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Tragedy struck two different North Carolina families on Friday morning, as a man shot his nephew dead in a hunting accident, and another gunned down his brother in a case of mistaken identity.
A 12-year-old boy named James Lee Parker was shot and killed Friday morning in a hunting accident near Durham, North Carolina, Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison told WCTI 12 News. He was hunting with his father, uncle and step-brother.
The reporter interviewed the deceased boys great uncle, David Holloman, who was not present at the time of the accident. Holloman related that the accident occurred in the Falls Lake Recreation area, where the family hunting group had just killed a deer when another appeared. The uncle, Jason Matthews Harper, was trying to reload his 12-gauge shotgun when it accidentally discharged, fatally wounding his 12-year-old nephew in the chest.
The great uncle told the TV news:
[James] loved to hunt and he died that way. I believe thats the way he would want to go if he was going to go. I guess God had plans for him and hes up in heaven now.
This is not meant to attack the great uncle, who is no doubt grieving his familys loss but, still, there seems to be little comfort in thinking that a pre-teen wanted to die via a bullet wound to his chest.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/12/29/12-year-old-boy-shot-dead-while-hunting-died-the-way-he-would-want-to/
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)at the ripe old age of 12 with a gaping hole blown out of his chest.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)You also have to wonder if this gun didn't have a safety. If it did, why not put it on before you load it?
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)There are two huge rules of gun safety: always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction when you are not firing, and when firing never point the muzzle at anything you are not willing to destroy. THAT safety wasn't working either; why in hell would anyone load a weapon with the muzzle pointing at another person?
Rex
(65,616 posts)That said, RIP young man.
FarPoint
(12,372 posts)They actually said that didn't they...As if he was a soldier lost in Afghanistan!
Denial and rationalization....no responsibility.
Rex
(65,616 posts)like that. Not on a battle field in some far away land nor in some pine forest in America. NOBODY.
I feel so sorry for the kid.
FarPoint
(12,372 posts)At 12 yr. old...he was trying to measure up to his parental role models...who knows if he really wanted to hunt verses belonging and being accepted.
Sad.........so very sad.
Rex
(65,616 posts)and uncles. That could have been ME.
And I thank my lucky stars nothing like that happened.
NO CHILD WANTS TO DIE AT 12.
Pisses me off!!!
Initech
(100,076 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)let's just be thankful they didn't say it was God's will.
Care Acutely
(1,370 posts)Read again.
RC
(25,592 posts)We'll never know.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)spoke too soon
ToxMarz
(2,167 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Sounds like he believes it was God's will.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)... so yes, he basically did say it was "god's will".
The great-uncle is just spouting the same old nonsense that permeates our culture. We work so hard to keep people from feeling bad about tragedies that some folks wind up basing their world view on vapid platitudes.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Taverner
(55,476 posts)The parks are filled up with too many hunters - when that happens, other hunters shoot each other
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Nothing about the concentration of individuals hunting, just incredible stupidity.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)However every hunter I've talked to has always complained there were too many out there,,,
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)and you will scare folks. Violate two or more and someone will probably be killed.
Coyote_Tan
(194 posts)It is physically impossible to accudentally kill someone accidentally if they are followed.
All guns are always loaded.
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)is that ALL human beings make mistakes. And when a mistake is made with a loaded gun, people can get accidentally killed.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts).. teachers can remember all that when a couple of monsters come into their school/classroom.
Especially that last one.
Our Gunny taught us "Friendly fire.... ain't!"
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)to hunt. And I don't think anyone (much) wants to deny them that right. But people keep proving over and over again that they're just incapable of not fucking up.
"God had plans for him." Yeah, God probably did. Took the uncle's gun to mess that up.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)... crying for his mother.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,517 posts)thought that god had "plans" for him. Does that make the uncle and his gun instruments of god?
That mindset just baffles me.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Hunt for god.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The shotgun should never have been pointed at a human being, period.
RIP James Lee Parker
ileus
(15,396 posts)Sad news....family hunting trips of my youth are some of the biggest events I remember as a kid.
T&P's for the family dealing with a hunting accident like this.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I can think of two people in my extended circle of acquaintances that have fallen out of tree stands and eventually died from pneumonia after becoming quadriplegic.
I can't think of anyone that has died from shooting accident while hunting though.
ileus
(15,396 posts)He says ATVs and Treestands keep him in business.
http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-frederick-morgan-ym4jx
Turbineguy
(37,331 posts)After all, who wouldn't want to be shot dead by a relative?
It's terrible.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Neighborhood of houses set back in the woods, off a gravel road, 2+ acre lots, couldn't see homes from the road.
My next door neighbor told me I should probably skip sitting out on the deck in the back during hunting season.
Because even though everything around was posted, I could still get killed by a high-powered-rifle-totin' hunter, and all hunting deaths are pretty much deemed accidental. Evidently I would have been fair game.
Now I live in Florida, and I just need to stay out of bars. And movies. And anywhere else someone might be carrying a gun and get pissed off or feel "threatened".
dembotoz
(16,805 posts)be an ok way to go
much better than having my chest blown up.
just me
would think a lot of 12 year olds would agree although i am much much older
nruthie
(466 posts)I'm fairly sure that God had nothing to do with this poor kid getting shot. To say that it's God's will absolves the shooter of any blame it seems. The kid died because of a stupid accident. Period.
Thats my opinion
(2,001 posts)As a pastor, I have heard them. I remember someone saying txo a mother of a child who had just died, "I guess God needed him more than we did."
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)WTF?!
dballance
(5,756 posts)Okay, so it was accidentally fired. I can understand that. But why on earth was the barrel of a gun pointed anywhere near another person?
As I have posted many times here on DU I grew up on a farm with shotguns and rifles. My dad would chastise us mightily if we ever let the barrel of a gun point at another person. It was really basic gun safety he taught us. And he also taught us to never assume the gun was not loaded. So all those idiot accidents where people shoot themselves or others because they didn't think the gun was loaded or there was a round in the chamber should not happen.
Thank goodness I had such an intelligent father who taught me such respect and proper handling of deadly weapons.
ileus
(15,396 posts)hunting is no different...
I imagine in the hast to get the shotgun back into action before the animal "got away" the uncle ended up with tunnel vision. Or the youth could have stepped in the line of fire last moment. More details are needed that's for sure.
dballance
(5,756 posts)I've hunted with shotguns and rifles. Accompanied by my brother and father. One is perfectly capable of NOT pulling the trigger. If you're in such close quarters that it might be possible that someone could step in front of you at the last moment then you are not hunting safely.
NEVER when I was hunting was it more important to get the shotgun back in action to kill an animal before it "got away" than it was more important to make sure you didn't shoot your hunting companions. Of course I'm not Scalia so perhaps I have a higher threshold for safety.
It's not like we had to kill the animals or starve.
still_one
(92,190 posts)Ian David
(69,059 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)His nephew just got killed and he's trying to make sense of it.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I had a rifle pointed at me a few weeks ago by a hunter, it was only briefly and entirely thoughtless but I have no idea the state of the weapon and it gave me the major heebie jeebies.
Then I read about something like this and it makes me realize how it happens, people aren't paying attention to where the gun is pointed.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Let's see. I've heard hunting teaches the young values. Wonder what this young child learned?
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)That's just sick.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)rgood
(2 posts)Seriously? Who uses a 12 gauge shotgun to hunt deer?
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)Probably a couple hundred thousand.
http://www.imbmonsterbucks.com/info.php?id=60
Google is your friend ...
TexasBushwhacker
(20,190 posts)and acquired his hunting license improperly. Hopefully the authorities will bring charges and won't just write this off as a tragic accident.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Death is the farthest thing from their minds.
d_r
(6,907 posts)Good Lord people he isn't saying the boy wanted to die, he said "IF HE HAD TO GO"
Tikki
(14,557 posts)Maybe the little guy didn't have a choice...maybe he 'had to go'.
Tikki
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Poor kid must have caught a slug in the chest.
malaise
(269,004 posts)situations where kids are deemed to be in danger.
brewens
(13,588 posts)There is no way the shotgun should have been pointed at the kid. Even at 12, I would have moved away from in front of the barrel and told anyone not to point that at me. You can't blame the kid but we all used to be taught that where I'm from. Of course the NRA isn't concerned about pushing gun safety like they used to.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)That uncle is an idiot.
Someone needs to be held responsible for his death. It's not an accident; it is negligence at the very least on the part of the shooter. Manslaughter charges need to be filed on the uncle whose gun went off.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)to get a hunting license. Wildlife officers planned to discuss the case with prosecutors before deciding whether to press charges."
UPDATE: Officials To Discuss With Prosecutors Whether To Press Charges In Hunting Death
http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/Tarboro-12-Year-Old-Killed-In-Hunting-Accident-185058431.html
Ah, yes, "responsible" gun owners.
Rest in peace, sweet little James Lee.
Raine
(30,540 posts)no matter what the method!
mythology
(9,527 posts)I have never owned a gun, but even I know that you never point a gun at somebody you aren't intending to kill.
unblock
(52,230 posts)hunting accident after having lived another, say 60 years or so, perhaps.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)another nit wit with a gun, that thinks he knows all about it.