying attention to where the gun is pointed.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
36. He DID go and his young life was blown away because someone was in a hurry to kill an animal.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:50 PM
Dec 2012

Let's see. I've heard hunting teaches the young values. Wonder what this young child learned?

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
66. Only the deer hunters in 10 states .....
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:09 PM
Dec 2012

Probably a couple hundred thousand.

Ten states mandate “shotgun only” during the firearm season. These states are inclusive of Illinois, Iowa, Ohio, Indiana, Maryland, New Jersey, Massachuetts, Delaware, Maine, and Rhode Island. Three states impose “shotgun only” restrictions on firearm hunters in designated areas. These include Minnesota, Michigan, and Virginia. Roughly, 25% of all states impose “shotgun only” restrictions. This minority has produced the majority of all BTR entries.


http://www.imbmonsterbucks.com/info.php?id=60

Google is your friend ...

TexasBushwhacker

(20,190 posts)
50. The uncle had not taken the required hunting education course
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:55 PM
Dec 2012

and acquired his hunting license improperly. Hopefully the authorities will bring charges and won't just write this off as a tragic accident.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
53. " if he was going to go"
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:05 PM
Dec 2012

Good Lord people he isn't saying the boy wanted to die, he said "IF HE HAD TO GO"

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
59. I wonder if the little guy knew he was going out that day with a complete doofus of an uncle..
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:11 PM
Dec 2012

Maybe the little guy didn't have a choice...maybe he 'had to go'.



Tikki

malaise

(269,004 posts)
56. They take kids away from their parents for a lot less serious
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:10 PM
Dec 2012

situations where kids are deemed to be in danger.

brewens

(13,588 posts)
58. The shotgun goes off while the uncle is reloading? Ignorance of basic gun safety there.
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:10 PM
Dec 2012

There is no way the shotgun should have been pointed at the kid. Even at 12, I would have moved away from in front of the barrel and told anyone not to point that at me. You can't blame the kid but we all used to be taught that where I'm from. Of course the NRA isn't concerned about pushing gun safety like they used to.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
60. At 12 years old?
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:11 PM
Dec 2012

That uncle is an idiot.

Someone needs to be held responsible for his death. It's not an accident; it is negligence at the very least on the part of the shooter. Manslaughter charges need to be filed on the uncle whose gun went off.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
61. "...Jason Parker hadn't taken a hunting education course that's supposed to be mandatory...
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:22 PM
Dec 2012

to get a hunting license. Wildlife officers planned to discuss the case with prosecutors before deciding whether to press charges."

UPDATE: Officials To Discuss With Prosecutors Whether To Press Charges In Hunting Death
http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/Tarboro-12-Year-Old-Killed-In-Hunting-Accident-185058431.html

Ah, yes, "responsible" gun owners.

Rest in peace, sweet little James Lee.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
64. Personally I wouldn't want to die because somebody else was an idiot
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 07:43 PM
Dec 2012

I have never owned a gun, but even I know that you never point a gun at somebody you aren't intending to kill.

unblock

(52,230 posts)
65. the WAY he would want to, i suppose i can't argue with. but the WHEN he would want to....
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:01 PM
Dec 2012

hunting accident after having lived another, say 60 years or so, perhaps.

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